Similarities Between Turkish and Urdu

[padamchen]

lol/ Your bandying out statements as fact.

Its what it is.

While Islam replaced the parent identity in Iran and it's sattelite states, leaving them drifting in a twilight zone of cultural and historical identity, Hindu antiquity endured.

It's extremely distasteful for me to admit as a Persian, but it is what it is.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sugarcane]

I think it was 'imposed' something like 1870s to replace Persian as that was seen as representative of the old order and British were keen on removing the past legacy and installing their own new regime. This is where Urdu/Hindi fitted in.

Very right, Intention were very clear when Punjab (Including NWFP at that time) was only state where when British replaced education system they also replaced languages used for education, and Punjab was only state where old beginners book aka Qaida were confiscated and destroyed, and reward for returning Qaida was more than returning sword. Targeting future generation have proven to be very effective strategy.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Turkish and Urdu have many words in common, but the sentence structure and prepositions/conjunctions are completely different.

There are a few reasons for this. Borrowing from medieval Mongolian, proto-Turkish, and mainly medieval Farsi.

This is because both belong in the old Persian Islamic world, and were converted by Persian Sunni Muslim sufis.

Hindi is a successor language to Urdu, which was stripped of Turkish words.

 

[Kabira]

It's extremely distasteful for me to admit as a Persian, but it is what it is.

Holy f dude its been 1400 years since parsis were persians. Time to let go banya.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Similarities are one thing.

But in terms of closeness it would have to be Hindi.

Pakistanis, Indians, and Bangladeshis can converse with each other (Sri Lankans cannot).

Add to the above Afghans who've lived in India or Pakistan.

Can Turks converse with Pakistanis?

Can Afghans?

Can Iranis?

THAT should be the litmus test.

Not BS feel good pan Islamic videos.

Cheers, Doc

Being a Parsi troll from India, you must be feeling quite lonely.

Did you know that the official language of the Sikh Empire was Persian? @padamchen and old records in Lahore are all in Farsi. This only change in 1850 after British conquest of the Sikh Empire and Urdu/Hindi was sanctioned as way to sever with the past Iranic legacy.

British elite have always been jealous and anti Persian. I don't know what it is but their actions during 50s proved it again when they toppled a democratically elected government in Iran.

 

[padamchen]

Being a Parsi troll from India, you must be feeling quite lonely.

Probably not as lonely as an Ahmadi from Pakistan though, right?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Kabira]

Very right, Intention were very clear when Punjab (Including NWFP at that time) was only state where when British replaced education system they also replaced languages used for education, and Punjab was only state where old beginners book aka Qaida were confiscated and destroyed, and reward for returning Qaida was more than returning sword. Targeting future generation have proven to be very effective strategy.

Main reason was British came from the east and they were better and greatest culturally/science compared to anything that came from west who were just pastoral nomads that adopted persian. There were already modern schools and universities in ganga valley by the time British conquered Pakistan.

While Pakistan was barely getting to
know what happened, there already was Ali garh university where Indian muslims came up with two nation theory.

It was easy to just bring some urdu speakers along with it for administration then sticking with Persian.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Probably not as lonely as an Ahmadis from Pakistan though, right?

Cheers, Doc

Nowhere near, you are a separate ethnicity with no country of your own lmao. I grew up with Sunni friends, I have Sunnis in my family and we have good relations. I personally know Ahmadis from rural Punjab who live together with Sunnis and Shias. I'm not denying anti-Ahmdiyya hatred in Pakistan but the truth is not all Pakistanis are actually religious fanatics, in-fact sometimes its rural ares where you see people of all religion and sects actually getting along well.

 

[padamchen]

Nowhere near, you are a separate ethnicity with no country of your own lmao. I grew up with Sunni friends, I have Sunnis in my family and we have good relations. I personally know Ahmadis from rural Punjab who live together with Sunnis and Shias. I'm not denying anti-Ahmdiyya hatred in Pakistan but the truth is not all Pakistanis are actually religious fanatics, in-fact sometimes its rural ares where you see people of all religion and sects actually getting along well.

I'm just yanking your chain man.

You're a good poster.

Never explain yourself to anyone.

You give them control ...

Note how I treat the punju @Kabira

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sugarcane]

Main reason was British came from the east and they were better and greatest culturally/science compared to anything that came from west who were just pastoral nomads that adopted persian. There were already modern schools and universities in ganga valley by the time British conquered Pakistan.

While Pakistan was barely getting to
know what happened, there already was Ali garh university where Indian muslims came up with two nation theory.

It was easy to just bring some urdu speakers along with it for administration then sticking with Persian.

Lol @ better and greatest education perhaps that was reason that literacy of Punjab was higher than them.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Main reason was British came from the east and they were better and greatest culturally/science compared to anything that came from west who were just pastoral nomads that adopted persian. There were already modern schools and universities in ganga valley by the time British conquered Pakistan.

While Pakistan was barely getting to
know what happened, there already was Ali garh university where Indian muslims came up with two nation theory.

It was easy to just bring some urdu speakers along with it for administration then sticking with Persian.

That is one of best summaries I have read in a long time. The British took us over in 1849 and by that time British rule was over 100 years in the Ganga valley. At that time the British were the apex civilization and naturally as you mention because of them Ganga valley had already a long history of introduction to universities and modern life. Which is why the 2NT was born in that region.

My dad told me when he first moved to Karachi in late 1950s every Bengali he saw was either a doctor or senior official and the first impression he formed was that they Bangali's all were a highly educated people.

 

[Jaanbaz]

I'm just yanking your chain man.

You're a good poster.

Never explain yourself to anyone.

You give them control ...

Note how I treat the punju @Kabira

Cheers, Doc

You're a funny c**t.

 

[padamchen]

That is one of best summaries I have read in a long time. The British took us over in 1849 and by that time British rule was over 100 years in the Ganga valley. At that time the British were the apex civilization and naturally as you mention because of them Ganga valley had already a long history of introduction to universities and modern life. Which is why the 2NT was born in that region.

My dad told me when he first moved to Karachi in late 1950s every Bengali he saw was either a doctor or senior official and the first impression he formed was that they Bangali's all were a highly educated people.

Bengalis are still one of the braniacs of India.

They can be and usually are a lot of other things too ...

Cheers, Doc

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I love your DP. ... hhahaha was in stitches !

@Jaanbaz

 

[PakSword]

Urdu borrowed words from many different different languages and used those words in its own sentence structure.

It started with Arab, then Persian then Turkish words. Finally, we are living in an era where urdu (in Pakistan) is borrowing words from English, Punjabi, Sindhi languages etc. Shah mahmood Qureshi also used some English words in his yesterday's speech.