Silent Soldier -Gen. Akhtar Abdul Rahman

[Sinnerman108]

The second richest General in Pakistans history after Lt Gen. Fazle Haq. Both were worth billions of dollars in the 80's and their buddy COAS whose son used to ply taxis in Chicago is worth Billions today. Zia might beat them both though but information is hard to obtain.

Akhtars sons boast of a highly enviable business portfolio. Humayun Akhtar was about to become the Prime Minister of Pakistan during Musharrafs tenure but something happened along the way.

Though Akhtar is credited as the mastermind of operation cyclone but the reality is that it was a collective effort between CIA and ISI. However Akhtar has to be given credit for some major elements of the whole plan.

One thing you must note is that his sons financed such exaggerated books like 'The Silent Soldier' to make Akhtar more of a hero in the eyes of Pakistani's.

Blamed for Ojhri and the continous selection of hardliners over moderate elements in Afghanistan, Akhtar just might be the person responsible for the grand mess afterwards.

If being a goon makes you an excellent spy master, then he gets full points.

Are you in a position to substantiate your arguments ?

Seems like your personal loathing falling out, rather than commenting on thread's subject.

 

[nightcrawler]

Just read the book; "A Case of Exploding Mangoes" & one will get shame to acknowledge Zia as a pious Muslim LeaderA lovely book
A Case of Exploding Mangoes - Mohammed Hanif - Fullscreen

 

[My-Analogous]

HE WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE ONLY GENERAL TO TAKE ON THE SOVIET
MILITARY MACHINE SINCE THE END OF WORLD WAR 2 - AND WIN. FOR THIS HE
SHOULD BE SALUTED

MAY ALLAH FORGIVE HIM & OPEN DOORS OF HEAVEN FOR HIM HE IS AND WILL BE HIGHLY RESPECTABLE TO ME FOREVER

 

[nescafe]

Silent soldier : the man behind the Afghan jehad General Akhtar Abdur by Mohammed Yousaf

 

[nightcrawler]

MAY ALLAH FORGIVE HIM & OPEN DOORS OF HEAVEN FOR HIM HE IS AND WILL BE HIGHLY RESPECTABLE TO ME FOREVER

...& may Allah askance him for gifting Pakistan with a bunch of illiterate yet money-laundering Mullahs & suicide Jackets

 

[Sinnerman108]

Just read the book; "A Case of Exploding Mangoes" & one will get shame to acknowledge Zia as a pious Muslim LeaderA lovely book
A Case of Exploding Mangoes - Mohammed Hanif - Fullscreen

andddddddd hence proved.

reading a book does nothing to improve mental maturity.

Last I checked you were about to reveal huge security lapses at Nilore ?

We still waiting for your press conference.

 

[nightcrawler]

andddddddd hence proved.

reading a book does nothing to improve mental maturity.

Last I checked you were about to reveal huge security lapses at Nilore ?

We still waiting for your press conference.

Now here is a perfect example of dictator friend. Like a dictator you are extremely irked by a simple civilian just writing his personal observations on a public forum!!

 

[skybolt]

General Akhtar Abdul Rehman

 

[Maverick007]

The second richest General in Pakistans history after Lt Gen. Fazle Haq. Both were worth billions of dollars in the 80's and their buddy COAS whose son used to ply taxis in Chicago is worth Billions today. Zia might beat them both though but information is hard to obtain.

Akhtars sons boast of a highly enviable business portfolio. Humayun Akhtar was about to become the Prime Minister of Pakistan during Musharrafs tenure but something happened along the way.

Though Akhtar is credited as the mastermind of operation cyclone but the reality is that it was a collective effort between CIA and ISI. However Akhtar has to be given credit for some major elements of the whole plan.

One thing you must note is that his sons financed such exaggerated books like 'The Silent Soldier' to make Akhtar more of a hero in the eyes of Pakistani's.

Blamed for Ojhri and the continous selection of hardliners over moderate elements in Afghanistan, Akhtar just might be the person responsible for the grand mess afterwards.

If being a goon makes you an excellent spy master, then he gets full points.

Being a goon may not make you a good spy master but is sure makes you a moderator on defence.pk. I bid all goons at defence.pk farewell as this is no longer a forum worth reading/contributing to. To moderators, please suspend/terminate my membership before I come back and embarrass you kids a bit more. And learn to be good Pakistanis first, then start a forum. You're not exactly discussing the neighbourhood gossip here.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

it is awell established and doucumented fact, that all intellgence operations were planned by the ISI. this was one of the conditions set by the Pakistanis, when the US jumped in the wagon to obliterate the russian bear.

US accounts state that Gen Akhtar was extremely astute and shrewd spy who was able to fog CIA, Mossad and Russian plans in more than one instances.

He was able to convince Israel to give the mujaideens the AK47 rifles, o which the Israelis had a huge cache of.

please remember that the US didt enter this war actively till the mid 80s, at which time only Pakistan was supporting the Afghan mujahideens along with littlehelp from the saudis.

the late GenAkhtar and Gen Zia were very good at duping the CIA which ultimately alo led to their deaths.

CIA,KGB and MOSSAD, all were partners in their assasiations.

Im not a fan of Zia or Akhtar, as they did make a **** load of money, but they were indeed instrumetal in the victory of the afghan mujahideen and we cannot steal it away from them.

If I may -- according to your observation the US did not come into the afghan war till early part of 80's. Than whose war it was we were fighitng in 79 and 80'? I always come across this conjecture that we ended up fighting a US war. To me it is very clear from your observatoins and my research as well that we pullled in or sucked in US to this war by our skillful handling of the initial stages of the insurgency in Afghnasitan. Accoring to Hameed Gul we were already nurturing the likes of Hekmatyar and Rabbani since President Dawoods' time -- in time we unleashed the dogs of war.

 

[SQ8]

If I may -- according to your observation the US did not come into the afghan war till early part of 80's. Than whose war it was we were fighitng in 79 and 80'? I always come across this conjecture that we ended up fighting a US war. To me it is very clear from your observatoins and my research as well that we pullled in or sucked in US to this war by our skillful handling of the initial stages of the insurgency in Afghnasitan. Accoring to Hameed Gul we were already nurturing the likes of Hekmatyar and Rabbani since President Dawoods' time -- in time we unleashed the dogs of war.

The Sucker we found was Charlie wilson....
Our objectives were to ensure that our back was secure from India.. the soviets in Afghanistan could provide India bases and other advantages.. not to mention step into a future fight allied with them against us..and there was a real possibility of us being overrun and occupied by a joint Indo-Soviet force.
So.. we played on the US's need to keep an anti soviet bullwark alive.. whilst avoiding direct conflict..
Unfortunately.. like Op Gibraltar.. and countless others.. we screwed up the endgame(or never planned for one..whichever is your take).

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Agreed Santro.

Let me add that this jockeying was going on since before Bhutto's time. It came to head after Daud started actively particpating in NWFP politics through their proxy NAP. Than Bhutto unleashed ISI to start subversion in Afghanistan. This happened -- and Daud's Govt. was rocked and privately conceeded to accept Durand line as the int'l border. Russia stepped in and and rest is history.

This I believe is the reason we got engaged in Afghanistan. US always had an interest there but was limited to USSR and less on Afghanistan.

We need to put this point accross that before anyone else we had a strong interest in Afghanistan -- US was suckered in and was a willing partner as both countires for different reasons had convergant interests. We were not fighting anyone else's war but our own.

 

[SQ8]

Perhaps India centric.. but one cannot blame our establishment to look at the worse case scenario.
A hostile India and a hostile Afghanistan.

 

[muse]

And if one takes a lesson from our friends to the north east and from our moral and ethical guides, one would have to say that the worst case situation is when there is disequilibrium, The worst case threat is not a hostile India, it is a Pakistan that is unable to compete with a industrial India -- I'm with you and can join any analyst with what armaments and personnel the Indian has posted along the border and all that -- reality is that India have not used these assets even when it could have done so - why? beyond the jingoistic explanations, there is the easy common sense explanation, while Indian industrial capabilities grow (read economy), Pakistan's have stagnated and accrued negative growth -- this has and will create disequilibrium, imbalance -- it's not the Indian's fault that he is succeeding at what we are failing at -- we can still make this right, lets focus on that.

 

[SQ8]

And if one takes a lesson from our friends to the north east and from our moral and ethical guides, one would have to say that the worst case situation is when there is disequilibrium, The worst case threat is not a hostile India, it is a Pakistan that is unable to compete with a industrial India -- I'm with you and can join any analyst with what armaments and personnel the Indian has posted along the border and all that -- reality is that India have not used these assets even when it could have done so - why? beyond the jingoistic explanations, there is the easy common sense explanation, while Indian industrial capabilities grow (read economy), Pakistan's have stagnated and accrued negative growth -- this has and will create disequilibrium, imbalance -- it's not the Indian's fault that he is succeeding at what we are failing at -- we can still make this right, lets focus on that.

Currently muse, our society is in disequilibrium, you can pump in a trillion dollars into this economy and see it evaporate without a trace.