Shadows - Forerunners of Al Dajjal, Freemasons war on Islam

[Hyperion]

Dear friend, my take would be to go with:

Option A: Follow the Quran only (wisdom independent of time & space). You still remain within the fold of Islam - a better choice for the masses.
Option B: Follow the Quran & Hadees / Sunnah (wisdom highly dependednt upon the era and timeframe), however, with the ability to clearly identify and understand the Hadees within the context of Quran (referenced against a particular verse, and the historical perspective to which it was addressing). More suitable for the intellectual, however, can not be implemented wholesale to illiterate masses.

Whatever you do, you can not have option C below.

Option C (No No No): Follow the Quran and Hadees / Sunnah without having the ability to identify between right and wrong, vis-a-vis the Holy Quran. (Pakistan Today)

My five cents worth. Nothing more.

The best way is to go to the oldest of sources , and like any other historical study try to corroborate their accounts to siphon out discrepancies.

 

[SQ8]

Who declared it as such ?

Koran + Hadith + Sunnah = Islam !

It has been such since the earliest times.

Look at it this way..

Bismillah Ar rahman Ar Rahim.. is the epitome of Surah Fateha.
That is if all that is in Surah Fateha is to be summed up , Bismillah is the best fit for an abstract.
Or if one was to explain what Bismillah means, Surah fateha is the explanation

Surah Fateha is epitome of the entire Quran in this way. Whatever is in the Quran, its entirety.. its abstract is Surah Fateha.

And to that... The Prophet's life, his actions explain the Quran.. his life is the epitome, the exemplar of exactly all that is instructed and taught in the Book.

 

[Mitro]

Getting rid of ribah is not possible in these modern world because it is made on it just Saddam hussain tried to use Euro for oil for food program we know what happen to him. and same think with libya they where going to implement gold currency in libya no more gaddafi .

Ribah is the foundation of dajjal system and he will do what ever to protect it .its not a cake walk bro.

I think that you've got the Koran before you & the Koran gives yous 'principles' & not systems !

I'm sure if we relegate the Hadith to 'Historical Narratives' as opposed to making it a part of 'Faith' & remove our so-called 'Religious Scholars' of ages past & present from the Equation altogether - We could get rid of many of the Sectarian & Social Issues that we - the Muslims - are facing !

One doesn't have to reinvent the wheel - If the Koran is against Riba'h then one can find systems of Finance from within what the Society has created to address that as opposed to going on to create an 'Islamic System' - Socialism could be worth looking at, re-evaluating the definition of Money could be another & perhaps it would be worth looking at the pre & post Bretton-Wood Gold Standard & at Fractional Banking !

 

[Hyperion]

Yara, the underlined part.... would you like to elaborate a bit further on Sunnah? What do you say to wearing shalwar (or whatever) like mid-air........ thousands of more examples, incompatible or un-necessary to present times.

Furthermore, where is it declared that someone who follows Quran only, is or is not Muslim.

It has been such since the earliest times.

Look at it this way..

Bismillah Ar rahman Ar Rahim.. is the epitome of Surah Fateha.
That is if all that is in Surah Fateha is to be summed up , Bismillah is the best fit for an abstract.
Or if one was to explain what Bismillah means, Surah fateha is the explanation

Surah Fateha is epitome of the entire Quran in this way. Whatever is in the Quran, its entirety.. its abstract is Surah Fateha.

And to that... The Prophet's life, his actions explain the Quran.. his life is the epitome, the exemplar of exactly all that is instructed and taught in the Book.

Yara, there is NO system in this world (presently) which operates without Riba'h. So what does that mean? Are we all Kafir's?

I think that you've got the Koran before you & the Koran gives yous 'principles' & not systems !

I'm sure if we relegate the Hadith to 'Historical Narratives' as opposed to making it a part of 'Faith' & remove our so-called 'Religious Scholars' of ages past & present from the Equation altogether - We could get rid of many of the Sectarian & Social Issues that we - the Muslims - are facing !

One doesn't have to reinvent the wheel - If the Koran is against Riba'h then one can find systems of Finance from within what the Society has created to address that as opposed to going on to create an 'Islamic System' - Socialism could be worth looking at, re-evaluating the definition of Money could be another & perhaps it would be worth looking at the pre & post Bretton-Wood Gold Standard & at Fractional Banking !

 

[Mitro]

1)Who ever follow islam should submit to the will of allah and follow allah and his messenger command as a slave .
"Once we Accept ourselves as slave of Allah then slave don't have free will and slave will do what ever to please his master"


2)If a Muslim think he is superior then other muslim then he is following the command of Shaitan [shaitan said i am superior to Adam As]

3)A Muslim should be faithful to allah and his messenger not to their tribes ,family and country.

These is the simple remedy to our problem if followed 100% we will be one force

 

[Armstrong]

It has been such since the earliest times.

Look at it this way..

Bismillah Ar rahman Ar Rahim.. is the epitome of Surah Fateha.
That is if all that is in Surah Fateha is to be summed up , Bismillah is the best fit for an abstract.
Or if one was to explain what Bismillah means, Surah fateha is the explanation

Surah Fateha is epitome of the entire Quran in this way. Whatever is in the Quran, its entirety.. its abstract is Surah Fateha.

And to that... The Prophet's life, his actions explain the Quran.. his life is the epitome, the exemplar of exactly all that is instructed and taught in the Book.

Unfortunately thats not the case - the Hadith & the Sunnah or more appropriately what we allege are the Hadith & the Sunnah not only 'add' to the Koran but has next to no historical continuity with the earliest known book of hadith (Bukhari or Muslim) being compiled around 197 A.H - Thats more than a 150 years after the Prophet (PBUH) 's death & even at that you've got a myriad Ahadith who're not word for word the same with minor omissions or additions to them even when multiple ahadhith might have the same context - Such cannot be said about the Koran which has perhaps a greater historical continuity to it than any other piece of information that mankind has ever shared with each other !

And it goes without saying that there are significant issues concerning the Hadith that goes well beyond their Historical Continuity !

Additionally if we need the Hadith to understand the Koran than what does that imply about the Koran ? That it is inadequate, incomplete or even unintelligible for the common man to understand ?

Or does it mean that we're doing exactly what the other two Abrahamic Religions did - Talmud gave way to Oral Traditions in Judaism & the Old Testament & the New are at times diagrammatically opposed to each other when it comes to Christianity ! Even when one has Eastern Spiritual Traditions like Hinduism the Vedas, though lost, have been supplemented a plethora of times by the words & works of the Saints, whatever they maybe called.

Why is that ?

Either God is making the same mistake over & over again without learning anything from it - A proclamation that would be both irrational & blasphemous, if you ask !

Then maybe its something else ? Maybe the Hadith weren't supposed to be a part of Faith but rather a part of 'History' & that the Koran & the Koran alone was the infallible word of God that didn't need any amount of supporting aids to be understood for saying otherwise would suggest that the Koran comes with some inherent deficiency or some inherent inadequacy & I don't think thats the case !

 

[Hyperion]

Very good my boy, this post is worth 1000 of your other posts, regarding the subject at hand.

Unfortunately thats not the case - the Hadith & the Sunnah or more appropriately what we allege are the Hadith & the Sunnah not only 'add' to the Koran but has next to no historical continuity with the earliest known book of hadith (Bukhari or Muslim) being compiled around 197 A.H - Thats more than a 150 years after the Prophet (PBUH) 's death & even at that you've got a myriad Ahadith who're not word for word the same with minor omissions or additions to them even when multiple ahadhith might have the same context - Such cannot be said about the Koran which has perhaps a greater historical continuity to it than any other piece of information that mankind has ever shared with each other !

And it goes without saying that there are significant issues concerning the Hadith that goes well beyond their Historical Continuity !

Additionally if we need the Hadith to understand the Koran than what does that imply about the Koran ? That it is inadequate, incomplete or even unintelligible for the common man to understand ?

Or does it mean that we're doing exactly what the other two Abrahamic Religions did - Talmud gave way to Oral Traditions in Judaism & the Old Testament & the New are at times diagrammatically opposed to each other when it comes to Christianity ! Even when one has Eastern Spiritual Traditions like Hinduism the Vedas, though lost, have been supplemented a plethora of times by the words & works of the Saints, whatever they maybe called.

Why is that ?

Either God is making the same mistake over & over again without learning anything from it - A proclamation that would be both irrational & blasphemous, if you ask !

Then maybe its something else ? Maybe the Hadith weren't supposed to be a part of Faith but rather a part of 'History' & that the Koran & the Koran alone was the infallible word of God that didn't need any amount of supporting aids to be understood for saying otherwise would suggest that the Koran comes with some inherent deficiency or some inherent inadequacy & I don't think thats the case !

 

[SQ8]

Yara, the underlined part.... would you like to elaborate a bit further on Sunnah? What do you say to wearing shalwar (or whatever) like mid-air........ thousands of more examples, incompatible or un-necessary to present times.

Furthermore, where is it declared that someone who follows Quran only, is or is not Muslim.

There is no evidence on the usage of shalwar or anything else as a dress. Sunnah is the life of the prophet, it is how he led his life. It is an exemplar and not an axe on your head. That being said, the Quran was revealed to the Prophet, hence who better to look as an example for its interpretation of what the Quran says. His actions show and define all that the Quran talks about in some form or another. There can be no better authority than him on matters pertaining to religion.. after all, when you learn a subject.. you look for the best in that particular topic.. what are their views on it.. and here those views have been for the most part collected meticulously over the years with research methods that were unrivalled in those times. Hence, while the Quran is our main source of guidance.. just as it is La-illaha-illallah.. it follows Muhammad ur Rasool Allah.. it follows that one look to the appendix, the Sunnah as the explanation of what the Quran says.


Moreover, I would shun more recent accounts and those given by quasi scholars of today and look to early 20th century publications. For e.g. those who find Urdu terse, may read the biopic of the Prophet written by martin lings... well written.

 

[Armstrong]

Yara, there is NO system in this world (presently) which operates without Riba'h. So what does that mean? Are we all Kafir's?

Zero-Interest Rate Policy was even talked about by Friedman & many a Keneysian Economists !

But like I said earlier on - Maybe we need to re-evaluate, re-define & re-construct some paradigms !

Well you're definitely going to Hell - Thats for sure !

But don't worry I'd be following you shortly - Sunaaa haiii wahaan Barbeque bohat achaa hotaaa haiii !

 

[Hyperion]

@Dillinger will be there before both of us, being BBQ'ed. We get to feast on him first....

Only one thing annoys me, there won't be any Coke.

Zero-Interest Rate Policy was even talked about by Friedman & many a Keneysian Economists !

But like I said earlier on - Maybe we need to re-evaluate, re-define & re-construct some paradigms !

Well you're definitely going to Hell - Thats for sure !

But don't worry I'd be following you shortly - Sunaaa haiii wahaan Barbeque bohat achaa hotaaa haiii !

 

[BATMAN]

we are discussing too many things suddenly... no bank have objection to keep you money and give you zero interests.

Riba is no doubt haram... than what is taxation, pension funds and all of the banking concept and monetary system?

Why is Pakistan's currency loosing its value? Is it halal in Islam?

 

[SQ8]

Unfortunately thats not the case - the Hadith & the Sunnah or more appropriately what we allege are the Hadith & the Sunnah not only 'add' to the Koran but has next to no historical continuity with the earliest known book of hadith (Bukhari or Muslim) being compiled around 197 A.H - Thats more than a 150 years after the Prophet (PBUH) 's death & even at that you've got a myriad Ahadith who're not word for word the same with minor omissions or additions to them even when multiple ahadhith might have the same context

It is pertinent that you read as to how these hadiath were compiled. Imam Bukhari especially has an additional appendix that outlines how he collected these sayings(which were NOT forgotten but passed on through generations). If you look at why the Quran is preserved as it is; through the system of Reciters and Hafiz who would be tested again and again and corroborated through others on the accuracy of their revision.. so that as it was recited to the earliest companions, it is recited today.
Otherwise, the Bible and the rest all were written down as well but changed over the years.

On the other hand, The Quran is complete..
BUT, if it is all that there was.... and no further completion of the religion was needed. Then why have a prophet?
There is no virtual demonstration of the exact method of prayer, or of Hajj , or any of the other actions carried out. Who demonstrated them?
After all, if your approach is taken then there is no need for a Prophet as well. God Might as well have written it all out in the sky and let everybody get it for themselves?!

The Prophets purpose, was to demonstrate and explain what the verses of the Quran meant and what their implications are in life. hence, his role in Islam is fairly important. Your approach is incorrect in taking Hadiath as a scripture.. rather than understanding it as the prophets actions.
Moreover, why are many Hadiath the same or sound same?
How many times have you repeated an argument here? how many different people have read those different posts of yours and mentioned you saying something similar in different ways?
Is it then not possible that the Prophet mentioned certain things more than once? reported by more than one person to his family who passed it on? It was precisely this loss of accuracy that spurred people like Imam Bukhari to record as much of these various sayings as to preserve them as accurately as possible. Again, the research methods used to collect them , their degrees of accuracy are all explained.

As to whether the Sunnah(of which the Hadiath are a part of) was supposed to be a part of religion... the Prophet's last sermon should explain it all. He had demonstrated all the instructions that were given in the Quran regarding prayers, fasting etc. Hence, it was through his example that the religion was complete.. otherwise as I said before.. God might as well have flashed the verses in the sky .. you think that would have worked?

 

[Armstrong]

It is pertinent that you read as to how these hadiath were compiled. Imam Bukhari especially has an additional appendix that outlines how he collected these sayings(which were NOT forgotten but passed on through generations). If you look at why the Quran is preserved as it is; through the system of Reciters and Hafiz who would be tested again and again and corroborated through others on the accuracy of their revision.. so that as it was recited to the earliest companions, it is recited today.
Otherwise, the Bible and the rest all were written down as well but changed over the years.

On the other hand, The Quran is complete..
BUT, if it is all that there was.... and no further completion of the religion was needed. Then why have a prophet?
There is no virtual demonstration of the exact method of prayer, or of Hajj , or any of the other actions carried out. Who demonstrated them?
After all, if your approach is taken then there is no need for a Prophet as well. God Might as well have written it all out in the sky and let everybody get it for themselves?

The Prophets purpose, was to demonstrate and explain what the verses of the Quran meant and what their implications are in life. hence, his role in Islam is fairly important. Your approach is incorrect in taking Hadiath as a scripture.. rather than understanding it as the prophets actions.
Moreover, why are many Hadiath the same or sound same?
How many times have you repeated an argument here? how many different people have read those different posts of yours and mentioned you saying something similar in different ways?
Is it then not possible that the Prophet mentioned certain things more than once? reported by more than one person to his family who passed it on? It was precisely this loss of accuracy that spurred people like Imam Bukhari to record as much of these various sayings as to preserve them as accurately as possible. Again, the research methods used to collect them , their degrees of accuracy are all explained.

As to whether the Sunnah(of which the Hadiath are a part of) was supposed to be a part of religion... the Prophet's last sermon should explain it all. He had demonstrated all the instructions that were given in the Quran regarding prayers, fasting etc. Hence, it was through his example that the religion was complete.. otherwise as I said before.. God might as well have flashed the verses in the sky .. you think that would have worked?

I've read the 'Science of Hadith' quite extensively but I've also read the many criticism of it that have cropped up throughout the ages ! And some of them are extremely pertinent !

And they - the Hadith - were not preserved throughout the generations otherwise there would be Historical Continuity to them which isn't there ! And it is precisely why there are differences in how they are reported, as you mentioned in the closing paragraphs of your post, is the reason why Hadith should be relegated to the realm of History as opposed to Faith ! Consider an analogy a Historian would claim that Julius Ceaser was reported to have said 'thus' on the floor of the Roman Senate at such & such a date or such & such an occasion & why ? Because we've got historical evidence that points towards a strong probability of him having said something to that effect ! Perhaps we should treat the Hadith in much a similar manner & instead of increasing our reliance on it in such a way that we create different paradigms out of it we simply consider it as part of a historical narrative that may or may not be correct !

You have a Prophet so that you Get the Prophecy or the Message in this Case - Could God have done it some other way ? Perhaps - Writing on the Sky or even letting Gabriel visit us in our very own Muslim rendition of a Bar Mitzvah may have been, in my humble opinion, a better bet ! Would certainly help with credibility when it comes to atheists & agnostics !

But he didn't - Dunno why he didn't ! But extrapolating that to mean that the Messenger is anything more than just a 'Messenger' & that his deeds & words should give birth to a second set of messages is something that crosses into the realm of 'imagination'; especially if there is nothing to that effect, explicitly, mentioned in the Koran !

Its a little like the whole notion of Immamate - Can't find any explicit mention of it in the Koran but its there in the Muslim Theology !

So we mustn't be clutching at straws over here !

Why not instead understand the Koran through understanding the nuances of Koranic Arabic & thereby understanding a said 'word' or 'term' in the Koran in the context of the rest of the Chapter of the Koran & how that particular word is being used in other places in the Koran ?

As far as the rituals are concerned - Prayer & Hajj !

The absence of a methodology there points towards one of two things - God didn't think it through & forgot mentioning the methodology in the Koran ! And only later when that fact dawned upon Him, he spun a story that it was His Messenger who was supposed to do show that !

Again that would be irrational & blasphemous !

So maybe its something else ? Maybe all that is required is in the 'Koran' ! Maybe all of these '2 Farz, 2 Sunnat, 2 Nafal etc.' are our creation ! A creation due to continued 'hearsay' that the Hadith are ! What if Prayer & Hajj & other such Rituals weren't supposed to be as Mechanical & Organized as we've made them out to be ? What if they were supposed to be purely Spiritual Paradigms without the degree of Organization that we've incorporated in them ?

No Muslim can go against the Prophet (PBUH) 's commandment because the Koran itself says that but what if whatever we're attributing towards him isn't what he did or said but rather hearsay that came about not over a few years or a few decades but over the better part of nearly 200 years.

And even a cursory study of the 'Criticism that is often leveled against Hadith' is enough to make one ask whether we're doing the right thing ?

But it certainly doesn't help that we've got a few dozen different sects many of whom are diagrammatically opposed to each other even in the fundamentals of theology !

And it surely doesn't help the fact that the Hadith that each 'sect' brings to the table has spurned different interpretations of the Koran & different to the point that someone who doesn't consult the Hadith would be flabergasted at if he were to look to the Koran & the interpretation of it !

' @Hyperion @LoveIcon @Secur

 

[Hyperion]

Boy, you certainly have the gift. I'm very proud to call you a brother.

Now let's top it up with some words from one of the greatest Muslim who ever lived:

I've read the 'Science of Hadith' quite extensively but I've also read the many criticism of it that have cropped up throughout the ages ! And some of them are extremely pertinent !

And they - the Hadith - were not preserved throughout the generations otherwise there would be Historical Continuity to them which isn't there ! And it is precisely why there are differences in how they are reported, as you mentioned in the closing paragraphs of your post, is the reason why Hadith should be relegated to the realm of History as opposed to Faith ! Consider an analogy a Historian would claim that Julius Ceaser was reported to have said 'thus' on the floor of the Roman Senate at such & such a date or such & such an occasion & why ? Because we've got historical evidence that points towards a strong probability of him having said something to that effect ! Perhaps we should treat the Hadith in much a similar manner & instead of increasing our reliance on it in such a way that we create different paradigms out of it we simply consider it as part of a historical narrative that may or may not be correct !

You have a Prophet so that you Get the Prophecy or the Message in this Case - Could God have done it some other way ? Perhaps - Writing on the Sky or even letting Gabriel visit us in our very own Muslim rendition of a Bar Mitzvah may have been, in my humble opinion, a better bet ! Would certainly help with credibility when it comes to atheists & agnostics !

But he didn't - Dunno why he didn't ! But extrapolating that to mean that the Messenger is anything more than just a 'Messenger' & that his deeds & words should give birth to a second set of messages is something that crosses into the realm of 'imagination'; especially if there is nothing to that effect, explicitly, mentioned in the Koran !

Its a little like the whole notion of Immamate - Can't find any explicit mention of it in the Koran but its there in the Muslim Theology !

So we mustn't be clutching at straws over here !

Why not instead understand the Koran through understanding the nuances of Koranic Arabic & thereby understanding a said 'word' or 'term' in the Koran in the context of the rest of the Chapter of the Koran & how that particular word is being used in other places in the Koran ?

As far as the rituals are concerned - Prayer & Hajj !

The absence of a methodology there points towards one of two things - God didn't think it through & forgot mentioning the methodology in the Koran ! And only later when that fact dawned upon Him, he spun a story that it was His Messenger who was supposed to do show that !

Again that would be irrational & blasphemous !

So maybe its something else ? Maybe all that is required is in the 'Koran' ! Maybe all of these '2 Farz, 2 Sunnat, 2 Nafal etc.' are our creation ! A creation due to continued 'hearsay' that the Hadith are ! What if Prayer & Hajj & other such Rituals weren't supposed to be as Mechanical & Organized as we've made them out to be ? What if they were supposed to be purely Spiritual Paradigms without the degree of Organization that we've incorporated in them ?

No Muslim can go against the Prophet (PBUH) 's commandment because the Koran itself says that but what if whatever we're attributing towards him isn't what he did or said but rather hearsay that came about not over a few years or a few decades but over the better part of nearly 200 years.

And even a cursory study of the 'Criticism that is often leveled against Hadith' is enough to make one ask whether we're doing the right thing ?

But it certainly doesn't help that we've got a few dozen different sects many of whom are diagrammatically opposed to each other even in the fundamentals of theology !

And it surely doesn't help the fact that the Hadith that each 'sect' brings to the table has spurned different interpretations of the Koran & different to the point that someone who doesn't consult the Hadith would be flabergasted at if he were to look to the Koran & the interpretation of it !

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[Sugarcane]

I've read the 'Science of Hadith' quite extensively but I've also read the many criticism of it that have cropped up throughout the ages ! And some of them are extremely pertinent !

And they - the Hadith - were not preserved throughout the generations otherwise there would be Historical Continuity to them which isn't there ! And it is precisely why there are differences in how they are reported, as you mentioned in the closing paragraphs of your post, is the reason why Hadith should be relegated to the realm of History as opposed to Faith ! Consider an analogy a Historian would claim that Julius Ceaser was reported to have said 'thus' on the floor of the Roman Senate at such & such a date or such & such an occasion & why ? Because we've got historical evidence that points towards a strong probability of him having said something to that effect ! Perhaps we should treat the Hadith in much a similar manner & instead of increasing our reliance on it in such a way that we create different paradigms out of it we simply consider it as part of a historical narrative that may or may not be correct !

You have a Prophet so that you Get the Prophecy or the Message in this Case - Could God have done it some other way ? Perhaps - Writing on the Sky or even letting Gabriel visit us in our very own Muslim rendition of a Bar Mitzvah may have been, in my humble opinion, a better bet ! Would certainly help with credibility when it comes to atheists & agnostics !

But he didn't - Dunno why he didn't ! But extrapolating that to mean that the Messenger is anything more than just a 'Messenger' & that his deeds & words should give birth to a second set of messages is something that crosses into the realm of 'imagination'; especially if there is nothing to that effect, explicitly, mentioned in the Koran !

Its a little like the whole notion of Immamate - Can't find any explicit mention of it in the Koran but its there in the Muslim Theology !

So we mustn't be clutching at straws over here !

Why not instead understand the Koran through understanding the nuances of Koranic Arabic & thereby understanding a said 'word' or 'term' in the Koran in the context of the rest of the Chapter of the Koran & how that particular word is being used in other places in the Koran ?

As far as the rituals are concerned - Prayer & Hajj !

The absence of a methodology there points towards one of two things - God didn't think it through & forgot mentioning the methodology in the Koran ! And only later when that fact dawned upon Him, he spun a story that it was His Messenger who was supposed to do show that !

Again that would be irrational & blasphemous !

So maybe its something else ? Maybe all that is required is in the 'Koran' ! Maybe all of these '2 Farz, 2 Sunnat, 2 Nafal etc.' are our creation ! A creation due to continued 'hearsay' that the Hadith are ! What if Prayer & Hajj & other such Rituals weren't supposed to be as Mechanical & Organized as we've made them out to be ? What if they were supposed to be purely Spiritual Paradigms without the degree of Organization that we've incorporated in them ?

No Muslim can go against the Prophet (PBUH) 's commandment because the Koran itself says that but what if whatever we're attributing towards him isn't what he did or said but rather hearsay that came about not over a few years or a few decades but over the better part of nearly 200 years.

And even a cursory study of the 'Criticism that is often leveled against Hadith' is enough to make one ask whether we're doing the right thing ?

But it certainly doesn't help that we've got a few dozen different sects many of whom are diagrammatically opposed to each other even in the fundamentals of theology !

And it surely doesn't help the fact that the Hadith that each 'sect' brings to the table has spurned different interpretations of the Koran & different to the point that someone who doesn't consult the Hadith would be flabergasted at if he were to look to the Koran & the interpretation of it !

' @Hyperion @LoveIcon @Secur

Few points i want to add -

1 - 5 pillars of Islam is not new thing those were already there but corrupted - Prophet SAW came to purge those corruption and deliver final message.

2 - Important things regarding prayer (i.e. timing, direction, Prostration, method of ablution etc.) are already there in Quran - If someone conform to those is enough, obviously doing at as per Sunnah of Prophet will be best.

3 - There are clear versus in Quran warning about corruption/fabrication and interestingly God used word "Hadith" for pointing to these corruption.

4 - Most important thing If you read Quran every time when God orders for Salah there is one must thing with that "Zakat", You will find versus about relaxation of Salah but there is no single verse about relaxation of "Zakat" & it's clearly mentioned that Zakat should be given whenever you receive Income. I have yet to find a person who is following this order (except jews)