Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

[[Bregs]]

@PARIKRAMA @Nilgiri @Abingdonboy

I don't know if it was already said here,but DCNS filed a lawsuit yesterday against "X" for breach of confidence,possession of stolen documents (recel in french),and complicity.
The case is now brought in court and they will decide to open a preliminary investigation,to give the case to investigating judges or close the case.

Now let's wait & see.

Sorry for the translation.

what does this mean by close the case bro ?

 

[Hellfire]

Main use of sonar, to remain discreet, is passive way. To know what is the freq. range is not very usefull. Except if a foreign country is able to make a sub emitting out that range. But that famous range is deep. Too deep !

Absolutely agreed. Going active will allow counter detection. But then, the warm waters of our neighbourhood, do tend to throw some interesting idiosyncrasies to any system being imported.

That is where, my earlier contention, that the difference will some in the doctrines,and SOPs as also the deployment concepts, in addition to the modifications being contemplated in light of the changed circumstances.

Any idea on the trade offs now?

 

[R!CK]

what does this mean by close the case bro ?

Yea if the court rules in favour of Mr. X, the case will be closed. This is when DCNS fails to prove that hes the culprit. It was just a general statement, don't worry about it.

Good Day!

 

[Hellfire]

what does this mean by close the case bro ?

Means if low grade stuff is there, it wont be taken as tantamount to espionage against nation ... merely industrial espionage?

 

[jha]

This episode has given us the just reason for cancelling P-75I and instead focus on own SSKs. HSL and MDL along with L&T can develop decent SSKs.

 

[Nilgiri]

A little submarine song for everyone who wants a bit of a breather in this long discussion before proceeding to part 2:

@jbgt90

 

[[Bregs]]

This episode has given us the just reason for cancelling P-75I and instead focus on own SSKs. HSL and MDL along with L&T can develop decent SSKs.

Best is make the next lots of subs under MII with Russia collaboration of lada class if they agree or then amur class. India is already behind subs induction and now this unfortunate leak will further delay

 

[BON PLAN]

You think? I am interested in what gave that away?

Your hands on experience in an IN Kilo? How was it?

You probably have too much seen the film "the yellow submarine"....

LOL. (it's a joke ! and please take it like that).

 

[Hellfire]

You probably have seen too much the film "the yellow submarine"....

Not seen, how is it? Worth?

Operation Petticoat & Down Periscope the only ones. The latter, yes, a way too many times, a true inspirational movie, a good leadership role displayed by Lt Cdr Thomas Dodge, wouldn't you agree?

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@PARIKRAMA @Nilgiri @Abingdonboy

I don't know if it was already said here,but DCNS filed a lawsuit yesterday against "X" for breach of confidence,possession of stolen documents (recel in french),and complicity.
The case is now brought in court and they will decide to open a preliminary investigation,to give the case to investigating judges or close the case.

Now let's wait & see.

Sorry for the translation.

yes sir i did after going thru french news

https://defence.pk/threads/sensitive-data-of-indian-navy’s-scorpene-class-submarines-leaked.445677/page-28#post-8615870

and in here
Australia Warns DCNS After Security Leak

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By Reuters 2016-08-26 03:04:15

Australian defense officials warned French naval contractor DCNS to beef up security in Australia, where it is preparing to build a A$50 billion ($38.13 billion) fleet of submarines, in the wake of a massive data leak, a government spokesman said on Friday.

DCNS was left reeling after more than 22,000 pages outlining details relating to submarines it is building for India were published in The Australian newspaper earlier this week, sparking concerns about its ability to protect sensitive data.

A senior Australian defense official, acting on orders from Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne, warned DCNS that the government was deeply concerned by the implications of the leak, a spokesman for the minister said.

DCNS has filed a complaint for breach of trust, a spokesman for the shipbuilder said on Friday.

"We filed a complaint against unknown persons for breach of trust with the Paris prosecutor on Thursday afternoon," the DCNS spokesman said.

A French government source said on Thursday that DCNS had apparently been robbed and it was not a leak, adding it was unlikely that classified data was stolen.

DCNS is locked in exclusive negotiations with Australia to build a fleet of 12 next-generation submarines after seeing off its rivals, Germany's Thyssenkrup AG and a Japanese government-backed consortium of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Heavy Industries.

DCNS said earlier this week that the leak, which covered details of the Scorpene-class model and not the vessel currently being designed for the Australian fleet, bore the hallmarks of "economic warfare" carried out by frustrated competitors.

TKMS Australia, the German shipbuilder's local subsidiary, declined to respond to the accusation. Mitsubishi Heavy Industry also said that it had no comment.

A senior industry source who was involved in the Australian submarine bidding called the allegation an "extraordinary" attempt to deflect attention from DCNS' security shortcomings.

"Clearly there's been a massive leak. And for the French to seek to blame either the Japanese or the Germans under some banner of 'economic warfare' is hysterical," he said.

The French victory in one of the world's most valuable defense contracts was a major blow to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's push to develop defense export capabilities as part of a more muscular security agenda.

Australian Defence Minister Marise Payne visited Tokyo this week to meet with her Japanese counterpart, Tomomi Inada, in the first such visit since the contract was awarded.

DCNS and TKMS are currently locked in another competition for a lucrative contract to replace Norway's fleet of aging Ula-class submarines. The European shipbuilders, the world's biggest suppliers of conventional submarines, regularly lock horns.
http://maritime-executive.com/article/australia-warns-dcns-after-security-leak

 

[Indrajit]

Restricted is first level of authorization and it does not involve the The Australian newspaper.

Even if they claim its for public service, The French authorities as well as Australian authorities will find some legal point to take them to task. Its a common practice.

Not a chance. The newspaper can't be touched. They are not subject to French laws & there were not dealing with any classified material of Australia. No case can be made out.

 

[Nilgiri]

Not a chance. The newspaper can't be touched. They are not subject to French laws & there were not dealing with any classified material of Australia. No case can be made out.

Pretty sure they can extradite them to face tort proceedings in France.

 

[Indrajit]

Pretty sure they can extradite them to face tort proceedings in France.

You would be pretty wrong. Tort proceedings & extradition? They wouldn't even be liable, it is not they who have stolen the documents. They published it when had been passed back & forth since 2011. Public good is almost certainly a factor. If what you said could be possible, then you would not have any news organisation publishing either Wikileaks papers or Snowden's revelations. Even the US knows better, do you think a paper like The Australian is that reckless? French laws will not apply, no Australian laws were broken, no extradition, no nothing.

 

[Nilgiri]

You would be pretty wrong. Tort proceedings & extradition? They wouldn't even be liable, it is not they who have stolen the documents. They published it when had been passed back & forth since 2011. Public good is almost certainly a factor. If what you said could be possible, then you would not have any news organisation publishing either Wikileaks papers or Snowden's revelations. Even the US knows better, do you think a paper like The Australian is that reckless? French laws will not apply, no Australian laws were broken, no extradition, no nothing.

Revealing copyrighted and restricted IP information constitutes a tort, which can be prosecuted.

Anything that can be prosecuted can merit an extradition.

This has nothing to do with the original theft.

 

[jha]

Best is make the next lots of subs under MII with Russia collaboration of lada class if they agree or then amur class. India is already behind subs induction and now this unfortunate leak will further delay

Yes. Collaboration for sub-systems can be done and best available ones can be chosen from vendors from East or, West. But overall design should be ours.