Slaughter ban prompts livestock prices to nosedive

[Samudra Manthan]

so you are manvan.

No, I am not. He posted a good post today which I agree with. More and more people with ideas like him will join in.

Then why do Farmers commit suicide?

That is only confined to the Vidharba region and majority of it has nothing to do with farming. It is debt for other purposes that has been the bane. I cannot post the link here since this is my new ID.

so you are manvan.

By the way, why is it so important to you that every nationalist should be termed as Manvan? I thought that was a disease confined to Levina and some Chrislamists here.

 

[gslv]

By the way, why is it so important to you that every nationalist should be termed as Manvan? I thought that was a disease confined to Levina and some Chrislamists here.

just asking.no prejudice here.you name sounds just like his other usernames thats why.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

And being living beings, they need food too and in case of getting sick, some treatment. If the animal is old, not producing milk, and market price is low, it is nothing but a burden. What the farmers will do? selling them to Hindutvadi Gao shalas owners, who will buy those animals from the poor farmers at dirt cheap price. Who will lose? the poor farmer.

No Sir, its seems like Indian cows dont need anything to survive. Poor farmers just let them off to street, when they are not productive. There they eat on trash and come in close contact with street dogs & pigs. Suffer from Bovine TB, thats their fate.

 

[syedali73]

No Sir, its seems like Indian cows dont need anything to survive. Poor farmers just let them off to street, when they are not productive. There they eat on trash and come in close contact with street dogs & pigs. Suffer from Bovine TB, thats their fate.

Very humane indeed.

 

[MarkusS]

what a crazy country that has so much real problems and starving people but cares for cows.

 

[Samudra Manthan]

No Sir, its seems like Indian cows dont need anything to survive. Poor farmers just let them off to street, when they are not productive. There they eat on trash and come in close contact with street dogs & pigs. Suffer from Bovine TB, thats their fate.

First of, India is not a desert. There is enough grass, weeds, and herbs all over the country growing wild. So in the countryside there is plenty to feed on. It is only in cities that some people let it off and then the cows feed on trash. Here too people generally feed it. A lot of cows have habit of going from door to door getting something or other to eat. Sure like all creatures born on Earth, even they may contract some diseases, but to say it is their fate is stretching the point too much.

 

[Faiez]

Yes, sir I have been to villages. Very few farmers sell their cattle and the primary purpose of buying a cattle is not for selling it, but using it. Our villagers except a few are not so hard up either. Plus the govt extends all kind of agriculture loans at almost 0% interest. So pls do not spend sleepless nights worrying about our farmers.

The standard procedure would be :

-buy cow
-use cow
-when useful life is over, sell cow

With this slaughter ban, selling cow gives lesser money due to price of useless cow dropping, because of it's uselessness (can no longer slaughter).

Farmers' profits will fall. Investment in new cows will be reduced (should result in drop in new cow prices as well due to low demand but that depends on price elasticity of milk).

There are some idiots here saying that the drop in new cow prices is a good thing, because now poor people can buy them. Yes they can buy the cow, can they afford to operate the cow now that the residual value of the cow has fallen drastically ?

Let me explain further. Say brand new cow used to sell for 50,000 and gave 5 yrs of use. Useless cow sold for 30,000. So if I buy a cow today for 50k and use it for 5yrs and sell it for 30k, I have consumed 20k worth of cow. This is my cow cost which will be divided over every litre of milk that it produced. Now say useless cow price has suddenly dropped to 25k. Now I will be consuming 25k worth of cow. Now this 25k will be divided by all the litres of milk it produced and added to the price of milk.

End result, milk prices will rise.

Unless they can find a use for the now-useless cow (slaughter ban), India will face higher milk prices, maybe even acute milk shortages(if they try controlling milk prices)...The entire dairy industry could get messed up.

Let me further simplify if there's someone who still doesn't understand. Revenues from a cow come from two sources, milk and meat. They've put a complete ban on one major source. Now all of the burden is on milk. Subsequently, milk prices will have to be raised in order to compensate for revenues lost due to slaughter ban.

 

[SpArK]

But problem is the expense for feeding these unproductive items still remain high.Without any income how can they feed these poor old animals that is not even good for agri business.If govt has any plan to take the responsibility of these poor animals it will be Ok.

Otherwise I am fearing this will backfire in big time .

@SpArK.

The practical solution is shifting to buffaloes, but they are much expensive than cows to purchase and maintain.

 

[Mitro]

unfortunately they i mean cow or bull will be of no value so will be abundant and farmer will lose money and won't be able to buy young animal .
India is full of stray dog and pig now we will have cow and bull roaming around and seems we are going back ward .
animal will be suffering for long time and good protein source will be wasted and farmer is going to lose and unemployment for butcher.
Lost lost for all or people who wants save these animal please remove money and help buy them and please take care of them if you really care.

 

[Samudra Manthan]

The standard procedure would be :

-buy cow
-use cow
-when useful life is over, sell cow

With this slaughter ban, selling cow gives lesser money due to price of useless cow dropping, because of it's uselessness (can no longer slaughter).

Farmers' profits will fall. Investment in new cows will be reduced (should result in drop in new cow prices as well due to low demand).

There are some idiots here saying that the drop in new cow prices is a good thing, because now poor people can buy them. Yes they can buy the cow, can they afford to operate the cow now that the residual value of the cow has fallen drastically ?

Let me explain further. Say brand new cow used to sell for 50,000 and gave 5 yrs of use. Useless cow sold for 30,000. So if I buy a cow today for 50k and use it for 5yrs and sell it for 30k, I have consumed 20k worth of cow. This is my cow cost which will be divided over every litre of milk that it produced. Now say useless cow price has suddenly dropped to 25k. Now I will be consuming 25k worth of cow. Now this 25k will be divided by all the litres of milk it produced and added to the price of milk.

End result, milk prices will rise.

Unless they can find a use for the now-useless cow (slaughter ban), India will face higher milk prices.

First or all. All farmers of India are against cow killing. The hinterland is mostly Hindutva and that is where majority of the cows are. Have you seen farmers protesting against the ban? None so far, except some fringe political outfits with less than a dozen members.

Having got that way out, India has been in the business of agriculture from the time agriculture was invented. They never felt the need to monetize their cows by their selling it for its flesh.

You are making it out as if, if the farmer cannot sell his cows he will die of starvation. Things are not so bad for the farmer in India.

Also there is almost nil operating cost of managing an old cow as they feed off basically on agricultural refuse and road side vegetation.

Plus it was only the bulls which were going for slaughter. Cows were banned from slaughter already. So do not see how that is going to affect milk prices in India. Milk is much cheaper in India than Pakistan where they eat up all their cows.

 

[SrNair]

what a crazy country that has so much real problems and starving people but cares for cows.

Go and find some funds for Berlusconi .
After all you are a genius in that art

It seems you are quite right.The decision was far short sighted without any preparations.Farmers would be the most vulnerable due to this decision.

The practical solution is shifting to buffaloes, but they are much expensive than cows to purchase and maintain.

 

[MarkusS]

Go and find some funds for Berlusconi .
After all you are a genius in that art

It seems you are quite right.The decision was far short sighted without any preparations.Farmers would be the most vulnerable due to this decision.

I don´t need to find funds for Berlusconi. In case you didn´t know i´m member of the youth department of his party.

 

[Faiez]

First or all. All farmers of India are against cow killing. The hinterland is mostly Hindutva and that is where majority of the cows are. Have you seen farmers protesting against the ban? None so far, except some fringe political outfits with less than a dozen members.

Having got that way out, India has been in the business of agriculture from the time agriculture was invented. They never felt the need to monetize their cows by their selling it for its flesh.

You are making it out as if, if the farmer cannot sell his cows he will die of starvation. Things are not so bad for the farmer in India.

Also there is almost nil operating cost of managing an old cow as they feed off basically on agricultural refuse and road side vegetation.

Plus it was only the bulls which were going for slaughter. Cows were banned from slaughter already. So do not see how that is going to affect milk prices in India. Milk is much cheaper in India than Pakistan where they eat up all their cows.

He'll just get poorer, that's all.

It's not about operating cost... When I buy a cow for 50k, I expect to recover that 50k and some profit from that cow. Previously I could sell it for a certain price, now that price has gone down, meaning either I loose profits or will have to raise milk prices.

Hope you understand now...

 

[SrNair]

Excellent .So much for his party or perhaps he might found someone that has his own legacy and character

I don´t need to find funds for Berlusconi. In case you didn´t know i´m member of the youth department of his party.

 

[Samudra Manthan]

He'll just get poorer, that's all.

It's not about operating cost... When I buy a cow for 50k, I expect to recover that 50k and some profit from that cow. Previously I could sell it for a certain price, now that price has gone down, meaning either I loose profits or will have to raise milk prices.

Hope you understand now...

A cow pays back more than 50 K over its lifetime. That is the reason it is brought in the first place. The farmer in India is certainly not looking at killing the animal. The lowest milk production happens in the states where cattle is killed. The highest milk production in areas they are not killed. Plus it is the chemical fertilizers which have been turning the soil unproductive everywhere. So going back to organic farming is being encouraged. The cow provides dung until the day it dies. Getting the countryside soil to be naturally productive again is worth much much more than the 5 k loss you are lamenting about.