Sikkim stand-off: Indian troops unlikely to pull back

[CAD]

• India is not likely to consider a pullout without some clear terms being arrived at first
• China's unilateral move violates agreements with India and impacts Bhutan's sovereignty

File photo shows Indian flag flows next to Chinese national emblem

NEW DELHI: Despite rising stridency in Chinese demands that India pull back+from the confrontation near the Sikkim-Tibet-Bhutan tri-junction, Indian troops are digging in to protect the strategic topography that is just 30 km from a hydel project and overlooks the Bengal-Assam road link.

The hydro-electric project is located at Jaldhaka river at Jhalong which is not far from the border with Bhutan and is also a bridge for crossing over to the landlocked hill kingdom. The Jaldhaka, along with Torsha river, flows into the Brahmaputra and is part of a tract of land that could come under pressure if the Chinese build the road they are planning through Doklam plateau in Bhutan+ .




The Siliguri corridor, and the town itself, will be vulnerable if China gets to dominate ridge lines which will allow its troops to literally sit astride Indian territory. The road to Assam also runs through the narrow strip of territory that connects West Bengal to the northeast and any threat to it can snip the surface link from Bagdogra to Guwahati.

Given the importance of holding the current alignment and preventing China from altering this to its benefit, India is not likely to consider a pullout without some clear terms being arrived at first. Though the Chinese are clearly annoyed at Indian troops stalling road work in an area that is near the tri-junction, Bhutan has strongly protested the intrusion on its territory. Even if the area is considered disputed, China's unilateral move violates agreements with India and impacts Bhutan's sovereignty.




As the full significance of the Chinese move becomes apparent, it is clear that the road project and movement of troops was more than the "usual" intrusions by which China tests India's defences and responses. The realignment of ground position was intended to grasp a decisive advantage in the region and went beyond the "needle and nibble" attempts to reset parts of the unsettled boundary between India and China.




With matters grinding to a stalemate and India holding its ground and comments, the stage could be set for more serious diplomatic engagement. Though the tough talk on part of Beijing continues, ejecting Indian troops is not an easy prospect and neither side would be keen to let matters get out of hand.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ition-uk-prosecutors/articleshow/59478625.cms

 

[CAD]

Now, here should be the quick remedy for Pakistan and China:

Beijing’s large fleet of conventionally armed ballistic missiles could be used to bombard Indian territory and compel India to a ceasefire.

China has ways to asymmetrically attack India and fight across multiple domains of conflict to entice India to back down.

I am not generally not a warmonger, but this has gone too far. We should strike. Do something. I only wish something be done about taking back Indian Occupied Kashmir remaining part because we can’t see our Kashmir’s freedom fighters brothers are been tortured and can’t see coward 7 lakh indian soldiers doing atrocities there, and bring back remaining Indian Occupied Kashmir to Pakistan and also China should then take back Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim may be.

Take on India by both China and Pakistan. Maybe. Can we? I don't know what we should do. Hopefully our hands aren't tied and someone is coming up with a plan to hit them. Hopefully.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Now, here should be the quick remedy for Pakistan and China:

Beijing’s large fleet of conventionally armed ballistic missiles could be used to bombard Indian territory and compel India to a ceasefire.

China has ways to asymmetrically attack India and fight across multiple domains of conflict to entice India to back down.

I am not generally not a warmonger, but this has gone too far. We should strike. Do something. I only wish something be done about taking back Indian Occupied Kashmir remaining part because we can’t see our Kashmir’s freedom fighters brothers are been tortured and can’t see coward 7 lakh indian soldiers doing atrocities there, and bring back remaining Indian Occupied Kashmir to Pakistan and also China should then take back Aksai Chin, Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim may be.

Take on India by both China and Pakistan. Maybe. Can we? I don't know what we should do. Hopefully our hands aren't tied and someone is coming up with a plan to hit them. Hopefully.

You are warmonger as you are posting the same post in multiple thread. When Pakistan and India has not gone for war even during the height of tension and continue ceasefire violations everyday, then why would china and india will go to war for this where soldiers dont even have live ammos with them as per the agreement.

 

[CAD]

You are warmonger as you are posting the same post in multiple thread. When Pakistan and India has not gone for war even during the height of tension and continue ceasefire violations everyday, then why would china and india will go to war for this where soldiers dont even have live ammos with them as per the agreement.

Once again, such analysis is not meant to suggest that war between China and India is likely, only ground realities shows something else and to the contrast while same situation was too there in 1962.

 

[soundHound]

Now, here should be the quick remedy for Pakistan and China:

Beijing’s large fleet of conventionally armed ballistic missiles could be used to bombard Indian territory and compel India to a ceasefire.

China has ways to asymmetrically attack India and fight across multiple domains of conflict to entice India to back down.

I am not generally not a warmonger, but this has gone too far. We should strike. Do something. I only wish something be done about taking back Indian Occupied Kashmir remaining part because we can’t see our Kashmir’s freedom fighters brothers are been tortured and can’t see coward 7 lakh indian soldiers doing atrocities there, and bring back remaining Indian Occupied Kashmir to Pakistan and also China should then take back Aksai Chin, Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim may be.

Take on India by both China and Pakistan. Maybe. Can we? I don't know what we should do. Hopefully our hands aren't tied and someone is coming up with a plan to hit them. Hopefully.

You can, and you should as well, believe me India is not counting on anyone for aid, just like you guys always do, running to someone with begging bowl for aid. Also do note, in process of capturing Kashmir just don't end up loosing Lahore.

 

[CAD]

You can, and you should as well, believe me India is not counting on anyone for aid, just like you guys always do, running to someone with begging bowl for aid. Also do note, in process of capturing Kashmir just don't end up loosing Lahore.

India is violating an 1890 border agreement between Britain and China that previous Indian governments pledged to uphold, Indian troops crossing onto the Chinese side were in violation of this historical agreement and a United Nations charter.

So, it would be better for India to withdraw its troops to its side, or else would lose Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh

Indian Occupied Kashmir is already gone from Indian hands, and soon it would merge back into to Pakistan and India would lose many territories to China and Pakistan themselves.

 

[Shivani87]

China - some times we like agreements done with imperialists

Some times we dont, because well - imperialists

Some times we like hand drawn maps that are 700 yeal old

Some times we like red dotted lines first made in pen and then printed on maps in SCS

Some times we dont like terrorists who protest (without rocks)

Some times we like terrorists who commit mass murder

Some times we like status quo

Some times we like to build artificial islands

Some times we dont like old maps

Some times we bully smaller nations

Some times we throw bones to smaller nations, if they agree to be our cheerleader

Some times we dont like third party construction in disputed land

Some times we like it

But we always like cheerleading nations as long as they play useful idiots!!!

 

[CAD]

You can, and you should as well, believe me India is not counting on anyone for aid, just like you guys always do, running to someone with begging bowl for aid. Also do note, in process of capturing Kashmir just don't end up loosing Lahore.

Border scuffles amid China and India have seethed in the past, but analysts from both sides said the latest spat has the potential to spiral into conflict between the two nuclear-armed nations.

So far, the countries’ troops, who are usually unarmed to avoid provocation, have engaged in what is known as elbowing, but this time same 1962 conditions are on the ground and its reality so one should not ignore and India should take harsh lessons from the worst
humiliation, defeat and failures in 1962 war and then you guys were badly rattled after defeat at the hands of our brother China in 1962 war, so back off or else it would may become a worst nightmare for India again.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

India is violating an 1890 border agreement between Britain and China that previous Indian governments pledged to uphold,

Do more research before posting half baked info. The agreement was between India's sikkim and Tibet. This current standoff is between China and Bhutan and Bhutan has invited India for helping them. This is what India;s stand is and is what India is following.

Regarding treaty, China does not recognise McMohan Line as agreed by British and Tibetian government and has already violated it many times. Though India has not violated 1890 agreement and still honor it, but yet if India does violate it, China has no moral ground of loci-standi to point finger to India about violation.

 

[third eye]

Hmm..

Now, here should be the quick remedy for Pakistan and China:

How does Pak figure in this - anywhere ?

Beijing’s large fleet of conventionally armed ballistic missiles could be used to bombard Indian territory and compel India to a ceasefire.

Ceasefire ? When did the firing start ?

I mean , are you for real ? What you suggest amounts to losing your head over a piece of tail. Be careful on a Military Forum of the words you use & their implications . Bombard .. eh ?

I am not generally not a warmonger, but this has gone too far. We should strike. Do something. I only wish something be done about taking back Indian Occupied Kashmir remaining part because we can’t see our Kashmir’s freedom fighters brothers are been tortured and can’t see coward 7 lakh indian soldiers doing atrocities there, and bring back remaining Indian Occupied Kashmir to Pakistan and also China should then take back Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim may be.

Since you insist on off topic remarks .. What do you suggest Pak should do which has already not been attempted with failure over the last 70 years ?

 

[CAD]

Do more research before posting half baked info. The agreement was between India's sikkim and Tibet. This current standoff is between China and Bhutan and Bhutan has invited India for helping them. This is what India;s stand is and is what India is following.

Regarding treaty, China does not recognise McMohan Line as agreed by British and Tibetian government and has already violated it many times. Though India has not violated 1890 agreement and still honor it, but yet if India does violate it, China has no moral ground of loci-standi to point finger to India about violation.

Do your own research first; India’s intervention amounted to a provocation, violating an 1890 treaty with Britain that appears to grant China access to the region, and the pact was affirmed by Indian leaders after independence.

And when it comes to Doklam has always been part of China’s territory and under China’s effective jurisdiction without disputes.

The Indian military can choose to return to its territory with dignity, or be kicked out of the area by Chinese soldiers choice is simply yours.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Yes, China is a very clever player!!! She'll take the full advantage of this fiasco by keeping it alive as long as she needs!!! I think I have read in this forum that China is sending submarines, surveyor ships. etc. to the Indian Ocean!!! They want to kill many birds with a single stone in the hand!!!! One by one the opposition to OBOR is being eliminated!!! And, India has fallen right into the trap as they prepared it like a double-edged sword!!! It's designed like a lose/lose proposition for her!! As for small countries like Bhutan, unfortunately, they always find themselves at the crossroads of the Imperial games....

This is a part of OBOR vs anti-OBOR scuffle!!! Other scenes are unfolding in KSA/GCC/Egypt vs Qatar set!!!! However, the mother of all scenes is Trump/Pentagon vs the Family!!!!!!

 

[Shivani87]

@third eye

In my uni, none of the cheerleaders were on the debate team and vice versa.

There is a reason for it.

 

[soundHound]

Border scuffles amid China and India have seethed in the past, but analysts from both sides said the latest spat has the potential to spiral into conflict between the two nuclear-armed nations.

So far, the countries’ troops, who are usually unarmed to avoid provocation, have engaged in what is known as elbowing, but this time same 1962 conditions are on the ground and its reality so one should not ignore and India should take harsh lessons from the worst
humiliation, defeat and failures in 1962 war and then you guys were badly rattled after defeat at the hands of our brother China in 1962 war, so back off or else it would may become a worst nightmare for India again.

No matter how much you cheerlead here, but entire world minus Pakistan knows China is being bully here threatening sovereignty of an tiny nation for which India has came to rescue, also you are speaking of same brotherly nation, who did not came for your rescue thrice isn't it? believe me if India starts spanking you right now, your brotherly wont be coming for rescue like usual.

So for sake of god, put down mask of cheerleader and for once have some self respect and start minding your own business.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Do your own research first; India’s intervention amounted to a provocation, violating an 1890 treaty with Britain that appears to grant China access to the region, and the pact was affirmed by Indian leaders after independence.

And when it comes to Doklam has always been part of China’s territory and under China’s effective jurisdiction without disputes.

Thats your story line. and where there are more than one story line around one place or incident, it is termed as dispute and that is what the current situation is. There is a dispute and china should maintain the status quo. Since chinese tried to change this status quo by building a road and thus altered the game, so India is right to respond on Bhutan;s request. Since Chinese initiated this change at their will, India is free to respond to this at its will but this is all because of Bhutan's request.

BTW i dont remember Pakistan sharing any border with Bhutan or invited by Chinese to deal with India, why you guys doing humpy jumpy?