SH-15 Self propelled howitzer under trials by Pakistan army?

[Muhammad Omar]

yah wonder how they get to know about our stuff earlier than us..
I also heard a news from india that of those 8 submarines the first one's construction will start in 1-1.5 years.Is that legit news?

Well the 4 submarines will be constructed in China while 4 in Karachi Pakistan and according to Navy the construction of 1st submarine in Pakistan to start in 1.5 years

The news is also in Pakistan Navy section

 

[denel]

I am referring to Pakistan buying used m109s and G6(unlikely) from UAE. There is precedent, bought used systems from Italy recently.

Unlikely, I have not heard of G6 being sold off... a friend was there for maintenance and upgrades.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

One thing to note here from the second pic is that this gun is placing whole barrel weight on ground while in firing position means truck chassis is free of Guns weight and recoil. This will give more accuracy and less wear and tear. Nice design.

Exactly. Other self-propelled howitzers usually have its chassis as the front support. However truck suspension even the special ones is not designed to handle the huge recoil, which affects the stability and accuracy of the howitzer, particularly in the case of large caliber gun.

The hydraulic suspension of SH15 means it can lower the chassis near the ground and with another stand in the front the gun is essentially “disengaged” from the chassis to form a very solid firing platforms and achieve the high accuracy.

Also just to point out the key strength of this howizer is its accuracy, due to its design around the hydraulic suspension mechanism on chassis. Coupling with high mobility and computerized system, it is designed as a high accuracy, high responsiveness weapon as opposed to nuclear delivery device, which does not need much accuracy.

By the way, the truck the gun is mounted on is not day to day civilian truck (the Indian newspaper got it wrong), it is developed by Taian Special Vehicle Group, for the ones who are not familiar with their product range, here are some pictures:

 

[kinsr]

Exactly. Other self-propelled howitzer usually has its chassis as the front support. However truck suspension even the special ones is not designed to handle the huge recoil, which affects the stability and accuracy of the howitzer, particularly in the case of large caliber gun.

The hydraulic suspension of SH15 means it can lower the chassis near the ground and with another stand in the front the gun is essentially “disengaged” from the chassis to form a very solid firing platforms and achieve the high accuracy.

Also just to point out the key strength of this howizer is its accuracy, due to its design around the hydraulic suspension mechanism on chassis.

Will it not effect the time to get into a firing position? And eventually won't it increase the time to scoot once it's fired?

 

[BHarwana]

Here is a pic in a different camo.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

Will it not effect the time to get into a firing position? And eventually won't it increase the time to scoot once it's fired?

Hydraulic suspension can lower the chassis down in seconds. Also the gun can start the process of aiming earlier as it doesn’t require additional leveling that may be needed with separate stands. SH15 is a step up in terms of accuracy and deployment time from the older generation.

 

[IceCold]

Yes they dont.

Please elaborate! on the shortcomings for this and what should be the idle replacement for Pakistan?

Firing stability（=accuracy) comparison

French Caesar

Swedish Archer

Chinese SH15

Click on the link below if the images fail to show

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=Mz...e=1&scene=1&srcid=1202Kz85BSb6r0Sv8w4lfxGm#rd

The SH15 did not even budge unlike the above two Archer and Ceaser. Wonderful addition in our fleet.

 

[Signalian]

The mobility in desert will be crucial for a wheeled vehicle keeping pace.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The mobility in desert will be crucial for a wheeled vehicle keeping pace.

Will it be able to fire DU shells?

 

[Path-Finder]

I saw a self felatio video by an indian bad mouthing the SH-15 it was amusing.

 

[Signalian]

Will it be able to fire DU shells?

would an arty gun really need du rounds ? HE isnt good enough?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

would an arty gun really need du rounds ? HE isnt good enough?

I'm no expert in it!!! But, somewhere I read Pak has DU rounds!! During the Gulf Wars, I think DU rounds were extensively used against the armored units...

 

[Signalian]

I'm no expert in it!!! But, somewhere I read Pak has DU rounds!! During the Gulf Wars, I think DU rounds were extensively used against the armored units...

DU rounds are used for armor-piercing purpose for MBT vs MBT (or other AFV) combat. MBT may need to penetrate the rival MBT from front or side so needs armor piercing round.

Artillery howitzers like M-109 fire on a trajectory so the round could smash the top hull or top turret side (where armor is thin).

This is why Artillery doesn't really require a DU round.

 

[krash]

I'm no expert in it!!! But, somewhere I read Pak has DU rounds!! During the Gulf Wars, I think DU rounds were extensively used against the armored units...

Yup, according to Jane's we have developed a 125mm and a 105mm Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) DU round for our two different tank gun calibres (AK/T80UD & Type 59). The 125mm round is named Naiza (javelin).

DU rounds are used for armor-piercing purpose for MBT vs MBT (or other AFV) combat. MBT may need to penetrate the rival MBT from front or side so needs armor piercing round.

Artillery howitzers like M-109 fire on a trajectory so the round could smash the top hull or top turret side (where armor is thin).

This is why Artillery doesn't really require a DU round.

Furthermore, Artillery's main utility is still based more around large AOE HE ordnance as opposed to pinpoint, point to point, targeting of opposing assets. This though is seemingly changing with the ongoing development of smart artillery rounds.

 

[war&peace]

4-6 rounds/min according to ArmyRecognition.


SH15 has a 52-caliber barrel.

Nope, its calibre is 155mm