Sher Shah Suri intended to change the demographics of Punjab by settling Pashtuns

[Indian Patriot]

Not every one with Khan surname is "Pathan"

Khan is not actually a pathan, pashtun, pothun surname at all. Afridi, Orakzai, Bangash, Yusufzai etc. are more accurate pashto names. Khan is a mongol title. But yes you are right about the ambiguity of the Khan surname in south Asia.

 

[Moon]

I think even Jammu hills and western Himachal were called Shivaliks at that time.

Yup, small areas of these lands are still part of the Outer Himalayas here:

 

[Indian Patriot]

What is Khocha?

Watch the movie Khuda Gawah, all stereotypes of pathuns come from that movie. "Wallah hum tumse dosti karti", "Oi khochey hamara naam khuda baksh hai", "khabees ka bachha hum tumko zinda nahi chorti" etc etc are all the kind of inane dialogues that has shaped the pashto stereotype in India. I am surprised this caught fancy in Pakistan which has a far bigger Afghan/pashtun population.

 

[Moon]

Watch the movie Khuda Gawah, all stereotypes of pathuns come from that movie. "Wallah hum tumse dosti karti", "Oi khochey hamara naam khuda baksh hai", "khabees ka bachha hum tumko zinda nahi chorti" etc etc are all the kind of inane dialogues that has shaped the pashto stereotype in India. I am surprised this caught fancy in Pakistan which has a far bigger Afghan/pashtun population.

Seriously, you guys stereotype us?.

 

[Samandri]

He wanted to settle his kinsmen in Punjab and hills of Nandana because he knew his kinsmen would support him over Hamayun if he managed to cross Khyber Pass. The salt range region(Nandana here) was already in open rebellion against Sher Shah Suri in favour of Hamayun. Nilab is near modern day Indus in Attock I think.

As for Khan Kanju, he appears to be a mythified figure rather than factual for his existence is only in oral history I think. Their oral historians made Khan Kanju even an overlord of Adam Khan, the leader of Gakhars, which is laughable at best as no other source mentions such a relationship. The only lord Gakhars served was the king of Persia, at whose behest they had even started a rebellion against Sher Shah. Gakhars are Persians by ancestry and hence they were loyalists of the king of Persia.

Actually not oral history, Akhund Darweza of Akbar times has written about Khan Gaju. He had united entire Khashi confederation under his banner and his territories extended from Nangarhar to Margalla and from Kafiristan to Kalabagh, it was a loose tribal confederation and the rule over the region was not proper. He led military expeditions into Hazara, attock and Ghakkar territories and extracted tribute from them. It seems Ghakkars agreed to pay tribute , while kept their Independence.

Mughals were no Persian Kings, if i remember correctly Babur defeated Ghakkars in a battle, there was no outright allegiance to the invader. Before Babur, Ghakkars were allied to Lodhi Afghans as mentioned in Baburnama. The opposition to sher Shah was due to sticking to alliance with Mughals, not due to his ethnicity.

 

[Moon]

What is the origin and meaning of this word Khocha?.......I see this word used in Pathan jokes in urdu, the clown pathan in the jokes say khocha word in the start of sentence. In Indian comedian shows, when some times Pathan character is depicted , they use this word khocha.........

Well it's a slang, but it has origins of being used by Pathans between themselves, and also by wannabes who try to act all Pathan throughout the sub-continent.

 

[Samandri]

Watch the movie Khuda Gawah, all stereotypes of pathuns come from that movie. "Wallah hum tumse dosti karti", "Oi khochey hamara naam khuda baksh hai", "khabees ka bachha hum tumko zinda nahi chorti" etc etc are all the kind of inane dialogues that has shaped the pashto stereotype in India. I am surprised this caught fancy in Pakistan which has a far bigger Afghan/pashtun population.

Nope, the word Khocha is also uttered by a Pathan character in Indian movie of 70s, i have forgotten the name but that Pathan character is shown an inhabitant of India unlike Khuda gawa

Well it's a slang, but it has origins of being used by Pathans between themselves, and also by wannabes who try to act all Pathan throughout the sub-continent.

It is not used by Pashtuns and the word Khocha doesnt exist in Pashto vocabulary and bol chal. It has clearly Indian roots like word Pathan.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Nope, the word Khocha is also uttered by a Pathan character in Indian movie of 70s, i have forgotten the name but that Pathan character is shown an inhabitant of India unlike Khuda gawa


It is not used by Pashtuns and the word Khocha doesnt exist in Pashto vocabulary and bol chal.

Zanzeer movie of Amitabh Bachhan and the pathan character was played by Pran.

Words like Khochii, Khabees and such have being popularised by bollywood movies.

Seriously, you guys stereotype us?.

Oi khochee hum tumko streotype nahi karti, wallah hum kasam bolti yeh bollywood wale tumko stereotype karti, bade he khabees hoti ye bollywood director.

 

[Moon]

Nope, the word Khocha is also uttered by a Pathan character in Indian movie of 70s, i have forgotten the name but that Pathan character is shown an inhabitant of India unlike Khuda gawa


It is not used by Pashtuns and the word Khocha doesnt exist in Pashto vocabulary and bol chal. It has clearly Indian roots like word Pathan.

Could be, but I have heard it by people several times here in Karachi, but as far as I know it's a slang.

Oi khochee hum tumko streotype nahi karti, wallah hum kasam bolti yeh bollywood wale tumko stereotype karti, bade he khabees hoti ye bollywood director.

Then kill those directors, pls.

 

[ghoul]

Actually not oral history, Akhund Darweza of Akbar times has written about Khan Gaju. He had united entire Khashi confederation under his banner and his territories extended from Nangarhar to Margalla and from Kafiristan to Kalabagh, it was a loose tribal confederation and the rule over the region was not proper. He led military expeditions into Hazara, attock and Ghakkar territories and extracted tribute from them. It seems Ghakkars agreed to pay tribute , while kept their Independence.

Mughals were no Persian Kings, if i remember correctly Babur defeated Ghakkars in a battle, there was no outright allegiance to the invader. Before Babur, Ghakkars were allied to Lodhi Afghans as mentioned in Baburnama. The opposition to sher Shah was due to sticking to alliance with Mughals, not due to his ethnicity.

Persian king was the one who hosted Hamayun in exile. Ain-e-Akbari mentions that they(Gakhars) were subject of "his highness"(the king of Persia) who told them to support Hamayun against Sher Shah. I highly doubt he'd have managed to get a tribute from Adam Khan, who was facing Islam Shah Suri, a much stronger and ferocious foe than Khan Kanju. Adam Khan also had a "bloody" clash with Mughals, who were led by Kamal Khan(Adam's nephew). Akhund Darweza was Pir Roshan was it? Was Kanju alive during his time? Sometimes nationalistic historians lie about their achievements, like hindus lie how Prithviraj killed Ghauri.

As for Gakhars supporting Lodhis, there was a division between them. Tatar Khan Gakhar was a tributary of Lodhis, but his cousin Hathi Khan of Pharwala made a surprise attack on him and killed him for he wanted no such relationship with the Lodhis, and took over the Gakhar leadership. Hathi Khan was said to be a ruthless man, and it was Malik Hast Khan Janjua, who's mentioned in Baburnama and who submitted to Babur, and asked him to attack Hathi. Hathi had defeated Janjuas in a number of, said to be bloody, battles, and had also killed Malik Hast's father. Babur complied and attacked Hathi in his fort of Pharwala, but failed to kill Hathi who escaped from a chor darwaza. Hathi was later poisoned by Sarang, son of Tatar Khan and brother of Adam Khan, and thus the chiefship of Gakhars passed on to the house of Tatar once again.

 

[Imran Khan]

Being a pathan you hate Sher Shah?

as a human

 

[Indian Patriot]

as a human

Just curious, why is that? He was a ruthless man alright but he was possibly the best pashto monarch in the subcontinent.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

What is Khocha?

u are khocha.

 

[Samandri]

Could be, but I have heard it by people several times here in Karachi, but as far as I know it's a slang.



Then kill those directors, pls.

Its because most of the people in Karachi are of Indian origin and they are inventors of word khocha and Pathan jokes............

 

[!eon]

False !
Tribes had been coming and settling since Mahmud Ghznawi times.