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Settle Kashmir and Get the Reward!!!

"That is a part of laddakh not kashmir ..Here we are talking about the area of kashmir which has been gifted by pakistan to china"

So here you are telling us that Laddakh is not part of Kashmir????
state has three region kashmir ,jammu and laddakh Yes it is part of state jammu and kashmir
and not part of kashmir

Atleast we fought for integrity of jammu and kashmir and lost some territoryNever compromised with that and gifted it like a piece of cake
 
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UN is a FAILURE! Look how many Resolutions Israels Ignored! Look How USA Invaded Iraq! Where was the UN? UN should be dissolved!
UN is a failure when major countries involved in conflict
Have you seen structure of security council...
Its intension is to run the world according to top five..If there any difference of opinion UN will escape through virtual veto
 
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Atleast we fought for integrity of jammu and kashmir and lost some territoryNever compromised with that and gifted it like a piece of cake


R not you ashamed that you lost the territory so huge (almost same of Switzerland)???
but
Still you are proud of if? what a shame.....:what:

Also the friendship of China Pakistan is role model for whole world. Its up to our govt. what they decide for our land, if it is strategically good for china than whats prob in it. At least we don't lost any area to enemy in war :)
 
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R not you ashamed that you lost the territory so huge (almost same of Switzerland)???
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Still you are proud of if? what a shame.....:what:
we didnt give away a part of Kashmir to China! So much for the love of Kashmir and its People!!!
 
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*** for all the propagators***

Sino-Pakistan Frontier Agreement 1963

The Government of the People’s Republic of China and the Government of Pakistan;
HAVING agreed, with a view to ensuring the prevailing peace and tranquility on the border, to
formally delimit and demarcate the boundary between China’s Sinking and the contiguous areas
the defence of which is under the actual control of Pakistan, in a spirit of fairness,
reasonableness, mutual understanding and mutual accommodation, and on the basis of the ten
principles as enunciated in the Bandung conference.
Being convinced that this would not only give full expression to the desire of the people of China
and Pakistan for the development of good neighbourly and friendly relations, but also help
safeguard Asian and world peace.
Have resolved for this purpose to conclude the present agreement and have appointed as their
respective plenipotentiaries the following.
For the Government of the People’s Republic of China; Chen Yi, Minister of Foreign Affairs.
For the Government of the Pakistan Zulfikar Bhutto, Minister of External Affairs.
Who, having mutually examined their full powers and found them to be in good and due form
have agreed upon following:
Article 1
In view of the fact that the boundary between China’s Sinkiang and the contiguous areas the
defence of which is under the actual control of Pakistan has never been formally delimited, two
parties agree to delimit it on the basis of the traditional customary boundary line including
features and in a spirit of equality, mutual benefit and friendly cooperation.
Article 2
In accordance with the principle expounded in Article 1 of the present agreement, the two parties
have fixed as follows the alignment of the entire boundary line between China’s Sinkiang and the
contiguous areas the defence of which is under the actual control of Pakistan.
1) Commencing from its north western extremity at height 5,630 metres (a peak the reference
coordinates of which are approximately longitude 74 degrees 34 minutes east and latitude 37
degrees 3 minutes north), the boundary line runs generally eastward and then South-eastward
strictly along the main watershed between the tributaries of the Tashkurgan river of the Tarim
river system on the one hand on the tributes of the Hunza river of the Indus river system on the
other hand, passing through the Kilik Daban (Dawan), the Mintake Daban (pass), the Kharchanai
Daban (named on the Chinese map only), the Mutsgila Daban (named on the Chinese map only)
and the Parpik Pass (named on the Pakistan map only) and reaches the Khunjerab (Yutr Daban
(Pass).
2) After passing through the Kunjerab (Yutr) Daban (pass) the boundary line runs generally
southward along the above-mentioned main watershed upto a mountain-top south of the Daban
(pass), where it leaves the main watershed to follow the crest of a spur lying generally in a southeasterly
direction, which is the watershed between the Akjilga river ( a nameless corresponding
river on the Pakistan map) on the one hand, and the Taghumbash (Oprang) river and the Koliman
Su (Orang Jilga) on the other hand. According to the map of the Chinese side, the boundary line,
after leaving the south-eastern extremity of the spur, runs along a small section of the middle line
of the bed of the Koliman Su to reach its confluence with the Elechin river. According to the map
of the Pakistan side, the boundary line, after leaving the south-eastern extremity of this spur,
reaches the sharp bend of the Shaksgam of Muztagh river.
3) From the aforesaid point, the boundary lines runs up the Kelechin river (Shaksgam or Muztagh
river) along the middle line of its bed its confluence (reference coordinates approximately
longitude 76 degrees 2 minutes east and latitude 36 degrees 26 minutes north) with the
Shorbulak Daria (Shimshal river or Braldu river).
4) From the confluence of the aforesaid two rivers, the boundary line, according to the map of the
Chinese side, ascends the crest of a spur and runs along it to join the Karakoram range main
watershed at a mountain-top (reference coordinates approximately longitude 75 degrees 54
minutes east and latitude 36 degrees 15 minutes north) which on this map is shown as belonging
to the Shorgulak mountain. According to the map of the Pakistan side, the boundary line from the
confluence of the above mentioned two river ascends the crest of a corresponding spur and runs
along it, passing through height 6.520 meters (21,390 feet) till it joins the Karakoram range main
watershed at a peak (reference coordinates approximately longitude 75 degrees 57 minutes east
and latitude 36 degrees 3 minutes north).
5) Thence, the boundary line, running generally south-ward and then eastward strictly follows the
Karakoram range main watershed which separates the Tarim river
drainage system from the Indus river drainage system, passing through the east Mustagh pass
(Muztagh pass), the top of the Chogri peak (K-2) the top of the broad peak, the top of the
Gasherbrum mountain (8,068), the Indirakoli pass (names of the Chinese maps only) and the top
of the Teramn Kankri peak, and reaches its south-eastern extremity at the Karakoram pass. Then
alignment of the entire boundary line as described in section one of this article, has been drawn
on the one million scale map of the Pakistan side in English which are signed and attached to the
present agreement. In view of the fact that the maps of the two sides are not fully identical in their
representation of topographical features the two parties have agreed that the actual features on
the ground shall prevail, so far as the location and alignment of the boundary described in section
one is concerned, and that they will be determined as far as possible by bgint survey on the
ground.
Article 3
The two parties have agreed that:
i) Wherever the boundary follows a river, the middle line of the river bed shall be the boundary
line; and that
ii) Wherever the boundary passes through a deban (pass) the water-parting line thereof shall be
the boundary line.
Article 4
One the two parties have agreed to set up, as soon as possible, a joint boundary demarcation
commission. Each side will appoint a chairman, one or more members and a certain number of
advisers and technical staff. The joint boundary demarcation commission is charged with the
responsibility in accordance with the provisions of the present agreement, to hold concrete
discussions on and carry out the following tasks jointly.
1) To conduct necessary surveys of the boundary area on the ground, as stated in Article 2 of the
present agreement so as to set up boundary markers at places considered to be appropriate by
the two parties and to delineate the boundary line of the jointly prepared accurate maps.
To draft a protocol setting forth in detail the alignment of the entire boundary line and the location
of all the boundary markers and prepare and get printed detailed maps, to be attached to the
protocol, with the boundary line and the location of the boundary markers shown on them.
2) The aforesaid protocol, upon being signed by representatives of the governments of the two
countries, shall become an annex to the present agreement, and the detailed maps shall replace
the maps attached to the present agreement.
3) Upon the conclusion of the above-mentioned protocol, the tasks of the joint boundary
demarcation commission shall be terminated.
Article 5
The two parties have agreed that any dispute concerning the boundary which may arise after the
delimitation of boundary line actually existing between the two countries shall be settled
peacefully by the two parties through friendly consultations.
Article 6
The two parties have agreed that after the settlement of the Kashmir dispute between Pakistan
and India, the sovereign authority concerned will reopen negotiations with the Government of the
People’s Republic of China on the boundary as described in Article. Two of the present
agreement, so as to sign a formal boundary treaty to replace the present agreement, provided
that in the event of the sovereign authority being Pakistan, the provisions of the present
agreement and of the aforesaid protocol shall be maintained in the formal boundary treaty to be
signed between the People’s Republic of China and Pakistan.
Article 7
The present agreement shall come into force on the data of its signature.
Done in duplicate in Peking on the second day of March 1963, in the Chinese and English
languages, both side being equally authentic.
 
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The Kashmir land grant was done solely to win favour from China.

Some may think of it as simply bribery, others as pragmatic diplomacy, still others as a backhanded attempt to involve China in the dispute.

One wonders why such pragmatic diplomacy cannot be initiated with India as well - but then the answer is obvious, isn't it?
 
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The Kashmir land grant was done solely to win favour from China.

Some may think of it as simply bribery, others as pragmatic diplomacy, still others as a backhanded attempt to involve China in the dispute.

One wonders why such pragmatic diplomacy cannot be initiated with India as well - but then the answer is obvious, isn't it?

I have pasted the whole treaty for you read it. China released some Land to Pakistan and so do the Pakistan.
So you are just speaking the propaganda of your media here.
 
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I have pasted the whole treaty for you read it. China released some Land to Pakistan and so do the Pakistan.
So you are just speaking the propaganda of your media here.
Please quote where it says that china released land to pakistan dont twist the facts
 
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Please quote where it says that china released land to pakistan dont twist the facts

i think you havn't read the whole thread. anyhow let me tell you again .............Where did i said that this agreement mentioned the area i posted this in responce of some guys saying that Pakistan gifted it..it was a border treaty which was usefull for both parties......... Hope this time your tinny mind may catch what i am saying


In 1962 China Captured aksay-e-Chain, the land nearly the size of Switzerland. Indian army ran away like rats, then in 1963 Pakistan and China formed a treaty due to which Pakistan get 750 square miles of territory which china captured from india.

Now checkout how your media is brain washing you. India lost the land in war, Pakistan gets the Land with Love :)

So neither it was a gift nor we lostd it in war. Infact it was a gift for Pakistan from China

:pakistan::china:
 
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in 1963 Pakistan and China formed a treaty due to which Pakistan get 750 square miles of territory which china captured from india.

And your heart became so big that you gave 12000 sq km of kashmir area without asking permission from kashmiries..So much for love of kashmir one should appreciate..
 
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in 1963 Pakistan and China formed a treaty due to which Pakistan get 750 square miles of territory which china captured from india.

And your heart became so big that you gave 12000 sq km of kashmir area without asking permission from kashmiries..So much for love of kashmir one should appreciate..

ufffffffffffffffffffffffffffff i don't want to use harsh words............ read my previous reply again.
if you still unable to understand then i will teach you in ur mother tongue.
 
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ufffffffffffffffffffffffffffff i don't want to use harsh words............ read my previous reply again.
if you still unable to understand then i will teach you in ur mother tongue.
I have read that post..that one is nothing but playing with the words ..Do you think they will draft "We want to give this much land to china"

For your knowledge that treaty is to award land for china so that it can easily access Tibet nothing else
 
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I have read that post..that one is nothing but playing with the words ..Do you think they will draft "We want to give this much land to china"

For your knowledge that treaty is to award land for china so that it can easily access Tibet nothing else

You are irritating me now

English: In 1963 Pakistan and China formed a treaty due to which Pakistan get 750 square miles of territory which china captured from india.

Captured from india means indian ran from that land and china got that land and then 750 Square miles of that land came to Pakistan.



Hindi: 1963 में पाकिस्तान और चीन संधि बनायी गयी थी, जिसके कारण 750 पाकिस्तान मिलता है, जो वर्गाकार मील क्षेत्र भारत से चीन पर कब्जा कर लिया ।



पकड. भारत से भारतीय अर्थ से आई और चीन को मिला कि भूमि और फिर उस भूमि 750 वर्गाकार मील की उस भूमि से पाकिस्तान में आया ।
 
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Are you sure...?We have 1965 war .,kargil ,terrorism where UN said do all this things and if failed come to us..

I am sure - Al those things happened AFTER India chose to walk away from the UNS resolutions. The 65 war was a direct result of India's decision to not implement the UN resolutions. Check out the UN resolutions sticky thread in the Strategic affairs section. There are quotes from Nehru in the fifties where he is clearly indicating that India will not honor the UN resolutions, but instructing his government officials to 'maintain pretenses' for the international community.

The resort to 'non-peaceful' measures was the result of India walking away from the internationally and bilaterally accepted solution advocated in the UNSC resolutions.
 
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That is a part of laddakh not kashmir ..Here we are talking about the area of kashmir which has been gifted by pakistan to china


Fate of land given to China to be decided: *** PM
First, the land was barren and unpopulated,

Second, the land is not gifted, it is leased to China, and the Sino-Pak agreement on that land given to China clearly indicates that China will have to determine the final status of that land through negotiations with whoever has Kashmir settled in their favor. So it is not by any means a 'give away'.
 
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