Since Earliest Historical Times Hinduism Was Never Popular in Pakistan

[oFFbEAT]

Please read post 309.

The scholars may not be sure of the religion of the people of IVC but it has been proved beyond any doubt that they were neither Vedic nor Hindu...

The only religion that the IVC people had similarities with is Hinduism....
BBC - Primary History - Indus Valley - The end of the Indus

No temples have been found in any IVC site. No idles have been found...

Actually idols/seals were found....note the meditative/yogic posture, trademark of Hinduism.....

The people buried their dead whereas Hindus cremate them...

Wrong, Hindus bury their dead too in case of children.....

They ate meat etc and Hindus do not....

Hindus don't eat meat?....who told you....

 

[Nassr]

I think you've never been to India. Only the high caste populations cremate their dead. There's a cemetery just 2kms from my place where the buried are all Hindus. And non-veg food?! Dude, MOST Indians eat non-veg food.( I eat non-veg and I am a Brahmin by birth)

I have been to India many many times. Only children and people with certain deceases and a certain cast of Hindus bury their dead. The rest cremate their dead - high cast or low cast notwithstanding.

 

[Indischer]

We now know that the problem of Meluhha's location has been solved. What I posted the reference was for identification of a Meluhha Kingdom as mentioned by an Egyptian King around 700-600 BC in Palestine. You asked for the proof. The horse and chariots were not found in the IVC times which was 3300-1900 BC and this reference is of 700-600 BC. The reason was to inform you that the IVC people migrated to Mesopotamia in large number and then further moved to Palestine.

Firstly, it is still speculated, not proven, that Meluhha was actually the IVC.

Secondly, how did you arrive at this inference that since an army contingent of Meluhha had marched into Assyria, all the Meluhhans had also migrated en masse to Assyria? The source you cite makes no such inferences either!

 

[oFFbEAT]

I have been to India many many times. Only children and people with certain deceases and a certain cast of Hindus bury their dead. The rest cremate their dead - high cast or low cast notwithstanding.

Then you too know that in some cases Hindus bury their dead too, then how come finding buried people in IVC negate its relationship with Hinduism....

 

[Indischer]

I have been to India many many times. Only children and people with certain deceases and a certain cast of Hindus bury their dead. The rest cremate their dead - high cast or low cast notwithstanding.

So, having been in India most of my life and having seen what I've seen is all wrong then! Thanks for clarifying that to me. I think I'll also stop eating non-veg since you've said we don't eat meat.

 

[Nassr]

The only religion that the IVC people had similarities with is Hinduism....
BBC - Primary History - Indus Valley - The end of the Indus



Actually idols/seals were found....note the meditative/yogic posture, trademark of Hinduism.....

Wrong, Hindus bury their dead too in case of children.....

Hindus don't eat meat?....who told you....

Because you copy something that existed thousands of years earlier and use it today does not mean that the people who lived thousands of years earlier also used it for the same purpose.

Yeah sure many Hindus do eat meat. A friend of mine eat meat in a hotel and would beg me not to tell his wife. Alas these Hindus did not exist in the ancient times.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

Large Majority i.e 55% of Pakistan comprises of Punjabis, who have been grouped near the Indian Brahmins in your pic. A further 7% are Muhajirs who have a proven record of having migrated to Pakistan from India. The Sindhis are very close to Gujaratis genetically. So, how exactly is the "vast majority" of Pakistan having a different admixture from India? I guess you haven't even bothered to open the links that I sent you.

I think you've misunderstood the picture and hastily posted it here just because it showed a dot as Pakistan some distance away from India. Mistakes happen, we're only human.

Pakistani punjabis only share genetic similarity with Indian Punjabis who make 2% Indian population. Go there and get tested harappa.org, you being south indian have 70% ASI genes while punjabis average around 30%.

First learn about South Asian genetic diversity then talk harappa.org.

 

[Nassr]

Then you too know that in some cases Hindus bury their dead too, then how come finding buried people in IVC negate its relationship with Hinduism....

The dead found at Harappa and Mehenjodaro were not diseased and were not children.

So, having been in India most of my life and having seen what I've seen is all wrong then! Thanks for clarifying that to me. I think I'll also stop eating non-veg since you've said we don't eat meat.

OK.

Firstly, it is still speculated, not proven, that Meluhha was actually the IVC.

Secondly, how did you arrive at this inference that since an army contingent of Meluhha had marched into Assyria, all the Meluhhans had also migrated en masse to Assyria? The source you cite makes no such inferences either!

It also mentions a Meluhha Kingdom in Palestine which was defeated by the Egyptian King. Like I said, you need to go and see an eye specialist.

 

[oFFbEAT]

Because you copy something that existed thousands of years earlier and use it today does not mean that the people who lived thousands of years earlier also used it for the same purpose..

LOL, when you cannot come up with any logical argument, you come up with BS.
According to your logic, Islam is copied from Christianity then.....your prophet stole ideas from other existing religions....and passed it as his own......afterall, there are many similarities between Christianity and Islam.....and since Christianity came first, the only possibility is that Islamic ideas are stolen from it.....

Yeah sure many Hindus do eat meat. A friend of mine eat meat in a hotel and would beg me not to tell his wife. Alas these Hindus did not exist in the ancient times.

You have no idea about what you're saying......
Hindus don't eat cow but they do eat other animals like goat, lamb etc......infact it is a ritual(even practiced today) to sacrifice goats in temples and serve it as offering....

 

[Indischer]

Because you copy something that existed thousands of years earlier and use it today does not mean that the people who lived thousands of years earlier also used it for the same purpose.

Yeah sure many Hindus do eat meat. A friend of mine eat meat in a hotel and would beg me not to tell his wife. Alas these Hindus did not exist in the ancient times.

Why do you think the Cow had to be made sacred? It was to prevent the earliest Hindus from consuming them during periods of droughts. There are plenty of references to animal sacrifices and consumption of meat in the Sanskrit texts and literature.

There is no evidence that Brahmanism, the main religion during the Buddha’s time, taught vegetarianism. Vedic sacrifices in which animals were slaughtered were still being practiced and are frequently mentioned in the Tipitaka (e.g. Anguttara Nikaya I,66; II,42; IV,41). However, the Vinaya mentions what were called maghata, certain days of the month when animals were not slaughtered and meat was not available in the markets (Vinaya I,217). The Jataka also mentions maghata and adds that they would be announced by the beat of a drum (Jataka IV,115)
-From TO EAT OR NOT TO EAT MEAT, A BUDDHIST REFLECTIONS. BUDDHA DHAMMA MANDALA SOCIETY 2010.

Pakistani punjabis only share genetic similarity with Indian Punjabis who make 2% Indian population. Go there and get tested harappa.org, you being south indian have 70% ASI genes while punjabis average around 30%.

First learn about South Asian genetic diversity then talk harappa.org.

Please don't teach me about my own genes. My maternal uncle is proof enough of my genes. And don't try to flip on my question. reread it and then get back to me if you have any valid answers.

 

[Nassr]

Why do you think the Cow had to be made sacred? It was to prevent the earliest Hindus from consuming them during periods of droughts. There are plenty of references to animal sacrifices and consumption of meat in the Sanskrit texts and literature.

There is no evidence that Brahmanism, the main religion during the Buddha’s time, taught vegetarianism. Vedic sacrifices in which animals were slaughtered were still being practiced and are frequently mentioned in the Tipitaka (e.g. Anguttara Nikaya I,66; II,42; IV,41). However, the Vinaya mentions what were called maghata, certain days of the month when animals were not slaughtered and meat was not available in the markets (Vinaya I,217). The Jataka also mentions maghata and adds that they would be announced by the beat of a drum (Jataka IV,115)
-From TO EAT OR NOT TO EAT MEAT, A BUDDHIST REFLECTIONS. BUDDHA DHAMMA MANDALA SOCIETY 2010.



Please don't teach me about my own genes. My maternal uncle is proof enough of my genes. And don't try to flip on my question. reread it and then get back to me if you have any valid answers.

I wonder why is so much hoohaa about cow slaughter in India these days then?

 

[Indischer]

The dead found at Harappa and Mehenjodaro were not deceased and were not children.

It also mentions a Meluhha Kingdom in Palestine which was defeated by the Egyptian King. Like I said, you need to go and see an eye specialist.

Then it is further proof that the Meluhha of Sargon II's inscription is not referring to the IVC. No proof of any IVC settlement has been found in Palestine, has it? Or is that the source of your assertion that Pakistan's genes are somehow different from India's?

 

[Nassr]

Then it is further proof that the Meluhha of Sargon II's inscription is not referring to the IVC. No proof of any IVC settlement has been found in Palestine, has it? Or is that the source of your assertion that Pakistan's genes are somehow different from India's?

There have been many IVC artifacts that have been found in Egypt. Meluhha also traded with the Egyptians. And the reference that I posted states clearly that there was a Meluhha Kingdom in Palestine.

 

[Indischer]

I wonder why is so much hoohaa about cow slaughter in India these days then?

I too, actually. But that's the thing about making something taboo in Religion. It then becomes unshakeable sometimes. Even though pigs are reared hygienically in farms these days, no practicing Muslim eats pork even then for the very reason.

There have been many IVC artifacts that have been found in Egypt. Meluhha also traded with the Egyptians.

There have been Roman coins found in Kerala. Doesn't mean there was a Roman kingdom or settlement there. And you answered yourself that IVC traded with Mesopotamia and Egypt. How is it then that other than traded artifacts, no IVC settlement has been discovered in Egypt and Palestine?

 

[Nassr]

I too, actually. But that's the thing about making something taboo in Religion. It then becomes unshakeable sometimes. Even though pigs are reared hygienically in farms these days, no practicing Muslim eats pork even then for the very reason.



There have been Roman coins found in Kerala. Doesn't mean there was a Roman kingdom or settlement there. And you answered yourself that IVC traded with Mesopotamia and Egypt. How is it then that other than traded artifacts, no IVC settlement has been discovered in Egypt and Palestine?

Not eating pork by Muslims have other reasons too.