Shining India: Dalit not allowed to Cycle in the "upper caste" areas.

[kingkobra]

evidence and examples?

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In Vedas, Shudra means a hard-working person. (Tapase Shudram – Yajurved 30.5). And that is why Purush Sukta calls them as foundation of entire human society.
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vedas have class system and not caste system..while caste is by birth the class is achieved by once worth and efforts..
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Manu Smriti 3.109 clearly states that one who eats by glorifying his Gotra or Family is considered an eater of his own vomit.
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Manu Smriti 10.65 asserts that Brahmin can become Shudra and Shudra can become Brahmin. Similarly Kshtariyas and Vaishyas can also change their Varnas.
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2.104: A person who does not worship the Supreme Lord twice daily should be considered a Shudra.
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2.241. If needed, one may acquire knowledge from one who is not a Brahmin; and that he shall follow and serve such a teacher, as long as the instruction lasts.
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3.112: If a Shudra or Vaishya comes as a guest, the family should feed him with due respect.
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In lines with Vedas, Manu also orders the ruler to ensure that the salary and perks of Shudras be never reduced in any circumstance. (7.125-126, 8.216)
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When we review Manu Smriti, we find 4 kinds of interpolations: to bring completeness, for selfish reasons, to exaggerate and to bring defects. Most of these interpolations are blatantly obvious. Dr Surendra Kumar has written a detailed translation of Manu Smriti in Hindi that analyzes each shloka on various parameters to weed out those verses that are obviously interpolated.
He has deduced that of the 2685 shlokas of Manu Smriti, at least 1471 shlokas are adulterated. He has classified the adulterations as :
- out of subject
- out of context
- contradictory
- repetition
- difference in usage and style
- blatant contradiction with Vedas

Dr Surendra Kumar is not the only person to point out adulterations in Manu Smriti. Even many a western indologists like Macdonnell, Keith, Buhler etc have expressed the same.

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If you follow what varna system means then you will understand that varna system is not any different from our current society in any country where poor are oppressed...

but manusmriti infact asks brahmins and kshatriyas and vaishyas to respect these poor people who do all other support function...

 

[Mabs]

was not the poor boy beaten for drinkin from a mosque because he was a hindu ? in india we are aware of it and are taking remedial measures..not like pakistan hiding our heads in denial...

Any link ?

 

[shuridh khan]

this is unforunate.we have dalit cm.dalit speaker.but still in some areas this kinds of thing happen.i hope government will become more active to prevent this kind of thing happen

 

[IndoCarib]

Any link ?

60 Hindus Attacked and Forced Out of Their Homes for Drinking Water from ‘Muslims Only’ Fountain | The Chakra News

 

[POPS]

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In Vedas, Shudra means a hard-working person. (Tapase Shudram – Yajurved 30.5). And that is why Purush Sukta calls them as foundation of entire human society.
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vedas have class system and not caste system..while caste is by birth the class is achieved by once worth and efforts..
-----
Manu Smriti 3.109 clearly states that one who eats by glorifying his Gotra or Family is considered an eater of his own vomit.
---------
Manu Smriti 10.65 asserts that Brahmin can become Shudra and Shudra can become Brahmin. Similarly Kshtariyas and Vaishyas can also change their Varnas.
------------
2.104: A person who does not worship the Supreme Lord twice daily should be considered a Shudra.
-----------
2.241. If needed, one may acquire knowledge from one who is not a Brahmin; and that he shall follow and serve such a teacher, as long as the instruction lasts.
-----------
3.112: If a Shudra or Vaishya comes as a guest, the family should feed him with due respect.
---------
In lines with Vedas, Manu also orders the ruler to ensure that the salary and perks of Shudras be never reduced in any circumstance. (7.125-126, 8.216)
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When we review Manu Smriti, we find 4 kinds of interpolations: to bring completeness, for selfish reasons, to exaggerate and to bring defects. Most of these interpolations are blatantly obvious. Dr Surendra Kumar has written a detailed translation of Manu Smriti in Hindi that analyzes each shloka on various parameters to weed out those verses that are obviously interpolated.
He has deduced that of the 2685 shlokas of Manu Smriti, at least 1471 shlokas are adulterated. He has classified the adulterations as :
- out of subject
- out of context
- contradictory
- repetition
- difference in usage and style
- blatant contradiction with Vedas

Dr Surendra Kumar is not the only person to point out adulterations in Manu Smriti. Even many a western indologists like Macdonnell, Keith, Buhler etc have expressed the same.

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If you follow what varna system means then you will understand that varna system is not any different from our current society in any country where poor are oppressed...

but manusmriti infact asks brahmins and kshatriyas and vaishyas to respect these poor people who do all other support function...

Sir truly u are a very learned person it feels good to be knowing someone like u atleaste on forum Thanks for ur post my regards to u

 

[Mabs]

60 Hindus Attacked and Forced Out of Their Homes for Drinking Water from ‘Muslims Only’ Fountain | The Chakra News

Chakra News, really ? Any link to a mainstream news agency ? BTW, I have seen the area where the supposed incident took place and I can tell you that the news piece contains a lot of factual inaccuracies.

 

[Thor]

What shining India, you ever walk out of the TV studio of India where they paint the picture of a modern state and walk into the Capital New Delhi, and you will find dead bodies floating in the water whcih are being fed upon by dogs and vultures to the States of Highway control, where people and animals alike travel along the road. Although sacred to Hindu's today, they defficate everywhere along with people across the entire street in no shame.

I may also refer to the shining beacon of hope, where Indian memebrs love to jump on the badwagon of bashing Pakistan and Muslims with regards to women.

Thsi will be enlightening for everyone, has anyon heard of -

Sati pratha' (custom of burning the widow with the body of her husband)

'Dasi Pratha' (keeping the slave girls)

'Niyog Pratha' (ancient Aryan custom of childless widow or women having sexual intercourse with a man other than husband to beget child)

enough said

 

[POPS]

What shining India, you ever walk out of the TV studio of India where they paint the picture of a modern state and walk into the Capital New Delhi, and you will find dead bodies floating in the water whcih are being fed upon by dogs and vultures to the States of Highway control, where people and animals alike travel along the road. Although sacred to Hindu's today, they defficate everywhere along with people across the entire street in no shame.

I may also refer to the shining beacon of hope, where Indian memebrs love to jump on the badwagon of bashing Pakistan and Muslims with regards to women.
with all deu respect sir all above so called "pratha's"


Thsi will be enlightening for everyone, has anyon heard of -

Sati pratha' (custom of burning the widow with the body of her husband)

'Dasi Pratha' (keeping the slave girls)

'Niyog Pratha' (ancient Aryan custom of childless widow or women having sexual intercourse with a man other than husband to beget child)

enough said

sir with all deu respect those prathes are long gone but in so called civilized culturs child abuse is still very much a problem

 

[Thor]

sir with all deu respect those prathes are long gone but in so called civilized culturs child abuse is still very much a problem

These are NOT gone, but displayed clearly today in India as well them being part of the religious scriptures of Hindu, would you like quotes here........Best one I have found in the Vedas thus far is the women having intercourse with a horse, encouraged in the Vedas, but miraculouslym, the english translation is conveniently deleted and misses these passages, which I already have. So before Indian members here decide to take a punch at Pakistan, be aware and prepared for a reply, something which Winston Churchill once said, too abusive to repeat though.

 

[Thor]

India abuse: Scores guilty of Dalit rape and torture


A court in southern India has convicted 269 police and forest officials of torturing and abusing more than 100 low-caste Dalits during a raid in 1992.

Officials went to the village of Vachathi in Tamil Nadu state looking for smuggled sandalwood.

Over two days, 18 women were raped, more than 100 Dalits were abused and their homes and cattle looted.

Seventeen officials were found guilty of rape and the rest were convicted of "atrocities against Dalits".

Nearly 100 of those convicted are policemen. Of the 269 convicted, 54 died during the course of the trial.

The court has sentenced all of those convicted: 12 men were given 10 years in prison and five were given seven years each. The remainder were given jail terms of between two and five years.

Vachathi is close to Sathyamangalam forest which was the hunting ground of sandalwood smuggler and elephant poacher Veerappan.

On June 20, 1992, police and forest department officials raided Vachathi following reports that the villagers were involved in sandalwood smuggling, the BBC Tamil's TN Gopalan reports from Madras (Chennai).

The team was made up of 155 forest officials, 108 policemen and six officials of the revenue department.

India's Central Bureau of Investigation [CBI] says they ran amok, thrashing men, women and children, and demolishing huts.

Many villagers were taken into custody and some of the women were raped, the CBI said.

Officials initially denied any wrongdoing and took a long time to register a case.

It was handed over to the CBI following campaigns by civil society activists and left-wing political parties, our correspondent says.

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BBC News - India abuse: Scores guilty of Dalit rape and torture

 

[Spitfighter]

^^Lol.

That should put an end to this ridiculous thread. Perhaps we can focus on real issues now, like ethnic violence in Karachi.

 

[born]

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his is unforunate.we have dalit cm.dalit speaker.but still in some areas this kinds of thing happen.i hope government will become more active to prevent this kind of thing happen

dont forget K.R Narayanan -first dalit to have been President of India.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

These are NOT gone, but displayed clearly today in India as well them being part of the religious scriptures of Hindu, would you like quotes here........Best one I have found in the Vedas thus far is the women having intercourse with a horse, encouraged in the Vedas, but miraculouslym, the english translation is conveniently deleted and misses these passages, which I already have. So before Indian members here decide to take a punch at Pakistan, be aware and prepared for a reply, something which Winston Churchill once said, too abusive to repeat though.

Of course , if authors like Abul Kasem appeal to you , you certainly will find more

 

[SpArK]

They could drive a car instead.

 

[kingkobra]

These are NOT gone, but displayed clearly today in India as well them being part of the religious scriptures of Hindu, would you like quotes here........Best one I have found in the Vedas thus far is the women having intercourse with a horse, encouraged in the Vedas, but miraculouslym, the english translation is conveniently deleted and misses these passages, which I already have. So before Indian members here decide to take a punch at Pakistan, be aware and prepared for a reply, something which Winston Churchill once said, too abusive to repeat though.

you do not have idea how old vedas are...best estimate is 10000 years old...with so much time manipulations are frequent...considering how most of the western scholars had poor knowledge of sanskrit i can not blame you for believing in those dumb translations...not only many have tried to malign vedas by bad translations but many of our own have tried to malign vedas by adding tantric stuff in it...but truth always prevails...

PS:it is just 1500 years of islam and yet there are more than 70 sects and hundreds of sub sects and so many blames on islam...problem with you Muslims is that you ask for respect when you can not respect others..you blame western scholars for maligning Islam but take their side conveniently when it is in your interest...i pity you guys...