Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

[Hellfire]

@Gregor Clegane suggest do as @PARIKRAMA has suggested. A thread is already running. Delete and collate there.

Thanks

@PARIKRAMA your #248, seems French have taken it to their heart. It is great to see a quick response and seriousness in the issue on French side.

The French were the only other country than Russia which stood by us in every war and post Nuclear Testing scenario. Unfortunately, Indian members are not aware of the level of confidence we have in our partnership with them, irrespective of the economic aspects of it.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Nice...
Well..

https://defence.pk/threads/sensitive-data-of-indian-navy’s-scorpene-class-submarines-leaked.445677/page-15#post-8608841

https://defence.pk/threads/sensitive-data-of-indian-navy’s-scorpene-class-submarines-leaked.445677/page-15#post-8608929

Hail Hillary

 

[SrNair]

If read correctly the leak is done on French part during these details were written in 2011 by sub contractor as per news paper

I don't think it blue prints its over exaggerated
Or Internal sabotage for Australian deal which is whopping 50 billion $ by rival Firms and lobbies

This was exactly the target .
French should have been more careful when they won that whopping 39billion$ Australian deal
DCNS rivals is happened to be one of the top notch weapons developers from most powerful nations .MMRCA is in negotiations and Scorpene deal is in final stage ,DCNS also won a lots of deal including this Australian program .Rivals know when they completes all this project, DCNS and parent nation France would become too strong .
@Vergennes

Oh dear ,key board warriors in PDF knows better than the end user Indian Navy .

 

[Levina]

This is a clear case of poor attempt to drag a company to score brownie points (Anti Turnbull group) and use DCNS and India names to glorify the case and grab eyeballs.. Thats my assessment after going through the prelim data ..

I read that this could be devastating for India, malaysia and chile which plan to use these subs. Those pages would allow one to understand everything about the submarines like its speeds,noise produced, the speeds the mast can be raised at etc.

On twitter a lot of people have been pointing at a common factor between #AgustaScam and #ScorpeneLeak - PRANAB MUKHERJEE.

what do you guyz think?

@Abingdonboy

 

[PARIKRAMA]

your #248, seems French have taken it to their heart. It is great to see a quick response and seriousness in the issue on French side.

The French were the only other country than Russia which stood by us in every war and post Nuclear Testing scenario. Unfortunately, Indian members are not aware of the level of confidence we have in our partnership with them, irrespective of the economic aspects of it.

Rafales, Scorpenes, Shortfin, Mistrals, Tankers, Airbus A330s, Naval Tankers, Kaveri Engine, JV colloborations, Space Colloborations, Solar projects, Smart cities... The Jaitapur Nuclear power project.. The list is much longer

Leave everything else.. look at the amount of A320 Neo ordered by IndiGo and GoAir..

Its something that every country wants to get a pie of.. Thats India France relationship.. 62% of DCNS is with french government.. There is no way French government will let such a leak spoil India France relationship.. There will be swift response from both countries to restore confidence to each side..

You will see soon DM MP and IN chief come out in full force to show their faith and confidence and French state giving full support

 

[nair]

Nice...
Well..
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Hail Hillary

Let us not forget the leaked document has close to 22000 pages..... Which cannot be a marketing presentation alone.....

 

[SrNair]

Source based News - Part 1
Some information has come out from the emergency meeting held on this topic

Indian Navy Chief in the high profile emergency meeting have stated

1. Prelim analysis suggests No operational capability is compromised
2. The leak documents looks like operational manual of 2011
3. Present trials have upgraded the manuals and many parts changed/modified with local indian parts.
4. Many systems and subsystems have been upgraded beyond the first version of the operational manual
5. No key frequencies are leaked. They are 2 levels above the "restricted" classification.
6. Chief wants a Indian official to visit DCNS office in France to probe and find the source of the leak in their side.
7. He asserted that we should have more scorpenes as they are vital for our Under Water capability.

DM MP has updated PM NaMo and have advised caution bcz of the nature of India France cooperation in Aircrafts, Submarines, Missiles, Nuclear energy, Clean energy/solar power, civilian investments and smart city projects. He has requested a senior person to have a discussion with French government on this.

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@Vergennes @MilSpec @Abingdonboy @Spectre @anant_s @Nilgiri @hellfire @all others

Then the nations that purchased the first versions with fully French parts should be very careful .
Their subs are totally compromised .
I think IN now will source more Indian equipments for further modifications.

But indirectly this gives us another advantage .We will get a clear upperhand in our dealings with French

 

[NKVD]

Just Watch NDTV Debate Except Congress Manish tewari and his Chap Nidhi razdan
All Experts Including are Acting Mature

https://twitter.com/x/status/768482021026979840

https://twitter.com/x/status/768480214619938816

https://twitter.com/x/status/768480508846145536

@PARIKRAMA Most Interesting Part Which I was Mentioning Said by RetD Admiral K Raja Menon, Ex-Vice Chief of Navy Staff (Operations)

• Each Submarine has each type of noise has a unique pattern, which can differ with speed, depth, and water conditions
• Second Point he Raised about Frequencies which is Frequencies can be altered and changed nevertheless frequencies Of Wartime are Different

Most his Points Were what we had Expected and Already discussed

 

[Hellfire]

Rafales, Scorpenes, Shortfin, Mistrals, Tankers, Airbus A330s, Naval Tankers, Kaveri Engine, JV colloborations, Space Colloborations, Solar projects, Smart cities... The Jaitapur Nuclear power project.. The list is much longer

Leave everything else.. look at the amount of A320 Neo ordered by IndiGo and GoAir..

Its something that every country wants to get a pie of.. Thats India France relationship.. 62% of DCNS is with french government.. There is no way French government will let such a leak spoil India France relationship.. There will be swift response from both countries to restore confidence to each side..

You will see soon DM MP and IN chief come out in full force to show their faith and confidence and French state giving full support

Thanks for "Indo-French Relationship 101 for Dummies Made Easy"

A great summation by @PARIKRAMA for all those who want the shortened version of the faith and trust in between the two nations. The relationship is very old. One can dredge up the instances of the relationship right till an independent India.

Then the nations that purchased the first versions with fully French parts should be very careful .
Their subs are totally compromised .
I think IN now will source more Indian equipments for further modifications.

But indirectly this gives us another advantage .We will get a clear upperhand in our dealings with French

Damn, are you in marketing/business?

 

[R!CK]

Just a personal thought. If china could hack into US database and steal information on F-22 and F-35, who here thinks other countries including India or France is immune to cyber espionage? I'm in no way justifying DCNS, this is a serious security lapse but you just cant stop a very dedicated data theft. We have this discussion only because this topic came up in an Australian daily which has rival interests in their submarine acquisition decision. If the data was stolen in 2011 and for 5 long years no-one knew about it, doesn't it make it obvious that such stolen data can stay under the radar for years or sometimes forever?

People getting frantic about this news, please be patient until we realize the actual value of data lost and how relevant it is to present day. And before we question a whole country's (France) integrity, why don't we realize this happens all over the world and not many things are out in open for common people to know? What about MMRCA files being found on the street in India? Should all F-35 customers cancel their orders because supposedly China stole most of its data?

http://thediplomat.com/2015/01/new-snowden-documents-reveal-chinese-behind-f-35-hack/

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/U1...-found-by-the-roadside-Govt-orders-probe.html

Manuals usually runs into several thousand pages and not all sections contains data of significant relevance. If the data lost is incase very sensitive, we may request for compensation and put a hold on further Scorpene follow-on orders. But people should stop linking this to Rafale or Barracuda. Personally I'd say data is never safe, cause computers can be hacked and people can be bribed? If patriotic Indians want to say none of our officials accept bribes, Fine! But reality disagrees. Single advice, Patience is bitter but its fruit is sweet. Please be patient until we get more information before we start bashing the French. DCNS is just one of many corporates in France.

Good Day all!

 

[SrNair]

Thanks for "Indo-French Relationship 101 for Dummies Made Easy"

A great summation by @PARIKRAMA for all those who want the shortened version of the faith and trust in between the two nations. The relationship is very old. One can dredge up the instances of the relationship right till an independent India.



Damn, are you in marketing/business?

Nope .In Engineering field
Now French need to spend more energy to convince us .

 

[Hellfire]

Nope .In Engineering field
Now French need to spend more energy to convince us .

Off Topic

Start your own business, you will wrangle a mean deal ....

 

[Srinivas]

The leaks are unfortunate and a blow to DCNS and end users.

But I think some changes can be made to the end product to make it stealthier and lethal.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@PARIKRAMA Most Interesting Part Which I was Mentioning Said by RetD Admiral K Raja Menon, Ex-Vice Chief of Navy Staff (Operations)

• Each Submarine has each type of noise has a unique pattern, which can differ with speed, depth, and water conditions
• Second Point he Raised about Frequencies which is Frequencies can be altered and changed nevertheless frequencies Of Wartime are Different

Most his Points Were what we had Expected and Already discussed

He is basically validating the points i said here..

The first point is the acoustic signature which is recorded after extensive sea trials under different set conditions (speed, depth, sea state etc) and finally added to our IFF library post spectrum analysis.

and second point is the communication frequencies in LF/ELF zone which changes as per operations....

i said the same here

Its good Menon Sir is validating what source said.. at least now we know we are on the right path..

Let us not forget the leaked document has close to 22000 pages..... Which cannot be a marketing presentation alone.....

No sir its not marketing presentations.. its this

and pages like this

Some rapid pointers
M- manual
TM- technical manual
OIM - Operational Information Manual
PM - Programme Manual
02- Version written by primary OEM
Onboard Documentation,

Thats why i said its "restricted" to authorized personnel but mostly its Manual only

 

[SrNair]

Off Topic

Start your own business, you will wrangle a mean deal ....