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Pakistan started off with expeditions in an area which it knew would draw a response from India. These created a threat for India that eventually this would lend credence to the Pakistani claim of having administrative control over the area, the Pakistani move into the area was in fact in line with its policy of incremental annexation into northern areas and siachen, there was no way India was going to stand by and let control of the territory it considered its own to be claimed by Pakistan. India's stand would have been weakened had Pakistan proved that it held administration of siachen. So if Pakistanis think its a futile war, it has only to blame itself for initiating it.
You have a creative mind i must say!
i mean i have never seen such stubbornness in any other national of this world as you indians have shown on this forum!!
Your own Mr Kumar-the great-provoker has openly admitted while displaying the highest level of testosteroneic and emotional tone that it was he who initiated this conflict (i am looking for that interview and i'll try getting it soon). In that interview he makes NO mention of this creativity of yours that it was us who went in first. He agressively says that (paraphrased-and it may not be exactly what he said as i saw the video like a 1000 years ago) "i saw a map and i was bewildered that it showed the Siachen Glacier with Pakistani borders, i at once went up the chain of command and convinced the dude sitting there to take prompt action"
i mean why wouldnt he not mention this 'straight' fact that as Pakistan had already crept towards the Glacier so we the indian who are have lose bowls had to respond!!??
Wouldnt it had been easier for your manipulative govt to stand with the claims that as the Pakistanis were the aggressors so we did respond in turn, as compared to sticking with the claims made my Mr-Provoker? i bet they must have kept this is mind that the later claim would ask for infractions from the Pakistanis and the world.
Simla Agreement vaguely mentioned the borders of the Glacier. The imaginary line thingy was clear enough to show the demarcation very clearly atleast on the maps, if not on ground, this is one.
Two, if the Agreement showed the Glacier as our part and the WORLD also accepted it, so from whom should you suggest the foreign expeditions should have asked permissions from? Afghanistan or China?
Three, there is another school of thought that it was USSR who 'asked' india to open up the Siachen Conflict so that Pakistan should be committed there , thence Pakistan would not be able to interfere in Afghanistan against the Soviets!!!
No allow me to use my imagination:
Mr-Bull-the Provoker was a mountaineering expert and a climb die hard, so obvioulsy he wanted to divert more funds to his Army Mountaineering School and show the Snow Warfare side of IA as a 'useful' practice, so there he goes he opens up an issue and the IA gets blindly committed there. How about that?
If Pakistan was following the policy of "incremental annexation into northern areas and siachen" as claimed by you, wouldnt it had been better to go on tables and get the issue done with? Instead india wanted to show itself as an aggressor and went in secretly and invaded a sovereign territory! BTW, if Pakistan had nefarious designs do you think the permissions that it gave to the foreign expeditions should also have been kept secret and when when the situation had been ripened Pakistan should have jumped into the Glacier, thereby leaving india with no choice? If you could have gone into Siachin with force sir, so could have we, but we didnt!
Refer to above!The operation came after Pakistan initiated intrusion into the area and India had specific information about Pakistanis preparing for high altitude warfare. So if you talk about joining the dots...there were plenty for India too.
And even if this rant is considered valid, why would india have used force and captured the area? Expansionary theory i supposed!
India had no interest in siachen prior to 1978...Indian millitary had no presence there and no mountaineering expeditions, they stepped in when they got information about Pakistan preparing for HAW, and you were there too, so our intelligence proved correct as well.
Gandhi's vexation was correct as it was Indian territory that was being showed on international maps as Pakistani, and Pakistanis were giving it credence by sending in foreign expeditions. If Pakistan wanted to avoid conflict, it should not have interfered with siachen and let it alone.
Pakistan preparing for HAW, interesting!!
Hats off to your intellect!