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Shadow of Brutal ’79 War Darkens Vietnam’s View of China Relations

Please take time to learn some history. When Vietnam War first started, Soviet and China relation were tight until the mid Vietnam War when we split apart. We became enemy in that short period. You chose the Soviet over us. Despite the split, we continue to help you but at much reduce rate. By the time you won the war with the South, we are not your friend so you cannot say we betray you when we are not friend. That all happened in the late 70s. By the 70s, you and Soviet are one alliance while we with the West align together in that time period.

Again, learn history my friend. Soviet leader, Nikita Khrushchev was the first one to betray the Communist brotherhood when he shake hand with Capitalist West. That is one of the main reason we felt he betrayed Stalin. We seek the Maoist path which is very conservative in the Communism theory. In fact, we were the most Communist all of Communists until we discovered our belief in this ideology served us no good but led to the delusional of a brotherhood that never existed. So we tried to cooperate with the West to destroy the post-Stalin Soviet Communist because we felt they were not true communist anymore. You are loyal to the Soviet at that time. Take some time to learn, my friend.

The Sino-Soviet split (1960–1989) was the worsening of political and ideological relations between the People's Republic of China(PRC) and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) during the Cold War. In the 1960s, China and the Soviet Union were the two largest communist states in the world. The doctrinal divergence derived from Chinese and Russian national interests, and from the régimes' different interpretations of Marxism: Maoism and Marxism–Leninism.

In the 1950s and the 1960s, ideological debate between the communist parties of Russia and China also concerned the possibility of peaceful coexistence with the capitalist West. Yet, to the Chinese public, Mao Zedong proposed a belligerent attitude towards capitalist countries, an initial rejection of peaceful coexistence, which he perceived as Marxist revisionism from the Soviet Union.[1]

Moreover, since 1956 (when Nikita Khrushchev denounced the legacy of Stalin), China and the USSR had progressively diverged about Marxist ideology, and, by 1961, when the doctrinal differences proved intractable, the Communist Party of China formally denounced the Soviet variety ofcommunism as a product of "Revisionist Traitors".
Chinese supply dropped right after VN beaten France and significantly dropped when the US started sending troops to VN. All while the Soviet supply kept increasing non-stop. VN could easily fall in to Soviet open arms (in fact we did in the end of VN war), but during the war VN tried its best to balance between China and Soviet.

I suggest you take a look at a topic here in PDF about our PM Le Duan thought in 1979, right after the border war, so you could understand about VN position between China and Soviet. The translation is realy close with the VNese document and should give you a different POV.

Comrade B in 1979 : the comment and prediction of a Vietnam leader on China aggression (Mao, Deng)
 
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Chinese supply dropped right after VN beaten France and significantly dropped when the US started sending troops to VN. All while the Soviet supply kept increasing non-stop. VN could easily fall in to Soviet open arms (in fact we did in the end of VN war), but during the war VN tried its best to balance between China and Soviet.

I suggest you take a look at a topic here in PDF about our PM Le Duan thought in 1979, right after the border war, so you could understand about VN position between China and Soviet. The translation is realy close with the VNese document and should give you a different POV.

Comrade B in 1979 : the comment and prediction of a Vietnam leader on China aggression (Mao, Deng)
Learn, my friend.

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http://www3.nccu.edu.tw/~lorenzo/Jian China Involvement Vietnam.pdf

I don't have an interest in teaching you any further.
 
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I thought it was a joke that a Japanese opened this thread.

I know of a much bigger, indeed, a gigantic shadow of another bestially war that darkens the view of one nation's relation with its neighbours.
 
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Both the author and the source of the table are Chinese, that's should reduce some credibility. But I will investigate further before making more comment about aiding issue.
I'm not here to defend anything. I don't care whether you believe we help you or not. What is most important is we already know your ungrateful nature and will never aid you again.
 
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I'm not here to defend anything. I don't care whether you believe we help you or not. What is most important is we already know your ungrateful nature and will never aid you again.
Aid ur Chinese kid first, they r frozen and starving to death in trash bin now
 
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@somsak , @Battle of Bach Dang River ,

A little bit of rivalry is never a bad thing, in fact, it drives the competitive edge and can work to even increases production and efficiency. Don't take the rivalry between Muang Thai and Viet Nam as a bad thing, think of it as healthy.

True, Viet Nam may have political influence in Muang Lao and Kampuchea, but Muang Thai has the cultural competitive edge in terms of influence in Laos.

I think by focusing on the similarities and interests, can overcome the cultural differences.

OT: @somsak , have you heard of the Thai singer named Uthen Prommin Kay Ray Winyan? There is a song of his that I'm fond of and it is pertinent to the situation between Thai Land and Viet Nam. Symbolically, i mean.


Yes. We are history in the making. We are the future builder. Lets look forward.
@Nihonjin1051 I don't know that singer (hahaha). His song in youtube is quite nice, easy to listen. Im the one who do not watch TV.
I like Doraemon, Death Note, 新暗行御史 and numerous other mangas.
 
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I'm not here to defend anything. I don't care whether you believe we help you or not. What is most important is we already know your ungrateful nature and will never aid you again.

what did china with our enemies in back of Vietnam in cold war 1954 with France and 1972 with American, dirty policy chinese smuggler ? Chinese traitor don't have right to say about human moral here.

China is traitor.
 
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Yes. We are history in the making. We are the future builder. Lets look forward.
@Nihonjin1051 I don't know that singer (hahaha). His song in youtube is quite nice, easy to listen. Im the one who do not watch TV.
I like Doraemon, Death Note, 新暗行御史 and numerous other mangas.


ha ha ha. on a side note, @somsak , i'm very fond of listening to Morlum and Luktung music from Thailand. I don't know the lyrics, but the beat and tone is addictive to listen to. :lol:

Thai language is very unique , soft to listen to, in my honest opinion. :-)

You know this one?




btw, @Battle of Bach Dang River , @Viet , @xesy

This is the Vietnamese version of that Thai song i had shared with @somsak in my previous post. The title is "Baby I'm so sorry". Seems to me that Thai and Vietnamese have the tendency of copying each others' songs. Their individual versions are beautiful, i might add.

 
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what did china with our enemies in back of Vietnam in cold war 1954 with France and 1972 with American, dirty policy chinese smuggler ? Chinese traitor don't have right to say about human moral here.

China is traitor.
The biggest mistake we made was helping you. This is something we have learn and why we will not support you again.
 
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The biggest mistake we made was helping you. This is something we have learn and why we will not support you again.

The biggest mistake we made in cold war is to belive in " voluntary help " from CPC, in fact china used such help to take a position to shake hands with our enemy got her own interests. Thks for Russian, they are trusted our ally in Vietnam war. Biggest help belong to them but Russian don't calculated like idiot smuggler.

Kim Song Il is right when he said that: " China is turncoat and our enemy ". It is true face of China.
 
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This is something we have learn and why we will not support you again.

Don't let your emotions cloud your judgment or influence your verbiage. Viet Nam and China continue their bilateral trade, and China remains one of the top export source for Viet Nam at $32 Billion.

Politically , relations seem strained, but economically, they are as vibrant as ever.

:whistle:
 
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The biggest mistake we made in cold war is to belive in " voluntary help " from CPC, in fact china used such help to take a position to shake hands with our enemy got her own interests.

Kim Song Il is right when he said that: " China is turncoat and our enemy ". It is true face of China.
You have to understand that we don't need to help you. There is no logical reason for us to help you other than the fact we wholeheartedly believe in the Communist brotherhood which was a lie to us by the Soviet Union. You also need to understand we helped you despite having difficult time during the famine. Those resources could be use for ourselves, instead we gave it to you. Ungrateful by you and North Korea. We got nothing out of helping you and North Korea. To this day, we regret involving in so many meaningless war that offer us nothing of value. That is why we don't commit to war elsewhere or any global issue and will remain non-interventionist for a long time.


Don't let your emotions cloud your judgment or influence your verbiage. Viet Nam and China continue their bilateral trade, and China remains one of the top export source for Viet Nam at $32 Billion.

Politically , relations seem strained, but economically, they are as vibrant as ever.

:whistle:
Not really. Bilateral trade is small compare to what we do with other country. Also if you notice, we invest very little in this country.
 
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Don't let your emotions cloud your judgment or influence your verbiage. Viet Nam and China continue their bilateral trade, and China remains one of the top export source for Viet Nam at $32 Billion.

Politically , relations seem strained, but economically, they are as vibrant as ever.

:whistle:

UK AND GERMANY has very close trade relations, and then world war broke out. It's due to imbalance.
 
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Not really. Bilateral trade is small compare to what we do with other country. Also if you notice, we invest very little in this country.

Friend,

I pray that you don't take your discourse with Vietnamese posters here too personally. There are always two sides of the story.

That said, I do hope relations between your homeland and Viet Nam remain a working one, with possibility of restitution of trust.
 
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