Shadow of Brutal ’79 War Darkens Vietnam’s View of China Relations

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

@somsak
Have you ever seen someone can conquer other country by his mouth?

 

[Kolaps]

@All Vietnamese members here...

It seems when it come to war with China, you people seem can't forget it and more emotionally. The impression is like you people even more emotionally and angrier than the war with US, even US committed far greater damage.

I wonder.... if Vietnam was actually lost to China?

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

@All Vietnamese members here...

It seems when it come to war with China, you people seem can't forget it and more emotionally. The impression is like you people even more emotionally and angrier than the war with US, even US committed far greater damage.

I wonder.... if Vietnam was actually lost to China?

Vietnam exists today thanks to fighting resiliently against chinese invaders 17 times.
And you can see we are still here and continuing to fight against chinese aggression...

 

[somsak]

@somsak
Have you ever seen someone can conquer other country by his mouth?

No. not yet.
why?

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

No. not yet.
why?

So why do you continue to worry it?

 

[somsak]

So why do you continue to worry it?

Some Thai says

"Beware of Thought, because thought become words"
"Beware of words, because words become actions"

Im worry because I think Vietnamese is smart & hard working people. They are more likely to success it what ever they want to do.
If there intension is expansionism, then Im worry.

However, Thailand is my home country. If Vietnam army success in conquest of Thailand. I loss my country&become boat people. Thats what Im worry.

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I think Vietnamese is smart in IQ and toughness. Therefore, given a battlefield, they are going to exel. I think Thailand (elte) still smarter than Vietnam in EQ and Social ability. Therefore Thailand ('s elite) is more skillful in diplomacy and statecraft.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Some Thai says

"Beware of Thought, because thought become words"
"Beware of words, because words become actions"

Im worry because I think Vietnamese is smart & hard working people. They are more likely to success it what ever they want to do.
If there intension is expansionism, then Im worry.

However, Thailand is my home country. If Vietnam army success in conquest of Thailand. I loss my country&become boat people. Thats what Im worry.

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I think Vietnamese is smart in IQ and toughness. Therefore, given a battlefield, they are going to exel. I think Thailand (elte) still smarter than Vietnam in EQ and Social ability. Therefore Thailand ('s elite) is more skillful in diplomacy and statecraft.

No, it's just a misunderstanding in the past, when our airmy chased Khmer Rouge to border of Cambodia-Thailand.
Now the two countries Vietnam-Thailand have established strategic partnerships.
You are richer than us, your army is not weaker than ours. So your anxiety is just a myth.

 

[Zsari]

Some Thai says

"Beware of Thought, because thought become words"
"Beware of words, because words become actions"

Im worry because I think Vietnamese is smart & hard working people. They are more likely to success it what ever they want to do.
If there intension is expansionism, then Im worry.

However, Thailand is my home country. If Vietnam army success in conquest of Thailand. I loss my country&become boat people. Thats what Im worry.

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I think Vietnamese is smart in IQ and toughness. Therefore, given a battlefield, they are going to exel. I think Thailand (elte) still smarter than Vietnam in EQ and Social ability. Therefore Thailand ('s elite) is more skillful in diplomacy and statecraft.

Dia Viet has always been ambitious. They swallowed Champa, occupied Khmer, attacked Malacca, exerting control over LanXang. Siam isn't too far from them.

 

[EastSea]

In all ASEAN members, only Vietnam is the masochism, even nobody intend to do so.

one more stupid troll, idiot chinese.

 

[xesy]

@All Vietnamese members here...

It seems when it come to war with China, you people seem can't forget it and more emotionally. The impression is like you people even more emotionally and angrier than the war with US, even US committed far greater damage.

I wonder.... if Vietnam was actually lost to China?

Ah, I can explain that to you. Our history textbook teaches us that China, once a brother, stabbed Vietnam in the back by making deal with the US in 1972, then supported Khmer Rogue to attack VN in 1978 and then invaded Vietnam in 1979 (other skimishes between the 2 countries are not taught in schools). People can respect enemies, but hate traitors, and to many Vietnamese, China betrayed Vietnam first. So you see VN mems get emotional easily when it comes to VN-China conflicts.

And about who won or lost the war, can't say for sure. Both sides declared victory but never said anything about the other declaration. But for sure VN and Chinese blood were both spilled.

 

[somsak]

No, it's just a misunderstanding in the past, when our airmy chased Khmer Rouge to border of Cambodia-Thailand.
Now the two countries Vietnam-Thailand have established strategic partnerships.
You are richer than us, your army is not weaker than ours. So your anxiety is just a myth.

Like I said in the previous post in this thread. Today Thailand do not afraid anymore.
You have formidable veteran generals. But your troops are new.
Still there are 2 buffer countries: Lao & Cambodia, which are much stronger than in the past.
Like I said in previous post. I stand for Thai stance the peaceful & prosperity of all ASEAN members.
Soon we will become AEC, a single community. Soon we will compute, not by armies of states, but by your very name.
Therefore, I must welcome new migration from ASEAN. I only hope that VN population does not have latent expansionism policy in there hearts. Action = reaction, what you think creates what protection will have, and the reciprocal holds.

 

[xunzi]

Ah, I can explain that to you. Our history textbook teaches us that China, once a brother, stabbed Vietnam in the back by making deal with the US in 1972, then supported Khmer Rogue to attack VN in 1978 and then invaded Vietnam in 1979 (other skimishes between the 2 countries are not taught in schools). People can respect enemies, but hate traitors, and to many Vietnamese, China betrayed Vietnam first. So you see VN mems get emotional easily when it comes to VN-China conflicts.

And about who won or lost the war, can't say for sure. Both sides declared victory but never said anything about the other declaration. But for sure VN and Chinese blood were both spilled.

We learn that you are an ungrateful country who will align with the strong force whenever you have a choice. Cheap ho. LOL Remember the reason we stabbed you is because you chose the Soviet Union during the split in 1969. There is no love and loss between us. Everyone goes after their interest. We no longer believe in the Communist brotherhood.

 

[Aepsilons]

@somsak , @Battle of Bach Dang River ,

A little bit of rivalry is never a bad thing, in fact, it drives the competitive edge and can work to even increases production and efficiency. Don't take the rivalry between Muang Thai and Viet Nam as a bad thing, think of it as healthy.

True, Viet Nam may have political influence in Muang Lao and Kampuchea, but Muang Thai has the cultural competitive edge in terms of influence in Laos.

I think by focusing on the similarities and interests, can overcome the cultural differences.

OT: @somsak , have you heard of the Thai singer named Uthen Prommin Kay Ray Winyan? There is a song of his that I'm fond of and it is pertinent to the situation between Thai Land and Viet Nam. Symbolically, i mean.

 

[xesy]

We learn that you are an ungrateful country who will align with the strong force whenever you have a choice. Cheap ho. LOL Remember the reason we stabbed you is because you chose the Soviet Union during the split in 1969. There is no love and loss between us. Everyone goes after their interest. We no longer believe in the Communist brotherhood.

You are contradicting yourself. Since both Soviet and China helped VN, you can't say VN betrayed China for Soviet. It was of best interest for China to make VN a 2nd Korea, splitted and constantly at war. VN leaders disagreed and lean towards Soviet for they wanted an united VN.

China was the first country to forsake Communist brotherhood and Internationalism by shaking hand with the US in the height of the Cold War, so yeah, you are right about that.

 

[xunzi]

You are contradicting yourself. Since both Soviet and China helped VN, you can't say VN betrayed China for Soviet. It was of best interest for China to make VN a 2nd Korea, splitted and constantly at war. VN leaders disagreed and lean towards Soviet for they wanted an united VN.

China was the first country to forsake Communist brotherhood and Internationalism by shaking hand with the US in the height of the Cold War, so yeah, you are right about that.

Please take time to learn some history. When Vietnam War first started, Soviet and China relation were tight until the mid Vietnam War when we split apart. We became enemy in that short period. You chose the Soviet over us. Despite the split, we continue to help you but at much reduce rate. By the time you won the war with the South, we are not your friend so you cannot say we betray you when we are not friend. That all happened in the late 70s. By the 70s, you and Soviet are one alliance while we with the West align together in that time period.

Again, learn history my friend. Soviet leader, Nikita Khrushchev was the first one to betray the Communist brotherhood when he shake hand with Capitalist West. That is one of the main reason we felt he betrayed Stalin. We seek the Maoist path which is very conservative in the Communism theory. In fact, we were the most Communist all of Communists until we discovered our belief in this ideology served us no good but led to the delusional of a brotherhood that never existed. So we tried to cooperate with the West to destroy the post-Stalin Soviet Communist because we felt they were not true communist anymore. You are loyal to the Soviet at that time. Take some time to learn, my friend.

The Sino-Soviet split (1960–1989) was the worsening of political and ideological relations between the People's Republic of China(PRC) and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) during the Cold War. In the 1960s, China and the Soviet Union were the two largest communist states in the world. The doctrinal divergence derived from Chinese and Russian national interests, and from the régimes' different interpretations of Marxism: Maoism and Marxism–Leninism.

In the 1950s and the 1960s, ideological debate between the communist parties of Russia and China also concerned the possibility of peaceful coexistence with the capitalist West. Yet, to the Chinese public, Mao Zedong proposed a belligerent attitude towards capitalist countries, an initial rejection of peaceful coexistence, which he perceived as Marxist revisionism from the Soviet Union.[1]

Moreover, since 1956 (when Nikita Khrushchev denounced the legacy of Stalin), China and the USSR had progressively diverged about Marxist ideology, and, by 1961, when the doctrinal differences proved intractable, the Communist Party of China formally denounced the Soviet variety ofcommunism as a product of "Revisionist Traitors".