Should there be Arab Defense section any more ?

[Mahmoud_EGY]

After the latest in series of horrific scenes of massacre we saw in Gaza

no way worse than those in Syria

Or those in Iraq

the cowardly response of " Oh I See" (OIC)

Are the billions upon billions of defense dollars spent in Arab world worth it ?

and what has pakistan done for them Egypt fought 4 wars and our economy is suffering because of arab nationalism untill now dont be like erdogan all he can do is empty words

 

[FaujHistorian]

and what has pakistan done for them Egypt fought 4 wars and our economy is suffering because of arab nationalism untill now dont be like erdogan all he can do is empty words

Please ignore them bro.

They may barely know enough to harm themselves and themselves only.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Please ignore them bro.

The may barely know enough to harm themselves and themselves only.

i have to say i dont mean any insult to pakistan i was just saying it is easy to tell anyone to go to war it is hard to do it yourself

 

[FaujHistorian]

i have to say i dont mean any insult to pakistan i was just saying it is easy to tell anyone to go to war it is hard to do it yourself

none taken.

I had said the same thing in one of the zillion threads on Gaza opened by the hot-headed posters of Pakistani origin.

 

[A.Rafay]

Remove Arab defence section, Create a separate section for saudi arabia and israel Under "Middleeast"

 

[Sedqal]

Arab section should stay, this thread is ridiculous.

 

[mughal arslan shah mirza]

I voted 'yes' as there's more to these sections than just talking about military hard-ware etc. We can always talk about ancient Arab culture, language, geography, food etc. while talking about current geo-politics

 

[Sinnerman108]

i have to say i dont mean any insult to pakistan i was just saying it is easy to tell anyone to go to war it is hard to do it yourself

When was the last time you had a look at the map ?

Since you asked you must be told. In spite of limited resource and geographical distances Pakistan
allowed for eased visa regime for Palestinians,
It allowed for quotas be kept at subsidized fee for medical and engineering university students.

Here is a Wiki extract

Pakistan bought 250,000 rifles in Czechoslovakia that apparently were meant for the Arabs. Also, it became known that Pakistan bought three planes in Italy for the Egyptians.[2] The Pakistan Air-Force participated in the 1967 and 1973 Arab–Israeli wars, Pakistani pilots flying Jordanian and Syrian planes downed some Israeli planes,whereas in the 1982 battle for Beirut between Israel and the PLO, fifty Pakistani volunteers serving in the PLO were taken prisoner by Israel. After the 1973 war, Pakistan and the PLO signed an agreement for training PLO officers in Pakistani military institutions.[3] Pakistan and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had developed close ties. The PLO was first recognized as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians at an Islamic summit in Lahore in February 1974

Here is what the Pakistani passport looks like

I don't know why we the Pakistanis had to take on the world's wrath for such a stance !

Whereas the Arabs themselves have diplomatic relations with Israel.
How is the gas sale going btw ?
Now @Mahmoud_EGY be very happy no one is asking what Egypt has done, you will be in a lot of problem if asked.

@FaujHistorian Qibla some information for you to keep in mind !

 

[livingdead]

Arab defence section is for news and discussion related to that area, not to defend all arabs. If we get more news and forum activity related to specific country (say KSA) it will be divided.
This thread makes no sense.

 

[FaujHistorian]

When was the last time you had a look at the map ?

Since you asked you must be told. In spite of limited resource and geographical distances Pakistan
allowed for eased visa regime for Palestinians,
It allowed for quotas be kept at subsidized fee for medical and engineering university students.

Here is a Wiki extract

Pakistan bought 250,000 rifles in Czechoslovakia that apparently were meant for the Arabs. Also, it became known that Pakistan bought three planes in Italy for the Egyptians.[2] The Pakistan Air-Force participated in the 1967 and 1973 Arab–Israeli wars, Pakistani pilots flying Jordanian and Syrian planes downed some Israeli planes,whereas in the 1982 battle for Beirut between Israel and the PLO, fifty Pakistani volunteers serving in the PLO were taken prisoner by Israel. After the 1973 war, Pakistan and the PLO signed an agreement for training PLO officers in Pakistani military institutions.[3] Pakistan and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had developed close ties. The PLO was first recognized as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians at an Islamic summit in Lahore in February 1974

Here is what the Pakistani passport looks like

I don't know why we the Pakistanis had to take on the world's wrath for such a stance !

Whereas the Arabs themselves have diplomatic relations with Israel.
How is the gas sale going btw ?
Now @Mahmoud_EGY be very happy no one is asking what Egypt has done, you will be in a lot of problem if asked.

@FaujHistorian Qibla some information for you to keep in mind !

And what did we gain from this $tupid policy

And

how did it hurt Israel

Or help militants in Gaza?


running around like crazy shouting fire fire fire

while the whole city burns down.

is that what you praise as "good and sane policies" of Pakistan.

Why would you fail to understand that militants with same stone age ideology as hammas have also killed 50,000+ Pakistanis.

Why are so many of our posters and educated elite so blind?

 

[KingMamba]

When was the last time you had a look at the map ?

Since you asked you must be told. In spite of limited resource and geographical distances Pakistan
allowed for eased visa regime for Palestinians,
It allowed for quotas be kept at subsidized fee for medical and engineering university students.

Here is a Wiki extract

Pakistan bought 250,000 rifles in Czechoslovakia that apparently were meant for the Arabs. Also, it became known that Pakistan bought three planes in Italy for the Egyptians.[2] The Pakistan Air-Force participated in the 1967 and 1973 Arab–Israeli wars, Pakistani pilots flying Jordanian and Syrian planes downed some Israeli planes,whereas in the 1982 battle for Beirut between Israel and the PLO, fifty Pakistani volunteers serving in the PLO were taken prisoner by Israel. After the 1973 war, Pakistan and the PLO signed an agreement for training PLO officers in Pakistani military institutions.[3] Pakistan and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had developed close ties. The PLO was first recognized as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians at an Islamic summit in Lahore in February 1974

Here is what the Pakistani passport looks like

I don't know why we the Pakistanis had to take on the world's wrath for such a stance !

Whereas the Arabs themselves have diplomatic relations with Israel.
How is the gas sale going btw ?
Now @Mahmoud_EGY be very happy no one is asking what Egypt has done, you will be in a lot of problem if asked.

@FaujHistorian Qibla some information for you to keep in mind !

Looks like Pakistan has been shooting itself in the foot for a while.

 

[Frogman]

Since you asked you must be told. In spite of limited resource and geographical distances Pakistan
allowed for eased visa regime for Palestinians,
It allowed for quotas be kept at subsidized fee for medical and engineering university students.

And that is appreciated, however, the Arab states continue to shoulder the overwhelming burden of Palestinian refugees even though they themselves have limited resources, Jordan for instance houses hundreds of thousands of Pali refugees and they have successfully integrated there. Geographical distance is irrelevant with modern aviation and the relaxation of visa regulations for certain nations is a normal and rather easy practice.Again, that does not mean Pakistans contributions are not appreciated.

Pakistan bought 250,000 rifles in Czechoslovakia that apparently were meant for the Arabs. Also, it became known that Pakistan bought three planes in Italy for the Egyptians.[2] The Pakistan Air-Force participated in the 1967 and 1973 Arab–Israeli wars, Pakistani pilots flying Jordanian and Syrian planes downed some Israeli planes,whereas in the 1982 battle for Beirut between Israel and the PLO, fifty Pakistani volunteers serving in the PLO were taken prisoner by Israel. After the 1973 war, Pakistan and the PLO signed an agreement for training PLO officers in Pakistani military institutions.[3] Pakistan and thePalestine Liberation Organization (PLO) had developed close ties. The PLO was first recognized as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians at an Islamic summit in Lahore in February 1974

Pakistans contributions during the Arab Israeli conflict have been well documented and are well recognised.

I don't know why we the Pakistanis had to take on the world's wrath for such a stance

Pakistan does not incur the worlds wrath because of its views towards the Israelis, in fact no one really cares what its stance on Israel is in the international community. Pakistan has incurred the international communities wrath mainly for perceptions that it harbours and creates terrorists (in the past and present). Its relationship with an entity that is as you said geographically distant is really of no consequence globally. Even if Pakistan wanted to normalise relations with Israel, the result would not be fruitful nor significant.

Whereas the Arabs themselves have diplomatic relations with Israel.

As a result of decades of war and over a hundred thousand fathers, brothers, and children dead. That is the real toll of war, one which Pakistan has not had to pay against the Zionist entity. Peace, even if cold was inevitable, perpetual war simply was not possible.

How is the gas sale going btw ?

Shows how much you know about Egypt, really.

Now @@Mahmoud_EGY be very happy no one is asking what Egypt has done, you will be in a lot of problem if asked.

War of Israeli independence, Suez Canal crisis, 1967, the war of attrition, and the October War. Now tell me what has Egypt done?

Please expose us.

You are a troll, a bad one at that. You either completely misunderstand the intricacies of the Arab Israeli relationship or refuse to do so because of a delusional and backward mindset. You argue against having an Arab Defence section, my defence is as follows:

Pakistan had several officers graduate from Egypt's college of staff this year.
Pakistan continues to have deep military relations with Jordan, Saudi, and Egypt (among other nations).
Pakistan has annual exercises with or involving Arab nations.
Pakistan is a member of several Arab institutions, OIC for example.
Pakistan needs the Arabs, as much as the Arabs need Pakistan.

Now bugger off.

 

[Sinnerman108]

And what did we gain from this $tupid policy

And

how did it hurt Israel

Or help militants in Gaza?


running around like crazy shouting fire fire fire

while the whole city burns down.

is that what you praise as "good and sane policies" of Pakistan.

Why would you fail to understand that militants with same stone age ideology as hammas have also killed 50,000+ Pakistanis.

Why are so many of our posters and educated elite so blind?

I never said we achieved anything out of it;
If anything we lost greatly due to that position.
I was only correcting and answering Mahmoud.

Pakistan does not incur the worlds wrath because of its views towards the Israelis, in fact no one really cares what its stance on Israel is in the international community. Pakistan has incurred the international communities wrath mainly for perceptions that it harbours and creates terrorists (in the past and present). Its relationship with an entity that is as you said geographically distant is really of no consequence globally. Even if Pakistan wanted to normalise relations with Israel, the result would not be fruitful nor significant

Well, NO
Israelis make their presence felt by engaging India.
Thus making us pay for our anti Israel stance.

Nevertheless I don't know if you understood my stance; your reply seems disproportionate.

 

[Indischer]

Are Syrians considered Arabs? Because if Yes, I don't see anyone asking if the Arab Defence Section should be closed down since no Arab Nation has gone to the aid of Syria in it's fight against insurgents there. Same goes with Iraq.

Are all such ideas of Pan-Arab unity only warranted against Israel?

 

[Ceylal]

They spend that money to protect their own countries not Gaza.

Palestinians by now should have realized that Arab countries can't help them.

Palestinians, are in all honesty themselves to blames. I am not talking here about the lambda Palestinian who is enduring the weight of a harsh life in an apartheid system, but their elite who refused to listen to some countries known as the Front of refusal, who went broke for the Palestinian question to prefer the advice of Egypt, Saudi arabia and their coattails. Now, we are witnessing the errance of Yasser Arafat and his PLO...
The one who were coaching Arafat are either jailed (Mubarek) dead or senile, and rich (PLO's) with villas in Morocco while Palestine is shrinking to nothingless.

Palestinians should rely on themselves...period..!.The map above should tell them that relying on Arabs is not paying off and will never payoff....