Similarities Between Turkish and Urdu

[Sugarcane]

Who said anything about urdu? If you have noticed urdu alone doesn't get you anywhere in Pakistan. That's why parents go out of the way to send their kids to private schools. This need to change and I hope PTI introduces English from first class in public schools.

Earlier you came up with funny comment to be little Pakistanis that "While Pakistan was barely getting to know what happened, there already was Ali garh university where Indian muslims came up with two nation theory." when the time line of introduction of Urdu into Punjab, Kashmir & NWFP is decades earlier than establishment of Aligarh University and there's only 7 years difference between establishment of Aligarh University and Punjab University, and it was Punjab University graduate Allamah Iqbal who came up with concept of Pakistan which was successfully persuaded by Bombay University student Muhammad Ali Jinnah. I am not undermining the role of Aligarh University for Pakistan but same university also produced Bacha Khan, Sheikh Abdullah, Zakir Hussain, Hamid Ansari etc.

Then you made fun by saying that only thing produced because of Persian was Punjabi poet with Arabic script (Although I am proud of those poets whose poetry influenced millions and alive even today and is also included in Holy book of Sikhism an important religion of this part of world) which is more true for Urdu which actually is Hindustani with Persian & some Turkish vocabulary and Persian/Arabic script and didn't produced any scientific knowledge as well but anyway for your information (1) Sate of Punjab/Sarkar Khalsa wasn't Punjabi only state (2) It wasn't Muslim only (3) Punjabi itself had 2 writing scripts (4) Persian was used for all official documentation and for secondary education not just for poetry/Qasida goi etc. like Urdu (5) There was at-least some scientific books available in secondary languages used in Punjab (Persian, Arabic, Sanskrit) while newly imposed language had nil even today it doesn't have anything in this field which can rival of what was available at that time in Persian & Arabic.

I said British brought urdu speakers for administration, they also had knowledge of english. There was little need to stick with persian. I don't see any grand conspiracy by british here, they just came from east where they were already established for 200 years if I'm not wrong. And Pakistan as state is still just 72 years old, still less then British raj in Pakistan let alone other regions of south asia.

By that logic, British should have been introducing Bengali, Marathi, Gujrati or Tamil. As any language other than English had no difference for British than why they made exception for Punjab to made them learn new language Hindi (for Non-Muslims)/Urdu (for Muslims) along with English while same wasn't done on other places even in Sindh?

What was the reason that British went on to replace Persian with Urdu & Hindi despite the demand by Anjuman-i-Punjab that "the Urdu language was quite unfit for education at the higher level and, therefore, English should be the exclusive medium of instruction in high schools" W.R. M. Holroyd Lahore: Published by Authority Printed the “Civil and Military Gazette” Press, 1889 ?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Earlier you came up with funny comment to be little Pakistanis that "While Pakistan was barely getting to know what happened, there already was Ali garh university where Indian muslims came up with two nation theory." when the time line of introduction of Urdu into Punjab, Kashmir & NWFP is decades earlier than establishment of Aligarh University and there's only 7 years difference between establishment of Aligarh University and Punjab University, and it was Punjab University graduate Allamah Iqbal who came up with concept of Pakistan which was successfully persuaded by Bombay University student Muhammad Ali Jinnah. I am not undermining the role of Aligarh University for Pakistan but same university also produced Bacha Khan, Sheikh Abdullah, Zakir Hussain, Hamid Ansari etc.

Then you made fun by saying that only thing produced because of Persian was Punjabi poet with Arabic script (Although I am proud of those poets whose poetry influenced millions and alive even today and is also included in Holy book of Sikhism an important religion of this part of world) which is more true for Urdu which actually is Hindustani with Persian & some Turkish vocabulary and Persian/Arabic script and didn't produced any scientific knowledge as well but anyway for your information (1) Sate of Punjab/Sarkar Khalsa wasn't Punjabi only state (2) It wasn't Muslim only (3) Punjabi itself had 2 writing scripts (4) Persian was used for all official documentation and for secondary education not just for poetry/Qasida goi etc. like Urdu (5) There was at-least some scientific books available in secondary languages used in Punjab (Persian, Arabic, Sanskrit) while newly imposed language had nil even today it doesn't have anything in this field which can rival of what was available at that time in Persian & Arabic.



By that logic, British should have been introducing Bengali, Marathi, Gujrati or Tamil. As any language other than English had no difference for British than why they made exception for Punjab to made them learn new language Hindi (for Non-Muslims)/Urdu (for Muslims) along with English while same wasn't done on other places even in Sindh?

What was the reason that British went on to replace Persian with Urdu & Hindi despite the demand by Anjuman-i-Punjab that "the Urdu language was quite unfit for education at the higher level and, therefore, English should be the exclusive medium of instruction in high schools" W.R. M. Holroyd Lahore: Published by Authority Printed the “Civil and Military Gazette” Press, 1889 ?

Ranjit da chamcha na baan.

 

[dexter]

This thread is about similarity between two languages not about Urdu as national language right or wrong.
Urdu is our national language and it was one of the main reason in Tehreek-e-Pakistan chosen by Muslims of British Raj so if you really want to change it go back in time and replace it with your dari or persian.
Instead of being off-topic kindly focus on the main topic.

 

[Sugarcane]

This thread is about similarity between two languages not about Urdu as national language right or wrong.
Urdu is our national language and it was one of the main reason in Tehreek-e-Pakistan chosen by Muslims of British Raj so if you really want to change it go back in time and replace it with your dari or persian.
Instead of being off-topic kindly focus on the main topic.

What's there to discuss when it's basic thing that Urdu was made by introducing Turkish, Persian & Arabic vocabulary along with from other local language in Khari boli/Hindustani, so it obvious there will be common words between Turkish & Urdu. Today, English words which have become part of Urdu are even more than Turkish ones. And I don't see anybody suggesting that Urdu shouldn't be national language but if discussing historical facts make you uncomfortable than I am sorry for my posts.

 

[dexter]

What's there to discuss when it's basic thing that Urdu was made by introducing Turkish, Persian & Arabic vocabulary along with from other local language in Khari boli/Hindustani, so it obvious there will be common words between Turkish & Urdu. Today, English words which have become part of Urdu are even more than Turkish ones. And I don't see anybody suggesting that Urdu shouldn't be national language but if discussing historical facts make you uncomfortable than I am sorry for my posts.

No brother im not offended by your post who am I to give any specific judgement, carry on.
Im referring to someone else not you infact your posts are quite informative and intellactual

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Turkish Urdu similarity research paper