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we could have shot down that Indian helicopters as well that Indians sent to Gilgit trying to copy American SEALs..

their Lungi got caught by our JETs who instead of shooting it down.. force landed it and the Indian pilots were given tea and food and even petrol for their helicopter and told to Shoo away and never try to copy Uncle Sam :usflag:
That was bull shit.


Special operation on this chopper ??
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we will always boast we maybe down but not out and will hit you back.

but your kind is a different story. always accepting defeat and occupation.
do you know how many British Soldiers were rogering the Indians during the Empire time? only 2000?

Hey were you guys not a subject of Maharaja Ranjeet singh ??
so much for the Indian Soormaas' the world conquerors.

one single Pathan used to make all Rajas poop in their lungies and run away leaving behind their women.
this is how some of your Indian women got those fairer skins.
Next what retarded , all Pakistani fair skin ladies owe it to Arab ??
who learnt after the slapping by the Chinese to never ever try a country of same or bigger size and always pick up fights with the weak countries

but still almost every country int he neighborhood shows you the middle finger.

Really comming thick from a pakistani who surrendered part of Kashmir without even firing a shot.
 
one single Pathan used to make all Rajas poop in their lungies and run away leaving behind their women.
this is how some of your Indian women got those fairer skins.
who learnt after the slapping by the Chinese to never ever try a country of same or bigger size and always pick up fights with the weak countries

but still almost every country int he neighborhood shows you the middle finger.
Considering there are significant amount of mixed marriages among Pakistani guys and Indian women in UK and other countries,I wonder how their kids would feel like when they come across Pakistanis bragging about how they bed Indian women.
 
That was bull shit.


Special operation on this chopper ??
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Ask the guy piloting it.. :lol:


Hey were you guys not a subject of Maharaja Ranjeet singh ??

No son.. we fought tht sob... even the Mazaris owned those guys.. burnt down the sikh garrisons n skinned the ones alive n than burnt them... Lmao.. we owned ranjit so much tht he asked for a truce ... the Mazari Chiefs were hoisted by ranjit ... apart from tht.. Nasir Khan along with Sher Shah ravaged the sikhs... so use tht tiny brain of yours.



@Aeronaut @WebMaster @Fulcrum15 @Jungibaaz

Really comming thick from a pakistani who surrendered part of Kashmir without even firing a shot.

And than you woke up .. right child.;
 
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Since the Bharti brigade is incompetent in the morals of combat and warfare, they are thus reminded that the cowardly shooting down of an unarmed slow airliner type aircraft when there are no real hostilities taking place may put a feather in their cap but had PAF gone down to Indian level then your chopper crew would have returned in body bags or even by road and along with several others, another trophy would have been placed in PAF museums. :D

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lol ... incompetent haha.... speak for your self... so much hulla bulla breast thumping ... at the end you guys lost war ....
 
bundela was a lousy coward , just like any other indian coward , you want to see what happened to him ?

@Irfan Baloch See the moral high ground claimed by your compatriot here? As a serving member of the Armed Forces, would you like to agree with him as well? That a pilot who took life and gave his own life in the service of the Nation, was a 'lousy coward'? What does that make you then, I'd like to know.
 
Keep farting.
Did you read history from there , that sums it up.Old habits die hard , I can u understa why you disowned your daughter.
And it must be good parenting by your parents which prompted you to name call with abuse. Stay classy if you don't
want to be humiliated.


It's cowards like you who need to do so.

I can answer you in the same coin.. but there is a difference between you and me.. go ask yourself where your parents went wrong with your upbringing..

Hey we disected your country into 2, thinking that 62 war would have weakned us you ended up defending Lahore after attacking India in 65 and you still call us coward. It must really be your inferiority and insecurity.

"This airforce(the PAF), is second to none"
"The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a
three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below." "They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying. "


(General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the
Autobiography
).

In 1965,
"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:
In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan.

Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.


The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."


In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991

" the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favorably to the very best."

Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.
 
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Are you really this ignorant? The body of Sqr Ldr Ajay Ahuja HAD TWO BULLET WOUNDS on it when it was handed over by Pakistan.

And don't act dense. Nobody's telling all crashes were due to engine flameouts. One crash has been attributed to a man-portable SAM by India as well.
Source of your claim along with formal notification by govt of india. Otherwise stay put. Nobody buys this sh**
 
It is like Maria Sharapova who didn't know about Tendulkar, you see same pathetic Indians drama here and similar insulting.
 
Same thing again and again.... Our army beat you, our navy beat you and our airforce smashed you... but, for some strange unexplained reason, we lost the war and surrendered... conspiracy!!!

I can answer you in the same coin.. but there is a difference between you and me.. go ask yourself where your parents went wrong with your upbringing..



"This airforce(the PAF), is second to none"
"The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a
three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below." "They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying. "


(General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the
Autobiography
).

In 1965,
"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:
In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan.

Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.


The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."


In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991

" the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favorably to the very best."

Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

Really??? After Israeli attack, how man sorties did Egyptian AF fly? How many sorties did IAF fly after PAF attacks?? Do you call it absolute air victory?? How many bombs did PAF drop on Delhi?? So much for absolute air victory. It is one thing to indulge in propaganda but quite another thing to start believing in it. In all of the wars, not even once pak came close to beat India comprehensively... not once...
 
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