SHAHBAGH SQUARE-A NEW RISE

[ShadowFaux]

Thousands are being paid by the rawami government and even schools are being forced to supply your "thousands of people", so shut your fascist mouth.

Making personal attacks towards me won't make your statement true.

I went there and I didn't receive a single taka from anyone. So, please don't write what you don't know.

Thank you.

 

[ShadowFaux]

4 cops hurt in Ctg cocktail blast - bdnews24.com

Officer-In-Charge of the Kotwali Police Station AKM Mohiuddin Selim told bdnews24.com that the rowdy activists of the Islami Chhatra Shibir unleashed the attack at Ali Kha Mosque area in Chakbazar after the Jumma prayers.

The injured were identified as constables ‘Nasir’, ‘Solayman’, ‘Rashed’ and ‘Saiful’ of Dampara Police Line.

Eyewitnesses said that the Shibir activists brought out a procession from the Andarkilla Shahi Jame Mosque after the Jumma prayers and marched towards Chakbazar via Sirajuddaula Road. The marauding pickets vandalised roadside establishments.

As the police and Border Guard Bangladesh (BGB) members intercepted the procession, the Shibir activists held a rally in front of Ali Kha Mosque. On the eve of leaving the venue after the short rally, the Shibir men hurled hand bombs at the police, leaving four constables injured.

The injured were admitted to Chittagong Medical College Hospital.

At least three people including a police constable were killed and several others injured in separate clashes between Jamaat-Shibir activists and the police in Lohagara, Bashkhali and Satkania upazilas on Thursday during the widespread shutdown violence across the country that took a turn for the worse following the verdict of the International Crimes Tribunal-1 against Jamaat leader Delwar Hossain Sayedee.

At least 35 people, including four policemen, were killed and scores were injured in a spasm of violence on Thursday in parts of the country after Jamaat-Shibir activists clashed with law enforcers to protest against the death penalty to Sayedee. - See more at: 4 cops hurt in Ctg cocktail blast - bdnews24.com

 

[ebr77]

Lol none is anonymous in interweb, like I told you guys before. So hold your horses, remember you're responsible for what you say in your online life just as you are responsible for your what you say in your real life. So stop gloating over murders, stop calling people wajb-ul-katl and what not. They will need to ask the ISPs to know the traffic of this website.

This forum can be very useful for BD govt in propaganda purpose, since this site frequented by some very shady characters and threads here don't reflect the realty or atleast reflect the view point of those whom common Bangladeshis consider supporters of war criminals.

Remember your freedom ends where my nose begins.

true man, i guess somewhere the govt agency have already made our profile, connecting stuff we say/do in internet, phone calls, facebook, bank transactions...lol. one of my friend was asking me if we are taking a step closer toward Minority Report-thingy.

Normally, i keep my distance but i only get involve when someone belittle Islam, Bangladesh & Bangla. I am not too much bother about Awami or BNP.

dude most of us feel the way you do. we want our country to be secular, prosperous,united and powerful also..

 

[animelive]

Lol none is anonymous in interweb, like I told you guys before. So hold your horses, remember you're responsible for what you say in your online life just as you are responsible for your what you say in your real life. So stop gloating over murders, stop calling people wajb-ul-katl and what not. They will need to ask the ISPs to know the traffic of this website.

If you are a noob or you don't care, yes

 

[Mattrixx]

in 1947 when india & pakistan was imerge... the put almost same rules for controling there state..& india declear national language will be hindi 1st & official language will be hindi & english for federal...& provincial official language will be local language plus hindi,english...and we all know hindi is language of UP and MP....in polulation wise they were not top..though westbengal accep that without any question..and we all know during that time westbengal was pioner in bangla language....almost 99% bengali writer from WB..beside east bengal put objection & demanding bangla should be nationa language...why?? urdu is not language of panjab,sindh,baluch,bengal,kashmir....so its more neutral than hindi...more over urdu was made by mugols...& since then urdu play very important roles ... so come to straight point....why bengali had objection for urdu as pakistan's national language where bangali from west bangal not....???

Very good question. I would like Awami Bengali to answer this for us. Why did they refused Urdu as state language since it was not connected with any specific region of united Pakistan.
.

Because Bengali has ancient enmity towards Hindi/Urdu. Through out history Bengal and North India fought each other. Besides there is no country in the world that imported state language. Its common sense that language of the majority will be state language. By the way why you love Urdu/Hindi so much? Is it a holy language? Urdu/Hindi failed to spread Islam while Bengla has tremendous success to convert people to Islam.

Hindi is not india's national language. other states just accepted Hindi as its related to their history of independence.
English is widely spoken in that country.
In the case of united Pakistan we had no connection with urdu. Where majority of Pakistan used to talk in bangla.
Urdu was spoken by only a fraction part of ppl. Why we would take that language. In fact other pakistanis should have taken bangla as their language. Panjabi ppl were always short in their head. They always wanted to run the country only by them.

But if measures like this were taken,
English will be the main language and other languages wil gate equal rights than the situation could be different.

Is Hindi our National Language?
There's no national language in India: Gujarat High Court - Times Of India
Bengali Language Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pakistan - Linguistic and Ethnic Groups

 

[kalu_miah]

1. Indian presence in Bangladesh is over-rated.

2. We do actually need some Indian agents to neutralize extremist threats. Ofcourse they should co-operate with DGFI.

3. People who are trying to destroy Bangladesh economy, ecology and future prospects are the same who try to spread ink on the birth of Bangladesh.

4. I am sure @Moander has some problem with foreign agents trying to spread ink into the history of Bangladesh.

EDIT: If you have any proof on Indian agents being in Bangladesh, lets bring a copy of the proof. It will find the appropriate place; I have the connections.

Thank you.

Anyone who is trying to justify presence of Indian agent in Bangladesh, could have connection with them. There is plenty of proof, just search the web, including many threads here in pdf. Your post above is one such proof also.

 

[Al-zakir]

What a happy face. Question is will it remain such. What if Awami withdraw support from Shahbahg to save their behind form the wrath of Muslims.

 

[ShadowFaux]

Anyone who is trying to justify presence of Indian agent in Bangladesh, could have connection with them. There is plenty of proof, just search the web, including many threads here in pdf. Your post above is one such proof also.

I asked you for proof. You couldn't provide anything. So stop your false rhetoric.
Your posts are full of anti-state hints. One might wonder whether you are a foreign agent or not.

What a happy face. Question is will it remain such. What if Awami withdraw support from Shahbahg to save their behind form the wrath of Muslims.

Jamat kemne mair khaitese dekhonai miya? Keep your eyes on the tv.

 

[BDforever]

What a happy face. Question is will it remain such. What if Awami withdraw support from Shahbahg to save their behind form the wrath of Muslims.

 

[Al-zakir]

Jamat kemne mair khaitese dekhonai miya? Keep your eyes on the tv.

Yes, it's in my Avatar. You are killing us like birds. Lifeless body scattered around street. Zoor zar mulk taar. keep going and make sure to finish all of us. This is my genuine advice to you.

 

[BDforever]

Yes, it's in my Avatar. You are killing us like birds. Lifeless body scattered around street. Zoor zar mulk taar. keep going and make sure to finish all of us. This is my genuine advice to you.

 

[ebr77]

What a happy face. Question is will it remain such. What if Awami withdraw support from Shahbahg to save their behind form the wrath of Muslims.

I will start with a piece of news-

Here's one more example of jamati barbaric nature. They hacked one constable to death and tried to burn the other 19 policeman alive while locking up the gate behind them on the complex.They also would have died if other police forces would not have come to the rescue while shooting blanks on the air.
এ কেমন বর্বরতা! - প্রথম আলো

Now imagine what if the cops were coming the same way, but shooting at them to save the life of other 20.It's not a question of whether awami/bnp will support it or not. The question is what we want for our country ahead and for our next generation what we want to leave behind.

 

[Spring Onion]

U guys always make statements like this, "We want justice too."
This types of statements makes me very angry.
What did u do to do justice. We r asking for known war criminals' justice.
But u ppl blocking our way and making all kinds of propaganda to fail us.
But yet u r saying u want justice too.
Its a shame u want to save criminals. Ppl of ur kind is very dangerous to create a democratic country where
law and order is preserved.

I am very happy and in fact the whole Bangladesh is happy as we get justice after 42 years.
But its sad that some idiots coming on street to save these war criminals

In Bangladesh, the flawed path to accountability
Instead of the death penalty, the protesters at Shahbag should be demanding fair trials for those accused of war crimes in 1971

A peaceful mass secular protest involving people from all walks of life, spearheaded by a tech savvy young generation, apparently independent from political parties, seeking accountability for war crimes committed in 1971.

This has been Shahbag, a square in the centre of Dhaka, Bangladesh, an (almost) non-stop protest since February 5.

The positive aspects are obvious to all those interested in a secular Bangladesh, who support accountability for the terrible atrocities committed during the nine-month-long war.

Hundreds of thousands are estimated to have died in the war, many allegedly with the assistance of pro-Pakistani militias whose members are said to have included Jamaat-e-Islami party members and leaders at the time.

Four decades later the Jamaat is the country’s fourth largest party and a key ally of the main Opposition party with many of its leaders and activists powerful social actors wielding significant influence in a country, much of which still remains overwhelmingly conservative.

The focus of the Shahbag protests, on accountability for 1971 war crimes and a secular politics, has understandably received significant positive media coverage both nationally and internationally.
However there are also reasons for concerns.



These start from the protesters’ central demand to hang Abdul Quader Mollah, a senior leader of the Jamaat-e-Islami recently sentenced to life imprisonment following conviction for five offences involving crimes against humanity, as well as nine other leaders of the party who are being prosecuted for similar offences.
This demand is however being made with little consideration to the fairness of the trials which are taking place in two locally established courts called the International Crimes Tribunals.

Three aspects of Mollah’s trial


Late last year, the Economist magazine published excerpts from the hacked Skype conversations and e-mails between the chairman of one of the two tribunals and an expatriate Bangladesh lawyer, who was working closely with the prosecution. The excerpts showed that this particular judge was in close contact with the prosecutors. Drafts of court orders were being passed between the judge, the prosecutors and this Bangladesh lawyer — including one relating to the proposed actual judgment on one of the accused.


The judge, Mohammed Nizamul Huq resigned. A new court was constituted, but applications by the defence to seek retrials were rejected — on the basis that since the conversations and e-mails were illegally obtained, the court would not take any cognisance of it.


Although Mollah was dealt with by a court that was not contaminated by these underhand dealings, those calling for his hanging fail to recognise three aspects of his trial.

First, while the court found the evidence sufficiently credible to convict Mollah for complicity in mass murder (involving a village of over 300 people) and rape, the evidence was nonetheless far from overwhelming, as anyone who has followed the trial and read the verdict will know. Excluding the testimony of two investigation officers, the court depended on only eight witnesses to convict him on five counts — each of which involve offences alleged to have taken place at different locations and dates.


In three of these counts, the only evidence was hearsay testimony, with most of it coming from witnesses who could not attribute their knowledge to anyone in particular. Another count, concerning rape and murder, was based wholly on the testimony of a woman who was 13 years old at the time, hiding under a bed, where there was no additional corroborating evidence.

TThe second issue concerns the decision of the tribunal to only allow the defence to call six witnesses (when there was no limitation on the prosecution) simply on the basis that it thought this was a sufficient number. This would seem to be a significant restriction on the rights of the accused to present their case.
The third issue is of the extent of Mollah’s participation in the crimes, an important determinant of sentencing. While there is some lack of clarity in the tribunal’s exact findings, it appears that in none of the five counts was Mollah convicted of personally undertaking or ordering the acts of murder or rape. He was found guilty of “complicity” in or “abetting” an offence, “accompany[ing] the gang to the crime site having rifle in hand” or facilitating mass murder and rape by being “present” at the scene.


While these findings are undoubtedly extremely serious, it is notable that they are less serious than the findings by the same court a couple of weeks earlier in the (in absentia trial) of Abul Kalam Azad, sentenced to hanging for “physically participat[ing]” in the offence of genocide and other offences.

These three factors, along with the wider concerns about the fairness of the tribunal process, should at the very least raise serious questions about the legitimacy of demanding a death penalty for Mollah.


Case for no release


Reasons for not supporting the hanging of Delawar Hossain Sayedee, whose death penalty sentence on Thursday was greeted to huge cheers at Shahbag (and the unleashing of unacceptable violence by the Jamaat) are even more acute.

The demands coming from Shahbag show little interest in the subtleties of due process or matters of evidence. The protesters seem convinced that all the men currently before the tribunal are guilty, that any evidential weaknesses evidence are simply due to the long 40 years they have waited for justice, and that if the men do not get the death penalty, they will be released by a future sympathetic government.
It is certainly true that a 40-year-interval makes obtaining credible evidence of guilt that much more difficult. I know that since I made War Crimes Files, the 1995 Channel Four documentary about three men alleged to have committed 1971 war crimes, a number of important eyewitnesses in the film have died. However, at the end of the day, and unfair though it may appear, rule of law and due process means that only evidence shown to be probative and presented in court can be considered.



And while there is a risk that conviction for life may, due to political accommodations, result in future inappropriate release from prison, this should not be a justification for putting someone to death. Instead it should result in placing pressure on all political parties and any future government not to release those convicted of these offences. The men currently before the tribunal may well be guilty of the offences for which they have been charged. Jamaat-e-Islami did collaborate with the Pakistan military and atrocities were committed in which some its leaders are likely to have been involved. But a fair process of justice is crucial to determining whether this is the case — and certainly before putting men to death. This is all the more important now that 40 years have passed.
There is much in the Shahbag protests to support. But demands for hanging these men following a rather blemished tribunal process would well be a serious blot on these wider aspirations.
(David Bergman,a journalist with The New Age newspaper in Dhaka


The Hindu : Opinion / Op-Ed : In Bangladesh, the flawed path to accountability

 

[LaBong]

Hindi is not india's national language. other states just accepted Hindi as its related to their history of independence.
English is widely spoken in that country.
In the case of united Pakistan we had no connection with urdu. Where majority of Pakistan used to talk in bangla.
Urdu was spoken by only a fraction part of ppl. Why we would take that language. In fact other pakistanis should have taken bangla as their language. Panjabi ppl were always short in their head. They always wanted to run the country only by them.

But if measures like this were taken,
English will be the main language and other languages wil gate equal rights than the situation could be different.

Is Hindi our National Language?
There's no national language in India: Gujarat High Court - Times Of India
Bengali Language Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pakistan - Linguistic and Ethnic Groups

Hindi and English are the most widely spoken language in India, so they are accepted as official language of govt of India. However since India is a collection of federal states, so every state can have their own official languages.

 

[Mattrixx]

I will start with a piece of news-

Here's one more example of jamati barbaric nature. They hacked one constable to death and tried to burn the other 19 policeman alive while locking up the gate behind them on the complex.They also would have died if other police forces would not have come to the rescue while shooting blanks on the air.
এ কেমন বর্বরতা! - প্রথম আলো

Now imagine what if the cops were coming the same way, but shooting at them to save the life of other 20.It's not a question of whether awami/bnp will support it or not. The question is what we want for our country ahead and for our next generation what we want to leave behind.

Thanks jamat has crossed its limit. I was not so interested to show this types of violences created by jamat. As to show this my country's reputation ruins. As some jamat loving ppl dont care that and its now open to all its good to clearly show ppl what jamat is doing.
Another thread by hammerfist
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/238038-brutal-action-jamat-shibir.html
I think this types of news well fits there. I already posted this one. If u want to post others it will be highly welcome.