Kamorta is only P28 series,its follow on 8 P28A are coming soon.You see unlike type 056 which is a coastal ship with low tonnage,kamorta is a true blue water ship of frigate level with plenty of space left open for any future upgrades.Its a dedicated ASW and unlike type 56 actually had passive countermeasures /anti torpedo decoy launchers and a hangar .I don't understand how you can have a credible ASW ship without a hangar based helo.Total we will have 12 dedicated ASW corvettes which are frigates in all but name.Unlike PLAN which is faced by a 100 odd japanese and american submarines we have at best half a dozen PN subs and whatever subs the PLAN can send without running out of endurance from faraway SCS to worry about.So we don't need such gigantic numbers,we need quality.Coupled with the latest P-8 poseidons,our own subs and other ships,maybe the 22 guardian drones we can deal with the issue.Also unlike PLAN all our major warships(destroyer level) are equipped with 2 ASW helicopters rather than 1 for better,wider and consistent coverage.
Coming soon. When was the first Kamorta laid down? How soon is soon. Kamorta is not a frigate level ship, compare the armament and radars on a frigate with Kamorta and you tell me which one is it similar to.
The 056 has a role in the SCS and ECS yes, and they most likely won't leave it in any conflict, but it is not expected to conduit major operations. It is simply to monitor and patrol a large area around home waters, while larger ships conduct offensive operations. So unless your Kamorta does more than that, it would not be a game changer compared to 056 in that role. Unlike a 002 V Nimitz situation.
Even if I am to accept the role you think Kamorta should play, that would place the Kamorta in the 054A class, which compared to 054A is not a credible ship in this role at all.
Another point to consider, as China adds Djibouti base, an actual military base where we will base ships and men, home water to these ships don't have to be the China seas.
In total, you have 3+1 construction ASW corvette, forgive me if I don't place particular faith in ships you constructed in the 90s.
Without a hanger, 056 cannot conduct blue water operations yes, but again that is not its role. If you think with a hanger Kamorta can be an effective force on its own, or be part of a major battle group, then let me mention they cannot, nothing in history have ever indicated that they could play such a role.
I am happy you mentioned Japanese and American subs, because their submarines are going to be key in future Chinese development. American ASW innovation came at the constant "battles" they engaged in with the Soviets. So yes, you don't have to faced them, but in a conflict, not that there would be one, neither of these two country will come to your aid. In this sense, their existence is only positive. China's ASW capability certainly wouldn't have increased by this much if not for them.
The fact that you think you have it covered really shows how unprepared the Indian navy is. ASW is unpredictable in the best of times, and yet you think it's no problems at all. This is the same mindset China had 20 years back, it is only through playing these great power games with America has China really realized how limited its capabilities are and started to expand them.
But sure, I am sure 8 planes and 3 ships are going to handle the dozens of modern submarines we have. (ones that we have exported at the expense of other naval powers, including France and Germany, not necessarily means we are better, but it does mean we are in the ball park)
Nope I agree with
@Michael Corleone 100% and
@madokafc as well , Indian navy is definitely not a blue water navy, neither is China...though both are on their way, over time lets see....it will take quite a while. They both have some blue water capabilities (like other major navies), but thats different to "blue water navy".
True blue water navy is only the USN in my books. One can make an argument for UK and France to limited extent too. It all depends how much power projection and for how long a Navy can sustain across in
any and
all maritime theaters in the world.
@AUSTERLITZ @Vergennes
That is
very very different to blue water navy you were harping on about earlier.
What capabilities do you consider to be a blue water navy? This is more directed at France and UK than US. I respond to your other post later.