Should BD buy the Japanese P-1 MPA aircraft

[UKBengali]

not affordable, as BD need to upgrade other sector though which is had a more even dire needs (like fighter, beginner trainer aircraft, transport aircraft) and given a chance for a much more lower cost MPA aircraft like CN-235 or ATR-72 series. Remember, BD only had 2 to 3 billion US dollar to be spend for the entire branch of armed forces, and most of them had their own programme too.

Current BD defence spending runs at 3.5 US billion dollars a year, when you take into account arms imports which are not part of the official defence budget.

Who says that BD needs to buy all aircraft in one go? It could make a purchase of 12 and then deliveries could be stretched out over 6 years with the first not starting till 2018. BD will only need to pay as the aircraft are delivered.

You forget that BD economy and defence budget is growing at 7% a year. Just this year, the government hiked defence spending by a massive 20% - ok some of this was for increased salaries but you can see the intention here.

 

[Nike]

Current BD defence spending runs at 3.5 US billion dollars a year, when you take into account arms imports which are not part of the official defence budget.

Who says that BD needs to buy all aircraft in one go? It could make a purchase of 12 and then deliveries could be stretched out over 6 years with the first not starting till 2018. BD will only need to pay as the aircraft are delivered.

You forget that BD economy and defence budget is growing at 7% a year. Just this year, the government hiked defence spending by a massive 20% - ok some of this was for increased salaries but you can see the intention here.

can't do, because the real purchase of arms deal can't be like that. No one want to deal with such customer.

Seems hilarious to me, when you proposed this kind of aircraft for the use of BD armed forces when most of your Navy warships is in dire need to be upgraded or built a new ships because the lacks of current BD Navy capability to policing their own water. Not to mention, BD Navy air arm even lacks of basic surveillance aircraft because the lacks of fund

 

[UKBengali]

can't do, because the real purchase of arms deal can't be like that. No one want to deal with such customer.

Seems hilarious to me, when you proposed this kind of aircraft for the use of BD armed forces when most of your Navy warships is in dire need to be upgraded or built a new ships because the lacks of current BD Navy capability to policing their own water. Not to mention, BD Navy air arm even lacks of basic surveillance aircraft because the lacks of fund

Err - you obviously have not heard of arms credit lines that are routinely given?

You have obviously missed the part when I specifically mentioned that BD government has ALREADY approved the purchase of 32 MPA aircraft, which will most probably come from Russia or China. You seem to know more about
BD defence procurement than the government of BD lol

Seems like you have something against BD and so goodbye.

 

[Nike]

Err - you obviously have not heard of arms credit lines that are routinely given?

You have obviously missed the part when I specifically mentioned that BD government has ALREADY approved the purchase of 32 MPA aircraft, which will most probably come from Russia or China. You seem to know more about
BD defence procurement than the government of BD lol

Seems like you have something against BD and so goodbye.

i am worked for foreign arms company stationed in Indonesia, and been in this business for at least a decade.

Even Twin Otter S400 series like Viking can be classified as MPA, LoL. And sure BD can bought 32 basic MPA like this

i had nothing against BD, but much more interested because BD took almost the same route like Indonesia in the previous years

 

[UKBengali]

i am worked for foreign arms company stationed in Indonesia, and been in this business for at least a decade.

Even Twin Otter S400 series like Viking can be classified as MPA, LoL. And sure BD can bought 32 basic MPA like this

i had nothing against BD, but much more interested because BD took almost the same route like Indonesia in the previous years

You know nothing about BD so can I
ask you to stop commenting on things
you know nothing about.

BD economy has entered a boom period now
and so things that were not affordable before
will be affordable now and in the future.

 

[Nike]

You know nothing about BD so can I
ask you to stop commenting on things
you know nothing about.

BD economy has entered a boom period now
and so things that were not affordable before
will be affordable now and in the future.

actually a lot of your thoughts is having so many loopholes

1. Between BD economy progress and the availability of funds to purchasing arms is a very different things. You had a good economy doesn't exactly translate into suddenly your government will throwing money for arms purchase, especially from foreign country. Your country is doing a good thing to throwing money for infrastructure project first and get the leftover from that's to finance your military
2. The affordability of any items is depended on two things, first is how much money available in your wallet to purchase. And second the willingness of the producer country to sell their items for you. Japan is said to be very picky when they are dealing with arms deals.

 

[UKBengali]

actually a lot of your thoughts is having so many loopholes

1. Between BD economy progress and the availability of funds to purchasing arms is a very different things. You had a good economy doesn't exactly translate into suddenly your government will throwing money for arms purchase, especially from foreign country. Your country is doing a good thing to throwing money for infrastructure project first and get the leftover from that's to finance your military
2. The affordability of any items is depended on two things, first is how much money available in your wallet to purchase. And second the willingness of the producer country to sell their items for you. Japan is said to be very picky when they are dealing with arms deals.

I am only replying to educate other posters rather than you as you have already made your mind up with next to know knowledge about BD.

Buying 12 P-1s over the next decade is easily affordable for BD's economy. It is not like BD will have to pay US 1.5-2 dollars to Japan tomorrow. Japanese, like Russians and Chinese beforehand, will be more than happy for BD to pay as deliveries are made. I repeat again, this decade BD has decided to spent most of it's arms procurement budget on the Navy - Army and Air-Force will have to wait till next decade before getting their toys. Has BD ordered sizeable numbers of 4+ generation jets yet? No as it does not have the money since most of the funds are being poured into the Navy.

Why would Japan not want to sell to BD? Only circumstance is if the US was to apply real pressure to not sell. BD has no interest in causing any wars and has a legitimate need for MPAs in order to safeguard it's interests in the huge Bay of Bengal. If Japan does not sell, then they would be missing out on extra sales and another operator that could feed back operational information to refine their product.

Whether BD decides to go for cheaper and larger numbers of Russian or Chinese MPAs or lesser numbers of the more advanced Japanese P-1s is the only question to answer here.

Edit - I see that @Vauban has thanked your post after I upset him yesterday about French military technology.

@DESERT FIGHTER is known to be an anti-BD poster.

 

[50cent]

go for russian equivLENT they are more trustworthy and its proven plus chepaer

 

[Beast]

go for russian equivLENT they are more trustworthy and its proven plus chepaer

That's a outdated thinking. Russian is the least thrust worthy and their electronic technology has stagnant for long time. Spare and after sales support is poor. Many of their propulsion system depends on Ukraine. With the Ukraine crisis boiling, Russian arms export is in danger.

 

[nang2]

Bangladesh doesn't really need very long-range MPAs. Its coast line is fairly short. Much shorter than its neighbors.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Well we have both Myanmar and India to worry about as immediate neighbours. Myanmar won't need something as good as P-1 but India certainly will.

Now before you say it, BD does not consider India as an enemy but it must plan for capability and not intention, and who knows what the relations will be like in the 2040s when any MPA aircraft procured now will still be in service.

Japan has been a very good friend to Japan in terms of the generous aid they have given to build up BD infrastructure, and so BD buying these aircraft will be one small way of paying them back.

Within BD's budget, it can afford around 12 of these aircraft and this should be enough for BD to patrol deep into the Bay of Bengal round the clock and for extended periods.

I don't think that BD needs to worry about the fact that there is no foreign customer as the Japanese are committed and they will purchase a massive 65 of these planes

It's not just the procurement costs you have to take into account but the operating costs- a 4 engined very very specialist Japanese MPA with almost no supply chain outside of Japan will be enourmously costly to operate and I just don't see why BD needs them. The P-1 is meant for long range patrols, BD's area of interest is very limited by comparison to Japan's and the threat profile is minimal.

 

[UKBengali]

It's not just the procurement costs you have to take into account but the operating costs- a 4 engined very very specialist Japanese MPA with almost no supply chain outside of Japan will be enourmously costly to operate and I just don't see why BD needs them. The P-1 is meant for long range patrols, BD's area of interest is very limited by comparison to Japan's and the threat profile is minimal.

Yeah - you are probably right that it may cost too much to both buy and operate the P-1.

The Chinese Y-8GX6(pictured below) has just entered service with the PLAN and so the electronics should be quite modern.

 

[GR!FF!N]

BD has the money to buy over a billion US dollars of MPAs.The government has already budgeted for 32 MPAs and these look like they will come from Russia or China.

My point is why get larger numbers of less capable platforms when BD can purchase less numbers of a more capable platform like the P-1?

12 P-1s for say 140 million US dollars each is affordable for BD. Remember BD is spending the most money this decade on the Navy as it has made a decision to focus in this area for now.

Proof???

Even India doesn't need so many platforms to secure its EEZ when Indian EEZ is actually multi times larger than BD's.

looks like you're mixing platforms like dornier with these.I mean,hell,32 P-1 MPA for an EEZ like Bangladesh???

 

[UKBengali]

Proof???

Even India doesn't need so many platforms to secure its EEZ when Indian EEZ is actually multi times larger than BD's.

looks like you're mixing platforms like dornier with these.I mean,hell,32 P-1 MPA for an EEZ like Bangladesh???

Japan is buying 65 P-1s.

It is not just to secure the EEZ that nations purchase MPAs btw.

Anyway after the comments I am inclined to think that maybe the P-1 is a bit of overkill and too expensive for BD.
A dozen Chinese Chinese Y-8GX6 would be satisfactory instead.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Japan is buying 65 P-1s.

It is not just to secure the EEZ that nations purchase MPAs btw.

Anyway after the comments I am inclined to think that maybe the P-1 is a bit of overkill and too expensive for BD.
A dozen Chinese Chinese Y-8GX6 would be satisfactory instead.

EEZ of Japan..