Silence on the 'K-word' in the 2013 elections

[janon]

It's similar to what is happening in Palestine.

The younger generation does not attach the same emotional significance to a struggle as the earlier generation did. This attachment or association becomes less and less pronounced with each generation.

And I'm not sure that Pakistan's current situation is something that Kashimiris would find inviting. This could also be another reason for the slight change in Kashmir's stance.

But Pakistan should not cease to provide moral support to this struggle and work harder on cleaning its internal mess. A democratic, liberal society is one that will have a positive effect on our voice on this issue.

India already provides them with that. While pakistan is trying to first build a liberal and democratic society and then woo kashmiris, India already has that.

Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan and a very important pillar of our foreign policy. Election campaigns are built around internal issues like health, education, security, employment, etc. there is no need for Kashmiris to be concerned, or for hindustanis to be happy about.

One pat of it is. But the best parts of Kashmir, including the glorious Kashmir valley, are all part of India. Nothing you can do will change that fact. Neither your entire army, nor your silly mujahideens and lashkars and other terrorists can take our Kashmir away from us.

(But we want you to keep trying. That will ensure that pakistan lives in a perpetual jihad-culture, andd cannot progress.)

 

[RazorMC]

India already provides them with that. While pakistan is trying to first build a liberal and democratic society and then woo kashmiris, India already has that.
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That's the problem. We got on this version of Islam that few people in the subcontinent (incl Kashmiris) associated with and expected every Muslim in the world to support us.
That really messed things up for any appeal that we used to have. Sent us back years while India's transformation gave Kashmiris something to think about.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan and a very important pillar of our foreign policy. Election campaigns are built around internal issues like health, education, security, employment, etc. there is no need for Kashmiris to be concerned, or for hindustanis to be happy about.

But , but Kashmiris don't want to be a part of Pakistan. They want an independent state .Are you willing to betray the trust of Kashmiris for your own selfish greed of land ?

 

[Silverblaze]

Pakistan cannot forget Kashmir even if it wanted to.

The issue of Kashmir cannot be swept under the carpet as it will be coming up again and again.

the main reason is not Pakistan, but the Kashmiris in the valley who are living in the most militarized zone in the world.

wherever an army is present in numbers, there is always a thriving problem.

 

[punit]

Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan and a very important pillar of our foreign policy. Election campaigns are built around internal issues like health, education, security, employment, etc. there is no need for Kashmiris to be concerned, or for hindustanis to be happy about.

lool so much so for azadi and self determination of kashmir

 

[Capt.Popeye]

That's the problem. We got on this version of Islam that few people in the subcontinent (incl Kashmiris) associated with and expected every Muslim in the world to support us.
That really messed things up for any appeal that we used to have. Sent us back years while India's transformation gave Kashmiris something to think about.

I'll only comment about the underlined part: the fact of Economic growth in India is not hidden from people in the Valley. While the fruits of that growth is still not all inclusive yet; it is clearly visible for the people of Jammu and Kashmir to want to feel aspirational in their lives. That is something that the insurgent elements have not understood yet or refuse to accept.

 

[hussain0216]

If anything its the opposite, muslims across the world are turning much more rightwing

Our problem is not necessarily with india but with Hindus we dont like them or their horrendous culture

The views espoused by kashmiri youth are much more rightwing compared to our elders

The pudits have been pushed out and we have control of kashmir, and we will make this state a muslim state

 

[notsuperstitious]

If anything its the opposite, muslims across the world are turning much more rightwing

Our problem is not necessarily with india but with Hindus we dont like them or their horrendous culture

The views espoused by kashmiri youth are much more rightwing compared to our elders

The pudits have been pushed out and we have control of kashmir, and we will make this state a muslim state

We like the real estate, we are keeping it. The more we know its an issue of religious bigotry, the more we are determined to crush it.

Cry me a river, we'll build a dam on it

 

[Capt.Popeye]

If anything its the opposite, muslims across the world are turning much more rightwing

Our problem is not necessarily with india but with Hindus we dont like them or their horrendous culture

The views espoused by kashmiri youth are much more rightwing compared to our elders

The pudits have been pushed out and we have control of kashmir, and we will make this state a muslim state

In which Millenium will you make that happen? Because it is not happening in this one.

 

[janon]

If anything its the opposite, muslims across the world are turning much more rightwing

Our problem is not necessarily with india but with Hindus we dont like them or their horrendous culture

The views espoused by kashmiri youth are much more rightwing compared to our elders

The pudits have been pushed out and we have control of kashmir, and we will make this state a muslim state

Who is the "we" in that sentence?

 

[DGMO]

Silence on the
Also, during the latest election campaign there has hardly been any mention of Kashmir, not even symbolically.

It's not just the election campaign though. Discussion and focus around Kashmir has been missing from the national discourse for around 10 years.

There has been an ever increasing move away from Kashmir by the general populace and media. When you have rampant corruption, inflation, water issues, electricity load shedding, unemployment, gas load shedding, sectarian killings, terrorism, ever-increasing crime, national disasters, a war on your western border, political strife, internal insurgencies etc. then the ordinary man does not care about a problem like Kashmir. Especially as it plays very little role in their everyday affairs.

Most important for the common man is trying to make ends meet on a daily basis and dealing with the numerous domestic troubles we have.

It's folly and completely untrue to suggest that Kashmir matters to the majority of Pakistani's as it once did. It just doesn't.

And that is only a good thing. Let's get our house in order, all else is secondary. And that, by a distance.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

It's not just the election campaign though. Discussion and focus around Kashmir has been missing from the national discourse for around 10 years.

There has been an ever increasing move away from Kashmir by the general populace and media. When you have rampant corruption, inflation, water issues, electricity load shedding, unemployment, gas load shedding, sectarian killings, terrorism, ever-increasing crime, national disasters, a war on your western border, political strife, internal insurgencies etc. then the ordinary man does not care about a problem like Kashmir. Especially as it plays very little role in their everyday affairs.

Most important for the common man is trying to make ends meet on a daily basis and dealing with the numerous domestic troubles we have.

It's folly and completely untrue to suggest that Kashmir matters to the majority of Pakistani's as it once did. It just doesn't.

And that is only a good thing. Let's get our house in order, all else is secondary. And that, by a distance.

One more reason that many Pakistanis except for the right wingers have quit thinking about Kashmir too much is the realisation that even if Kashmir miraculously becomes independent from India , they won't be joining Pakistan as that is not what they desire. Most Pakistanis don't admit it but heart within hearts they know.

 

[hussain0216]

I am a kashmiri

I know what my community thinks and does, our hatred for hindus is second to none

Its not all about state and nation its about the expansion of our people our culture and faith, spreading of our beliefs

We have the people on the ground if india wants to spend billions in nourishing a people who will always despise them then go ahead

Hundreds of years of living together hasent dampend our animosity towards hindus why do you think it will change now

 

[Contrarian]

wherever an army is present in numbers, there is always a thriving problem.

I agree with this sole statement of yours.

However the Army can only shift out if Pakistan stops being a breeding and launching ground for terrorists in Kashmir.

 

[Thorough Pro]

If Kashmiri's don't want to be part of Pakistan then what is the logic of atrocities and massacre by more than a million man strong indian army for more than 3 decades now............get out of your delusional utopia and smell the Kashmiri coffee

But , but Kashmiris don't want to be a part of Pakistan. They want an independent state .Are you willing to betray the trust of Kashmiris for your own selfish greed of land ?