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Should we be grateful that Bose failed?

Is it a good thing that Japanese were defeated in Kohima?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • No

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • can't say

    Votes: 13 43.3%

  • Total voters
    30
You would be economically better off...you would have a strong (maybe stronger) conventional military...you would not have nukes....some people here spoke about France and the UK...well India at that time would not be considered to be the same "class" of allies as UK or France...it would be similar to Korea or post-war Japan (if we consider their were/are two tiers of US allies,equals and lesser than equals)...the US would help you build India as a stronger economic power but probably with a huge military base in the north to counter China.
we could not ally with the west because our leaders(freedom fighters against colonialism) considered socialism as more just system, there was inherent moral issue allying with countries that has the system which subjugated us.
With benefit of hindsight we might think communism brought us misery, but if I was fighting against capitalist imperialists, communism in 40s and 50s will give me hope and an alternative to aspire to. Many of our leaders were seduced by success of soviets in the field of science, sports and even art, Nehru himself wanted to build India based on science and rationalism.
 
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Japanese were driven back after suffering their greatest defeat with 55,000 dead in the Battle of Kohima but just imagine if Japanese Army with INA support would have succeeded in occupying India.

Resource mining from India which provided the allies with logistics, men, money and materials - all critical parts of their fighting machine - would have been stopped and subverted. Same resources would have powered the Axis Engine and perhaps would have turned the tide of WW2. In such a scenario what would have happened to India?

Let us try to analyze this objectively. Notion that Japanese would view India as an equal partner or ally is borne out romanticism and no hard facts

What do we know for sure?

1. They had an history of racial discrimination even against their Eastern counterparts in Korea and China
2. Japanese had no democratic values and were imperialistic to the core
3. There was a minimal chance that they would have allowed even the smallest of liberties to the Indian Population
4. British themselves were highly divided over the continued occupation of India. US infact was continually pressurizing them to withdraw hence a non violent independence was a forgone conclusion even the minds of occupiers.

To dislodge the victorious Japanese supported by Nazis would have been a herculean task requiring an armed revolt from a populace who was pacifist for the most case. Further while the west appreciated the foolish ideals of Gandhi, Japanese and Germans would have no qualms sending all dissenters to the gas chambers. While British took our resources, Japanese and Germans would have taken our women for comfort and our men would have been pressed into slave gangs.

Just Imagine defeating them with the Gandhian ideology -The same ideology which advised the Jews to practically commit suicide in face of Nazi genocide in order to invoke sympathy from them.

The other portion is Bose himself - No doubt he would have been made the head of a puppet government. Would he have been as liberal as Nehru and Gandhi? He did not have the organizational strength of Congress backing him up which would have formed the backbone of a new government. Would congress have welcomed him back as a leader above and beyond Nehru, Gandhi and Patel?

The last part is the most disturbing - Even if everything turned out well - By some miracles Nazis and Japanese treated us brown Indians not as filthy subhumans but as equal partners and Bose established a democratic India - still is it worth it? Do we want it at the cost of pre-eminent powers of world being genocidal Nazis and Japanese? Would we have been safe from them? Would they not like all imperialistic powers turn their gaze over defenseless India after sating themselves on the European and American meat?

The only good thing in this alternate reality (from my perspective) is that partition wouldn't have happened and Islamic radicalism which has almost destroyed so many Muslim countries would never have taken root.

In the hypothetical scenario, just to state that had the Japanese won the war (not just the battle of Kohima) India would have fallen into a tyrannical autocracy under Bose is simply an underestimation of the three decades of powerful secular mass movements(of which Bose was a gleaming participant), fostered by Gandhi and a gross disregard of the financial and administrative bureaucracy which unified India into a political and geographical entity. If Bose became head of the state, India still would have walked the path of a liberal, socialist democracy if we take Bose's reiterations on his different ideological, spiritual and political contemplations into our considerations.

Future often makes a typical and erratic interpretation of the losing side of the past. Bose might have been a romantic Idealist, but was not Gandhi and Nehru too, the two founding fathers of modern India? His attempt to negotiate with Germany and Japan had often drawn harsh criticisms and contemptuously described him as an admirer of fascism. But a simple, casual look in the history would have show us how both Britain and France in the initial years of the third Reich ardently admired the Nazis and how prominent Industrialists and politicians in the US fell into the hands of Nazi racial theories.

Those who call him a fascist are often seen heaping praise for the Soviets whose historical atrocity against the Poles goes completely unnoticed deliberately. In the most inexorable sense, Bose might be called an 'opportunist' who became irritated with the growing lack of decisiveness in the upper Congressi ranks and felt for an immediate revolution to throw out the British.Bose tried the above within constitutional framework of Congress but was refused by Gandhi. Ironically Gandhi resorted to the idea that Bose was trying to convince him to adopt but it was too late.

Lastly, about the safety of India from Nazis and the Japanese; India is too vast and too populated country for these two even combined to be ruled. It took the British hundred years to bring it into its iron grip and once the chain of continuity broken and with the emergence of a new, politically aware India led by the civil movements of Congress it had become virtually impossible for a new power to emulate the British.
 
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If Japan had one and has taken even parts of Eastern part of India, they would have been far worse than the British.
The Alliance with USSR ended up with India being infiltrated with way too many commies and socialists. On the other hand US actually at that time helped their allies, US allies were economically far off than USSR. IF thing were inverted and we had USA as allies and not USSR, i would assume India right now would be in a far different position.

3. How can you say that - Infact none of Russian allies are prosperous on the other hand look at how Europe was rebuilt, How Japan was rebuilt, Look at South Korea and even Look at Pakistan which was doing much better than India before they had an organ failure in form of Zia.
Let me tell you there's no way America would have supported India.

20 October 1947- two months and six days after Pakistan's independence, the United States established relations with Pakistan, making it amongst the first nations to establish relations with the new state. That's how early Pakistan was approached by the Americans.
The pro-American Muslim league was only too happy to extend their hands to US.
1954- America made Pakistan a Central Treaty Organization (CENTO) treaty-ally.
1955- Nehru visited USSR, and from then on USSR starter to support India.

America always preferred Pakistan over India.


1. We never know! Nukes have a habit of slipping through in dark - more so for US allies :) Think - Pakistan, Israel, France and UK versus India and China. 4 vs 2 record. Ya, I know Pakistan can go either side but still US closed it's eyes at the least.
I can't post the real story or I will be muzzled. But let me tell you they obtained nuke tech due to lax security methods. America overlooked Khan's program in order to gain Pakistani support against the USSR in Afghanistan.
We got nuclear tech for similar reasons. Isn't it?
2. Simple, US would have vetoed. Infact to be honest Russians were quite stingy of Veto powers. Had it not been for Russian stinginess and double dealing in 65, boundaries of the subcontinent would have been different

Well, it so happened that US, UK, France and Turkey proposed a resolution condemning the Indian invasion on Goa. It called upon India to withdraw its forces immediately to “the positions prevailing before December 17 1961”.
Moscow’s veto blew away the resolution. As, S.R. Sharma writes in India-USSR Relations – Volume 1: “The (Russian) veto saved India from a very awkward situation as the West was determined to get a ceasefire and withdrawal resolution passed in the Security Council.".
 
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In the hypothetical scenario, just to state that had the Japanese won the war (not just the battle of Kohima) India would have fallen into a tyrannical autocracy under Bose is simply an underestimation of the three decades of powerful secular mass movements(of which Bose was a gleaming participant), fostered by Gandhi and a gross disregard of the financial and administrative bureaucracy which unified India into a political and geographical entity. If Bose became head of the state, India still would have walked the path of a liberal, socialist democracy if we take Bose's reiterations on his different ideological, spiritual and political contemplations into our considerations..

A point to debate would be whether the Japanese would have simply handed Bose the reigns of power & walked off? Very doubtful. Bose's idealism & commitment is not what gets questioned, his naivety perhaps. The INA & Japanese record in the Andamans hardly augured well for any pan India occupation by Japanese forces. Bose wasn't an equal partner, it would have been very doubtful that he would have been treated as such.
 
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The pro-American Muslim league was only too happy to extend their hands to US.
1954- America made Pakistan a Central Treaty Organization (CENTO) treaty-ally.
1955- Nehru visited USSR, and from then on USSR starter to support India.

We were offered a seat in the UN security council by America, our bright communist leaders gave it in a platter to China. America went to Pakistan, most likely because of the idiot commie liberals...
 
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Or they thought a fledgling state was easier to manipulate.

We were not a golden bird either.

Famines used to come every year and by mid 50's, situtation was comparable to Bengal Famine. Soviet was in no position to help and we did not have any forex. US came to our rescue with "in"famous PL-480. Its just that our leaders were too stubborn (stupid perhaps ?) to continue ranting against US imperialism while feeding Indians with US donated wheat.

If US really was against India, we would have starved to death. One must not forget such things.
 
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Some counter questions...
  1. Don't you think he played the role he played to help India in a larger scheme of things?
  2. I was watching a documentary on him, Discovery Network(please note: i don't have much knowledge about him). I have a question, did he really die? i think he went missing on a plane, please correct me if i am wrong.
This image was also shown in the documentary...
netaji-VH1YY.gif


@Spectre ,@PARIKRAMA ,@scorpionx ....


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Aftermath
Conspiracy theories began immediately after his death, believing that Bose had not actually died but lived on instead.[1][75] These theorists also demanded the declassification of various top secret files in the Indian government about his death called the "Netaji files". Subsequent Indian government have declined declassification, arguing that it would cause "law and order problems" in India, along with a potential "spoiling" Indian relations with other nations.[75] In December 2014, the government of Narendra Modi continued to decline declassification, dropping the law and order rationale, but due to concerns over Indian international relations.[75]
 
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If US really was against India, we would have starved to death. One must not forget such things.

That we should never forget. Unfortunately, not many now know, let alone choose to remember.
 
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That we should never forget. Unfortunately, not many now know, let alone choose to remember.

Not just this,almost all the books from Tata McGraw Hill,affiliated east west publishers,Wiley India were reprinted in India by Indian publishers with a subsidy from the PL 480 funds and sold at about 1/5th of the U.S. price.

While I am grateful to Soviets for helping our armed forces and steel factories, I simply can not over look the fact that my older generations survived on American donated wheat in 50's and 60's and then helped by an american Dr. Borlaug to bring in Green revolution. I myself, have studied Low price editions books subsidized by American money.

One has to wonder, what would have happened if we had aligned with west ( as probably Rajaji wanted).
 
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A point to debate would be whether the Japanese would have simply handed Bose the reigns of power & walked off? Very doubtful. Bose's idealism & commitment is not what gets questioned, his naivety perhaps. The INA & Japanese record in the Andamans hardly augured well for any pan India occupation by Japanese forces. Bose wasn't an equal partner, it would have been very doubtful that he would have been treated as such.
Not for a single moment I doubt that Japanese in the beginning of the war had territorial ambition in India. They wanted merely 2000 flag bearers out of a massive 40,000 force while conquering India. But things started changing after Bose met Tojo who eventually scrapped the idea of territorial occupation in India. Even if they had any such plan (which could only be confirmed after declassification of secret papers) one may wonder how they could have maintained it. Japan despite their stunning Industrial progress was no Britain and USA whose naval presence in the seas both East and West of India would have posed constant threats to the empire in near future. Not only the Japanese supply chain over the land was precariously over stretched making it enormously vulnerable to insurgency, they lacked the administrative and financial capacity to run Indian and the Chinese at a same time. It would have been a strategic nightmare for them.

Some counter questions...
  1. Don't you think he played the role he played to help India in a larger scheme of things?
  2. I was watching a documentary on him, Discovery Network(please note: i don't have much knowledge about him). I have a question, did he really die? i think he went missing on a plane, please correct me if i am wrong.
This image was also shown in the documentary...
netaji-VH1YY.gif


@Spectre ,@PARIKRAMA ,@scorpionx ....


Edit:
Aftermath
Conspiracy theories began immediately after his death, believing that Bose had not actually died but lived on instead.[1][75] These theorists also demanded the declassification of various top secret files in the Indian government about his death called the "Netaji files". Subsequent Indian government have declined declassification, arguing that it would cause "law and order problems" in India, along with a potential "spoiling" Indian relations with other nations.[75] In December 2014, the government of Narendra Modi continued to decline declassification, dropping the law and order rationale, but due to concerns over Indian international relations.[75]

The closest resemblance of Netaji so far goes to Gumnami Baba of Faizabad. The stories about this man are amazing though I am still skeptical about it.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...in-Gumnami-Babas-box/articleshow/51418215.cms
 
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Some counter questions...
  1. Don't you think he played the role he played to help India in a larger scheme of things?
  2. I was watching a documentary on him, Discovery Network(please note: i don't have much knowledge about him). I have a question, did he really die? i think he went missing on a plane, please correct me if i am wrong.
This image was also shown in the documentary...
netaji-VH1YY.gif


@Spectre ,@PARIKRAMA ,@scorpionx ....


Edit:
Aftermath
Conspiracy theories began immediately after his death, believing that Bose had not actually died but lived on instead.[1][75] These theorists also demanded the declassification of various top secret files in the Indian government about his death called the "Netaji files". Subsequent Indian government have declined declassification, arguing that it would cause "law and order problems" in India, along with a potential "spoiling" Indian relations with other nations.[75] In December 2014, the government of Narendra Modi continued to decline declassification, dropping the law and order rationale, but due to concerns over Indian international relations.[75]

Point 2
His death is a topic which will run into many threads but both sides (he died in plane crash and he did nt) have circumstantial evidence to support their theories

About that pic, let me add more news
50148721.cms




The article
In the first ever visual evidence of Subhas Bose two decades after he was declared dead in an alleged plane crash, Netaji researchers have produced a forensic face-mapping report by a British expert that has found strong resemblance between Bose and a man photographed with former PM Lal Bahadur Shastri during the Indo-Pak peace talks in Tashkent in 1966.

Citing the forensic report, the team has urged PM Narendra Modi to press Russian President Vladimir Putin to disclose the truth during his visit to Moscow later this month. If the photographs are indeed those of Netaji, they nullify two theories — that he died in an air crash in Taihoku in 1945 and that he was executed by Joseph Stalin in the early 1950s.

According to Neil Miller, who has presented expert opinion in cases at UK high courts and the International Court of Justice in Hague, the face mapping of the mystery man seen in the Tashkent "lends support leaning on strong support to the contention that the person seen in the picture and Subhas Chandra Bose are one and the same person".

50148721.cms


The face-mapping report lends credence to a claim made by Shastri's kin that he may have spoken to Netaji during his Tashkent visit. Shastri mysteriously died of a heart attack in Tashkent on January 11, 1966. The former PM's grandson, Sanjay Nath Singh, who was nine then, recounted that during a phone conversation barely an hour before he was declared dead, Shastri had said he would disclose something on return that would make the Opposition forget everything else.

The forensic face mapping was commissioned by former Mission Netaji member and Dutch national of Indian origin Siddhartha Satbhai. The 36-year-old software professional, who had earlier highlighted the 'Paris Man' (an unidentified bearded man resembling Bose posing as a journalist in a group photo taken in Paris on January 25, 1969 during the Vietnam peace talks between the US and North Vietnam), sourced photographs and video footage from a variety of sources — British Pathe Online video archive, Topham Picture Point in UK's Kent, RIA Novosti in Russia and Chughtai Museum in Pakistan's Lahore as well as from the Anonymous Group—and had them analyzed by Miller.

Miller examined the evidence for a month and then submitted a 62-page report last month where he noted that there were noticeable similarities in the facial features including ears, eyes, forehead, nose, lips and chin. The differences like hairline could be attributed to image quality, capture angles and items such as glasses and clothing that mask certain areas.

"Serious consideration must be given to the contention that the Tashkent Man (TM) and Subhas Chandra Bose (SCB) share very similar facial features and could potentially be one and the same person. In a level of support scale, the imagery—both still and moving—lends support leaning towards strong support to the contention that TM and SCB are one and the same person," the report noted.

The confirmation could have been stronger had the resolution of photographs and video footage been better. In all the cases, the Tashkent man appear behind others and, therefore, at a distance from cameras that was focused primarily on Shastri, Pakistan President Muhammad Ayub Khan and Russian statesman Alexei Kosygin.

A team of researchers and Netaji followers in Kolkata helped Satbhai raise £800 to pay Miller's fee. Though they had initially tried to rope in an Indian expert, no one was willing to take it up. They then turned to an international expert and felt the report would be more credible as the examination would be free of biases.

Once the report arrived, they followed it up with RTI applications to the ministry of external affairs inquiring about the identity of the Tashkent man. The government initially did not send a reply and then referred the matter to different desks, which said they had no information.

The team comprises Netaji's great grand-niece Rajyashri Chowdhury, nephrologist Shankar Kumar Chatterjee, researcher and deponent before the Justice Mukhejee Commission Jayanta Chowdhury and Netaji activist Debasish Sen among others.
"During his meeting with the Bose family in October, the PM had said he would personally speak to Putin about Netaji files. Now that there is a forensic report by an international expert that points to a strong possibility of Netaji's presence in Tashkent in 1966, he should present it to Putin and seek Russia's cooperation to unravel the truth," said Chowdhury.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Subhas-Chandra-Bose/articleshow/50147078.cms?

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Coming back to the point 1
He like many others played a pivotal part. When you cook a good recipe you need right ingredients as well. Bose is one of those ingredients like Gandhi and Nehru and Patel and many others. The main ingredient may have been Gandhi Nehru and few selected ones but Bose was also an important one which added the right flavour of so called patriotism

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@Spectre
I have requested @Joe Shearer to come back and add his views here.

I am very blunt when i will say that if Japan won the war and Bose was coming back to India as the one who got India its independence.. my choice of words may be harsh but he might have been a Shogun and whole India his Shogunate.
Shogun, Shogunate and subjugation under the Emperor and atrocities, issues and economic exploitation is clearly known.

Bose is a man who needs a ambition to run after and unite the whole country to follow his vision. Post independence his ambition will be what? If expecting a military man to turn into a secular politician for rebuilding a nation and revive it from great economic issues and famine,poverty and security risks will be too much to ask for.

On top whenever the Emperor will need more "men" the Shogun Bose will provide them without any issues and keep the supply route ON forever. On top west had many nations who would challenge and keep challenging Shogun Bose so to keep his Shogunate safe will be tough task unless he mended ways with the other western powers.
 
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@Spectre

Alternative history is never easy. Anything can happen. But if the Japanese had won, then we would have been worse off than China was under them. Remember that China was an independent nation by the time the Japanese started their war of aggression against her. The Japanese would never have treated India differently; in fact, their record of treating Indian prisoners, not just the ordinary brutality that they inflicted on all prisoners, but their use as targets for firing practice, shows what would have been the norm in an occupied India.

There will be those who talk enthusiastically about the INA and about Subhash Bose; unfortunately, those were just pawns, to the Japanese, they were never given anything more than superficial control over themselves. Again, a brief look into history will make the point. Whether in Korea, or in China, through their catspaws in Manchukuo, or in any other country, including Burma, they encouraged a faction that would cooperate with their military administration and not ask too many questions. Day to day governance always remained firmly in the hands of the Japanese.

But Bose and the INA were what gave India her independence, according to dozens of emotional Indians, especially Bengalis, and to those who routinely, almost professionally hate Nehru and the Congress in general, for no reason much more convincing than that the Congress represented the 'in' people, those whose word in the right ear could move the levers of power, and they, the critics, identified themselves, whether for education, for social status, or for profession or professional status, with the 'out' people, those whose voices could be raised high but were not heard.

This is a distortion. It is the jaundiced vision of two distinct sets of people: one, the westernised professional who feels faintly embarrassed at the primitive whiff of Gandhi's popularism and habits and practices, those who spontaneously turn the conversation away from Nehru and the flirtation with the enemies of the west that the India of the first thirty odd years of her existence conjured up in the minds of these Indians, even if these were no longer the pictures conjured up in the minds of their daily life associates.

The other is point of view of those who have convinced themselves that the abstention of their forebears and intellectual leadership from the rigours and pains of the physical and intellectual struggle against the British Empire was in fact a disguise for a greater loyalty, to a greater struggle yet, more profound in nature than the struggle against the Raj. This was the struggle against the creeping westernisation, the so-called modernisation that disguised the subversion of an ancient and eminent civilisation that exceeded the western world in every possible way, but had been reduced to silence by a series of military conquests. That, too, became part of scripture; the conscious and deliberate destruction of an old way of life by the weight of the sword and through the near-ethnic cleansing of generations of Indians at the hanof cruel, barbaric practitioners of a primitive religion. It is difficult to suppress the feeling of the simplistic that a reversal was the answer, that giving the invaders sitting in our midst a taste of their own medicine, of robbery, murder, rape of their women, forcible conversion, attacks on their cultural attributes.......all these are now considered legitimate weapons for achieving redressal of ancient and ongoing wrongs inflicted by a brutal minority on a suffering minority. And what better way to start than by inflicting a sharp military defeat on the latest invader, with the help of Asian allies?

The truth, as always, lies in between. It was not Gokhale and Jinnah's constitutionalism, it was not Gandhi's raising of the masses and his unabashed appeals to the strongest emotional levers of the farming or working Indian, and it was not Bose's failed attempt at a military solution that brought the British to leave, finally. That makes it appear that they were grimly determined to hang on till eternity. A travesty of the truth. The Minto-Morley Reforms of 1919 were just the first step. The rising tempo of reform and attempted empowerment then reached a peak with the Government of India Act, 1935, which eerily anticipates much of what the Indian Constitution and its makers thought of fifteen years alter. Of course, that is irony; of course, the constitution makers obviously looked back at the 1935 Act and picked up whatever appealed to them. That is not the point. The point is the rising belief within the British that they had to let go at some time or the other, and that it should be done in a planned and systematic manner, justifying all they had done in their time as a necessary prelude to the handing over of power to the native Indian.

This, then, the realisation that Britain could not rule India for ever, and the growing belief that preliminary action had to be taken, without delay, was the fourth factor. There was, as it happens, a fifth as well.

Britain had just won a war, and had just entered into a new social contract, and was tired of Empire. What the majority who had given their vote about the nature of the forming of the post-war world did not want was another round in a conflict that had no glory at the end of it, that could be seen, no huge rewards, in fact, the contrary, and no huge opportunity for their gainful employment. Britain wanted to get out of India.

Which of these factors, then, should we hold pre-eminent? Why, none, for none was above the others. Let us simply remain thankful for what we have and what we easily might have missed out on having; Bose wanted a period of ten to fifteen years of military rule. Does that sound familiar? And would his pre-empting Ayub have got us further ahead?

Somehow I doubt it.


As penned by @Joe Shearer

@PARIKRAMA have posted it. Told him to do so himself. But he is hesitating
 
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@Spectre

Alternative history is never easy. Anything can happen. But if the Japanese had won, then we would have been worse off than China was under them. Remember that China was an independent nation by the time the Japanese started their war of aggression against her. The Japanese would never have treated India differently; in fact, their record of treating Indian prisoners, not just the ordinary brutality that they inflicted on all prisoners, but their use as targets for firing practice, shows what would have been the norm in an occupied India.

There will be those who talk enthusiastically about the INA and about Subhash Bose; unfortunately, those were just pawns, to the Japanese, they were never given anything more than superficial control over themselves. Again, a brief look into history will make the point. Whether in Korea, or in China, through their catspaws in Manchukuo, or in any other country, including Burma, they encouraged a faction that would cooperate with their military administration and not ask too many questions. Day to day governance always remained firmly in the hands of the Japanese.

But Bose and the INA were what gave India her independence, according to dozens of emotional Indians, especially Bengalis, and to those who routinely, almost professionally hate Nehru and the Congress in general, for no reason much more convincing than that the Congress represented the 'in' people, those whose word in the right ear could move the levers of power, and they, the critics, identified themselves, whether for education, for social status, or for profession or professional status, with the 'out' people, those whose voices could be raised high but were not heard.

This is a distortion. It is the jaundiced vision of two distinct sets of people: one, the westernised professional who feels faintly embarrassed at the primitive whiff of Gandhi's popularism and habits and practices, those who spontaneously turn the conversation away from Nehru and the flirtation with the enemies of the west that the India of the first thirty odd years of her existence conjured up in the minds of these Indians, even if these were no longer the pictures conjured up in the minds of their daily life associates.

The other is point of view of those who have convinced themselves that the abstention of their forebears and intellectual leadership from the rigours and pains of the physical and intellectual struggle against the British Empire was in fact a disguise for a greater loyalty, to a greater struggle yet, more profound in nature than the struggle against the Raj. This was the struggle against the creeping westernisation, the so-called modernisation that disguised the subversion of an ancient and eminent civilisation that exceeded the western world in every possible way, but had been reduced to silence by a series of military conquests. That, too, became part of scripture; the conscious and deliberate destruction of an old way of life by the weight of the sword and through the near-ethnic cleansing of generations of Indians at the hanof cruel, barbaric practitioners of a primitive religion. It is difficult to suppress the feeling of the simplistic that a reversal was the answer, that giving the invaders sitting in our midst a taste of their own medicine, of robbery, murder, rape of their women, forcible conversion, attacks on their cultural attributes.......all these are now considered legitimate weapons for achieving redressal of ancient and ongoing wrongs inflicted by a brutal minority on a suffering minority. And what better way to start than by inflicting a sharp military defeat on the latest invader, with the help of Asian allies?

The truth, as always, lies in between. It was not Gokhale and Jinnah's constitutionalism, it was not Gandhi's raising of the masses and his unabashed appeals to the strongest emotional levers of the farming or working Indian, and it was not Bose's failed attempt at a military solution that brought the British to leave, finally. That makes it appear that they were grimly determined to hang on till eternity. A travesty of the truth. The Minto-Morley Reforms of 1919 were just the first step. The rising tempo of reform and attempted empowerment then reached a peak with the Government of India Act, 1935, which eerily anticipates much of what the Indian Constitution and its makers thought of fifteen years alter. Of course, that is irony; of course, the constitution makers obviously looked back at the 1935 Act and picked up whatever appealed to them. That is not the point. The point is the rising belief within the British that they had to let go at some time or the other, and that it should be done in a planned and systematic manner, justifying all they had done in their time as a necessary prelude to the handing over of power to the native Indian.

This, then, the realisation that Britain could not rule India for ever, and the growing belief that preliminary action had to be taken, without delay, was the fourth factor. There was, as it happens, a fifth as well.

Britain had just won a war, and had just entered into a new social contract, and was tired of Empire. What the majority who had given their vote about the nature of the forming of the post-war world did not want was another round in a conflict that had no glory at the end of it, that could be seen, no huge rewards, in fact, the contrary, and no huge opportunity for their gainful employment. Britain wanted to get out of India.

Which of these factors, then, should we hold pre-eminent? Why, none, for none was above the others. Let us simply remain thankful for what we have and what we easily might have missed out on having; Bose wanted a period of ten to fifteen years of military rule. Does that sound familiar? And would his pre-empting Ayub have got us further ahead?

Somehow I doubt it.


As penned by @Joe Shearer

@PARIKRAMA have posted it. Told him to do so himself. But he is hesitating

Yes i got a go ahead from him as well.. Good you posted it

Also I am tagging the people
@jbgt90 @waz @WAJsal @Oscar @Icarus @Syed.Ali.Haider (Joe sir remembers you by VCheng), @RAMPAGE @Spectre @MilSpec @scorpionx @MilSpec

Hope you folks may add inputs on this thread
 
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