Should Kashmir get a chance to decide their future through Referendum?

[American Pakistani]

Arey muhajir Dalit, Jammu is its own area. Why would Jammu join Kashmir in Muslim failed state? You are a failed state okay, stop denying it, just ask the UN.
Here's Indian cities, tell me which is the failed state.
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Show me one pakistani city that has a skyline like that Dalit muhajir boy LOL

@Horus @WebMaster @Oscar @Chak Bamu

Kindly shut this troll back into his cage. Seems like he is an expert in making duplicate ids.

 

[Valkyrie]

With current economy and terrorist crisis in Pakistan, i don't think Kashmir will be going towards Pakistan.

Economy and Law and order are temporary setbacks, a rough phase. What's more important is the ethnic, religious and cultural bond people of Pakistan and Kashmir share.

 

[Valkyrie]

The maharaja had the right to make his choice- who the hell are you to question that?

I'm no one to question. It's the people of Kashmir who have the right to do so and it has been denied ever since India occupied Kashmir.

 

[American Pakistani]

Lower class muhajir Dalit convert doesn't have any reply.
I see you on this forum constantly calling yourself Sindhi, confused chutiya. You should say that to a real Sindhi.

It's funny when an "Indian" talk like this...

I would like to say,

Imagine if a monkey from forests of Angola have this attitude towards an American.

 

[Valkyrie]

Not Jammu and Ladakh though.

Agreed. If people of Jammu and Ladakh don't want to remain a part of Kashmir they should have the right to break away and chose their fate.

 

[Established_1965]

Economy and Law and order are temporary setbacks, a rough phase. What's more important is the ethnic, religious and cultural bond people of Pakistan and Kashmir share.

If that was the case then Scotland could have voted for YES instead of NO, they voted No because of Economy uncertainty which leads to Job loss.

When it comes to livelihood, religion and race takes a back seat.

 

[Valkyrie]

If that was the case then Scotland could have voted for YES instead of NO, they voted No because of Economy uncertainty which leads to Job loss.

When it comes to livelihood, religion and race takes a back seat.

Yes i agree with you but you also can't overlook the fact that the dynamics of Scotland and Kashmir are very different. The best way to know what Kashmiris want would be a referendum. If they want to stay with India, great. If they want to have an independent country of their own, awesome. If they want to join Pakistan, they're more than welcome.

 

[shuntmaster]

With out any doubt, YES. Why would Pakistanis(Kashmiris) live with India? They've rejected India, the only thing that is making it possible for India to stay there is their 7 lakh Occupier terrorists, who terrorize innocent Kashmiris since 1948.

Why should any muslim live in india? They demanded and got a country for thier own religion in the indian subcontinent.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

This part I beg to differ with, sir. We, Indians with all our conscience alive, awarded Gilgit (Northern Areas) to Pakistan. According to Alastair Lamb " Pakistan would retain a direct territorial contact with China to be of immense geo-political significance in years to come. India would not acquire the direct territorial contact either with Afghanistan or with the NWFP and thus miss the consequent opportunities for intrigues with Pathans both in and outside Pakistan to the detriment of that country's integrity. It was a failure of India which would unquestionably contribute towards the survival of West Pakistan in future years."

Our failure to secure our command over the Mintaka pass which is considered to be the main artery to Central Asia was a grave mistake or fatal negligence and lack of strategic foresight which can not never be compensated by any means.

bloody hell you beat me to it, & I thought, I was the only one who knew this ! excellent analysis worthy of many positives ratings
one can never understand Scandinavia ,Kashmir, Afghanistan & Korea, if one doesn't understand the hidden geographic ground realities of the"cold war"

(Lt. Morris Schaffer: Look, Major, this is primarily a British operation. I'm an American. I don't even know why the hell I'm here.
Major John Smith: Lieutenant, you're here because you're an American.
where Eagle's Dare 1968)

on a side : yaar my elders in Calcutta before partition used to say : had we not harassed our mai baap's
(the British) so much, starting from Chandra Bose to Mahatma Gandhi
who knows maybe, think about it, may be they might have chosen us as their successor

maybe just two more decades, of a bit A$$ kissing might have gotten us there
you never know @scorpionx things before 1920's were different in the Raaj, man this Chandra bose guy screwed it all up, I tell you the thing that killed south Asia is (Emotions !)

by the way you a IGCSE brat , me pure O/A levels brat total Caligula !

 

[Areesh]

no because, if they choose independence then, Pakistan will loose close to 30,000 sq mi of territory & will also loose the china border , the best solution is for Pakistan to accept LOC as the international border & in return India makes some concessions , the Kashmiri's who don't want to stay with India can then come to the Pakistani side of Kashmir

That won't happen dear. That is the reason we have no problem in having plebiscite in all three parts of Kashmir. AJK, GB and Indian occupied Kashmir.

After all in Pakistan's case we don't have just relation of 600000 troops with people of AJK and GB. Our relations go far beyond that unlike India. I expected a more realistic post from you considering your sane attitude. But apparently you also went for the THANKS from the Bharati members.

Likes ka kia hai yaar. Bohat miltai hain. PDF par bharati hain bhi bohat. Sach bolo. That matters.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

That won't happen dear. That is the reason we have no problem in having plebiscite in all three parts of Kashmir. AJK, GB and Indian occupied Kashmir.

After all in Pakistan's case we don't have just relation of 600000 troops with people of AJK and GB. Our relations go far beyond that unlike India. I expected a more realistic post from you considering your sane attitude. But apparently you also went for the THANKS from the Bharati members.

Likes ka kia hai yaar. Bohat miltai hain. PDF par bharati hain bhi bohat. Sach bolo. That matters.

nahin GB se troops nahin hata sakte , wohan thora problem hai, valley ke log ka tarha nahin hai & leh & laddakis are the worst types of Indians you can find, extreme nationalistic pro India, anti china, you know like those typical gorkha type's
abey Indians itna bhi bura nahin hai yara, bangaliyon se bahut achche hote hai,
aur yaar, life main to thora compromise karna parta hai nah, abbey khi mein, cousin ki haydrabdi family se shaadi hui hai, yo, I ve seen people who came the south are extremely anti india, itna ghussa! "
bhai bagara baigan aur khatta thora kam khaya karon , bahot garam hota hai

 

[Areesh]

nahin GB se troops nahin hata sakte , wohan thora problem hai, valley ke log ka tarha nahin hai & leh & laddakis are the worst types of Indians you can find, extreme nationalistic pro India, anti china, you know like those typical gorkha type's
abey Indians itna bhi bura nahin hai yara, bangaliyon se bahut achche hote hai,
aur yaar, life main to thora compromise karna parta hai nah, abbey khi mein, cousin ki haydrabdi family se shaadi hui hai, yo, I ve seen people who came the south are extremely anti india, itna ghssa ! "
bhai bagara baigan aur khatta thora kam khaya karon , bahot garam hota hai

Kis dunya main rehtai ho bhai? GB main koi troops nahi. Jitnai hain Siachen ki taraf ain takai choohai neechai na aaye GB main.

As far as bengalis are concerned. They are brothers and will remain brothers no matter. We didn't treat with the respect they deserved. Nobody can replace them. Not even Afghanis let alone a Bharati.

 

[American Pakistani]

Why should any muslim live in india? They demanded and got a country for thier own religion in the indian subcontinent.

Most of the Muslims didn't got their lands. The states where there was Hindu majority were given to India completely whereas those states where Muslims were in majority were divided so that India could gain more land. For instance UP, Bihar & Gujarat were not divided whereas Punjab & Bengal were divided.

Similarly Hyderabad Deccan & Junagadh Manvadar were occupied by India citing majority Hindu population whereas Kashmir was occupied by India citing the ruler's decision.

 

[American Pakistani]

Kis dunya main rehtai ho bhai? GB main koi troops nahi. Jitnai hain Siachen ki taraf ain takai choohai neechai na aaye GB main.

As far as bengalis are concerned. They are brothers and will remain brothers no matter. We didn't treat with the respect they deserved. Nobody can replace them. Not even Afghanis let alone a Bharati.

Well, I live in US and lemme share the truth. There are 3 types of Bangladeshis, 30% of them loves & love domination of India, 20% of them consider Pakistanis their brothers, rest of them dislike both countries.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Kis dunya main rehtai ho bhai? GB main koi troops nahi. Jitnai hain Siachen ki taraf ain takai choohai neechai na aaye GB main.

As far as bengalis are concerned. They are brothers and will remain brothers no matter. We didn't treat with the respect they deserved. Nobody can replace them. Not even Afghanis let alone a Bharati.

Kis dunya main rehtai ho bhai? GB main koi troops nahi. Jitnai hain Siachen ki taraf ain takai choohai neechai na aaye GB main.

As far as bengalis are concerned. They are brothers and will remain brothers no matter. We didn't treat with the respect they deserved. Nobody can replace them. Not even Afghanis let alone a Bharati.

I am not saying that, GB is bordered by leh & laddak & that place has a very heavy military presence of India , I mean ARMY ,Air force you name it, it is too risky to keep GB @ their mercy, the Indians don't care about AJK but BB is like the million dollar babe for them ! its strategic importance to the Indians are of immence important just to let you know, any settlement of Kashmir cannot be achieved with out the Indian getting full access of trades & goods, pipelines from GB in another word full transit corridor a movement of such level which will literally make their transit from BD to their God forsaken north east from BD, look like a chaat shop in front of a 5 star hotel & I am not kidding ! GB is the wild card here