Siachen Glacier, Fighting On The Roof Of The World

[Astra]

the question begs to be answered - is it worth it? - India spending upto US$ 500m/year and pakistan US$ 50m/year. resources which can be better utilised elsewhere i am sure.

It is the question of National Integrity. The army is to guard the honour of the country. USD 500 Million is the little price paid for it along with most precious thing LIFE, that is risked by the soldiers.

 

[Astra]

Easy to say,
But i wish that Siachen is resolved as early as possible, so that troops of both sides donot suffer any longer.

It is not bound to be resolved atleast in the near future, thanks to the misturst that kargil misadventure has created.

This is a kind of territory where recapture is almost impossible, so it is better to hold on to respective territories.

 

[Blackpearl]

It is not bound to be resolved atleast in the near future, thanks to the misturst that kargil misadventure has created.

This is a kind of territory where recapture is almost impossible, so it is better to hold on to respective territories.

Astra

Nice Avatar yaar!!

Can anybody please tell me how i can select my own Avatar, just struggling with it but of no use.

 

[blain2]

It is the question of National Integrity. The army is to guard the honour of the country. USD 500 Million is the little price paid for it along with most precious thing LIFE, that is risked by the soldiers.

Yes that is correct. This is the exact sentiment that carries both sides onwards.

 

[blain2]

Astra

Nice Avatar yaar!!

Can anybody please tell me how i can select my own Avatar, just struggling with it but of no use.

You can upload it Blackwater. May have an image on your hard drive, just use that. Go to your profile. On the top you will see the tab for "User CP". Just click on that and then it will take you to the CP page. From there on the left, just click on "edit avatar".

Hth

 

[blain2]

Easy to say,
But i wish that Siachen is resolved as early as possible, so that troops of both sides donot suffer any longer.

I am with you. Simply stating that since there are no active hostilities taking place on the glacier, the situation is better than before, however the chances of casualties, sickness etc. always exist.

 

[Contrarian]

Let me put things in a straight way. India wont withdraw even if the hostilities end till the time Pakistan recognizes the AGP's, and Pakistan will not do so as thats tantamount to accepting India's claims.

I for one agree with the Army's POV in this, no withdrawal till AGP's are demarcated and agreed to by Pakistan, so that later on, if indeed some 'mujahideens' cross over and settle there, India has the territorial right to bomb them without international discussions and deliberations.

 

[blain2]

Let me put things in a straight way. India wont withdraw even if the hostilities end till the time Pakistan recognizes the AGP's, and Pakistan will not do so as thats tantamount to accepting India's claims.

I for one agree with the Army's POV in this, no withdrawal till AGP's are demarcated and agreed to by Pakistan, so that later on, if indeed some 'mujahideens' cross over and settle there, India has the territorial right to bomb them without international discussions and deliberations.

Well this is the reason that EVERY one of us here believes that this problem and for that matter any other issue between Pakistan and India will remain unresolved perpetually (despite all this talk of mending relations). So the current times are the best of it that the two sides will see.

On the issue of certifying AGPs, you have to understand (and you know this) the mistrust exists on both sides by the tonnage. Why should Pakistan agree to accepting and certifying the AGPs of the own and Indian troops when the area since the time of partition is a disputed territory? Pakistan has the exact same argument about the LoC. Its not International boundary so its subject to each side's interpretation. If the two sides really mean business and mend this mistrust deficit, then we can make some headway. But reality is as such that the possibility of either side putting aside the mistrust is very small.

So whosoever holds on to whatever it is that they are holding will stay on as such. Neither side will be very magnanimous about this issue as there is no need for this right now. Both sides can easily afford to carry on indefinitely.

 

[Always Neutral]

Time for India and Pakistan to move on and leave Siachen and mother nature alone to heal.

The money can be better spent in both countries

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Time for India and Pakistan to move on and leave Siachen and mother nature alone to heal.

The money can be better spent in both countries

Ideal, but sadly, it will never come to pass.

Optimistically viewing, a tenure there would give back some of the sanity that is taking a tailspin with the crass commericialism and the get rich quick syndrome that is gripping this world.

Nearer to Thee, My Lord!

Brings back reality, and time to interospect and realise the Sublime!

 

[fatman17]

Fatman,

It is not worth it if you look at it in pure human terms.

But then the Army itself is redundant if there were no nations, no politics and things like that which makes life a complex an issue.

I dont disagree with your utopian view but some things are not worth it in my opinion. humans were not made to exisit at 6,000m (only if they are sitting in a airplane)
having said that, pictures sometimes are more believing than words. suggest everyone see this movie called ZULU starring michael caine. it is the real story of a battle between the english and zulu tribe at a place called rork's creek in the late 1700's. 150 english fighting 4,000 zulu warriors.
u will get my point.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I have seen it (the Movie).

Moving.

But I have also seen the futility of war and yet nothing changes.

Attitudes of the population is too hardened for any leeway.

The attitude of some of us here is adequate to indicate that the govt cannot change their opinion unless they are suicidal!

 

[Blackpearl]

Gentlemen.

I will only say that Soldiers are also humans. Our leaders, politicians sitting in air conditioned rooms in New Dehli and Islamabad, are just doing lip service, in the name of so called patriotism.

Thay simply dont know 'What It Really Takes" to stand a single night, on an isolated post, at 21,000 feet, facing blizards reaching 60-80 km/hr, temperatur plummeting to 50 degree Celcius.

Its a daunting task, yet i salute to courage and fortitude, of Soldiers of India and Pakistan, who are as dedicated and loyal to their country, as a solder is required to be. i can only urge both sides,...For God sake, for the sake of humanity, just settle the issue. There is nothing special about that #@$& piece of land. Just stop the misseries of soldiers.

 

[JK!]

I dont disagree with your utopian view but some things are not worth it in my opinion. humans were not made to exisit at 6,000m (only if they are sitting in a airplane)
having said that, pictures sometimes are more believing than words. suggest everyone see this movie called ZULU starring michael caine. it is the real story of a battle between the english and zulu tribe at a place called rork's creek in the late 1700's. 150 english fighting 4,000 zulu warriors.
u will get my point.

That would be RORKE'S DRIFT and it is an outstanding film considering the day and age in which it was made when compared to newer films.

 

[fatman17]

That would be RORKE'S DRIFT and it is an outstanding film considering the day and age in which it was made when compared to newer films.

i stand corrected!