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Firstly let me start by reminding you that you are discussing about schools in Britain, there is no need to drag Pakistan into the discussion unnecessarily.
There is a world of a difference between Pakistani and British muslims. They are living in an alien environment, in an effort to preserve their faith, they end up overdoing it and becoming radicals that even denounce our practices !
Secondly, nobody is forcing you to stay on this forum, if you feel that the members are biased or hateful towards you, you are more than welcome to leave, I for one swear that I will not try and talk you into staying.
Thirdly, the behaviour of the "Pakistanis in general" as you eloquently describe it is just as the Indian attitude is towards Pakistan. Bulk of our population hates you and bulk of your population hates us, bulk of your population thinks we are terrorists and vice versa, bulk of your population thinks Pakistan should be nuked and vice versa, bulk of your population does not want to discuss their grievances with us and vice versa, so how do you figure there can be good relation ?
Don't force everything down our way, it's not like you live in a land of saints..........
Fourthly, you are in no position to criticize our state curriculum, because you have never even taken a peek at it. As I have not at yours, so what qualifies you to speak regarding a matter yu know nothing about ? Just because a couple of hippies like Najam Sethi say that it should be changed does not mean that it is the bottom line. It's their opinion and they are welcome to express it. I myself am a critic of the curriculum but not because it preaches negative feelings about any group in particular but because it emphasises too little on concept and too much on rote learning.
Lastly, Our attitude towards Jews, American, Indian(or Hindus as you put it) is a result of our grievances with their govt.
Read up:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-foreign-affairs/81916-us-pilot-s-tale-gauntlet-goodwill.html
We hold nothing against individuals, even as we speak Sikh Yatris are leaving back for India, they didn't face any problems in Pakistan, their religious sites are maintained, paid for by MUSLIM taxpayers, their accommodation was arranged at the expense of mere millions of MUSLIM taxpayer's money, they were provided food and transport by MUSLIM volunteers.
So don't judge us, when you don't know us.........
1) I am not claiming that every Muslim in the UK follows Wahhabism and recognise that there are moderates and fundamentalists in every society, be it Pakistan, Britain, US or India. But I am not convinced there is a qualitative difference in the causes for and trajectories of radical Muslim movements across the world. In fact what drives it in the UK/US is exactly what drives it in the tribal belts of Pakistan and parts of Pakistani Punjab. It is a violent ideology obsessed with global domination hiding behind the veneer of religion which many moderate Muslims fail to challenge or even feel forced to defend as any attempt to confront it is seen as an attack on wider Islam (an idea actively promoted by the Wahhabis themselves). So what is true for Wahhabis in the UK holds true for their ilk in Pakistan as well.
2) Give yourself a moment to consider why large numbers of Indians frequent this forum. While some may be here to flame and troll, most see this forum as a rare opportunity to interact with Pakistanis in real life and are here in the (vain) hope that this people to people contact, albeit on an internet forum, may eventually help reduce the kind of suspicion and mistrust that exists between the two nations. All we are trying to do is to have a civilised debate and I am sure most members will agree that PDF will be a far less interesting place if it was just full of Pakistanis agreeing with each other all the time.
3) You refer to my comments about Pakistanis ‘in general’ and accuse Indians of talking in broad brushstrokes and vilifying their neighbours. You talk about Indians being obsessed with the destruction of Pakistan but provide no evidence to substantiate your allegations (comments by a few bigots on this forum and the rare nutjob in the Indian media don`t count).How do you go about reality testing your assumptions about Indians apart from, say, posting antagonistic content on here and inviting hostile comments from Indian members? Is it possible that these are just your views on how Indians perceive Pakistanis which are largely influenced by what you are fed by the state and populist media? One needs to recognise that actions of individuals determine whether they are ‘good’ or ‘bad’ and virtue or evil cannot be broadly ascribed to a particular group or faith( just as Muslims bemoan the depiction of their faith in the West) It is essential for the Pakistani military and security establishment to continue portraying the Indians/Hindus as the ‘enemy’ in order to allow them to misappropriate most of Pakistan’s resources to serve their vested interests. In this they have a willing ally in the Wahhabists who are also keen to drive a wedge between the Muslims and the rest of the world for the sake of the larger ‘Ummah’
4) I won`t claim to have gone through the whole of the Pakistani curriculum but I have certainly read a report on it produced by an Islamabad based NGO. Follow the link below to read it, with particular reference to pages 10-23 and page 59 onwards.
http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of Curr&TextBooks.pdf
Please note that the excerpts are not from theological textbooks but from mainstream subjects such as Social Studies and Urdu. I would be very surprised if you find anything of this sort against Muslims or Pakistan in any Indian textbook.
Note how the state systematically attempts to justify the primacy of the military in Pakistani life by inventing the ‘Ideology of Pakistan’ and portraying the country as an Islamic bulwark against a devious neighbour. The attempts to dehumanise and stereotype Hindus, condemning them as a backward, dishonest and barbaric group, is very similar to the of the sort of propaganda that the Nazis ran against the Jews in the 1930s. It is difficult to cultivate hate against a group if people continue to view them as a collection of individuals, some of who are bad but others good, which is why fascist regimes take to collective vilification of their adversaries. Only on visiting places like Aushwitz does one realise the potency of such propaganda as, without developing a deep rooted hate for ‘Jewness’ through sustained propaganda, no German guard would have been able to look beyond the individual in front of him and commit the sort of horrific crimes that took place there.
We can already see how such prejudices have permeated every aspect of Pakistani society.
YouTube - Sohail Tanvir blames Hindus for IPL snub
And what sanctions, if any, did the news anchor and the cricketer in question receive for their comments? And this is despite the fact that there is a significant minority of Hindus living in Pakistan. Before you start with Gujarat etc , all I am trying to do is illustrate how subversive curriculums and hate filled narratives can influence popular opinion and perceptions that can hamper, in the case of the UK, community cohesion, and Pakistan, chance of reconciliation with India.
..which is why Wahhabi influenced curriculums, including that in Pakistan, should be purged of such hate filled content..
4) I do not doubt for a second that Pakistanis are among the most generous and hospitable people around the world. It is well known that many Westerners who visit the subcontinent prefer Pakistan to India due to the hospitality of its people.On the other hand, I am sure you would have come across stories of individual kindness towards Muslims by Hindus/Sikhs in India as well. However, mixed messages from the religious and military establishment have resulted in the Pakistani nationhood becoming defined largely around its ‘Muslim otherness’ from India and the resulting radicalisation is now destabilising the country itself. Its got nothing to do with the innate goodness or badness of Pakistanis but how they view themselves in relation to the rest of the world.
