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According to The Australian, pretty much the entire combat capabilities have been compromised. Here is just a sampler:I smell happiness at TKMS headquarters lol
But the said leak, @PARIKRAMA how does it affect the operations? Meaning is there any chance which will make the Kalavari more vulnerable?
For a moment if say China does obtain details about its diesel engines , or some special design features , will it affect Scorpenes here ?
Personally thinking No. Scorpenes fulfill the coastal defence role perfectly and we will eventually have a dozen of them for coastal operations.
Australians will be having a bigger problem.Paying 50+ Billion USD , yet no guarantee that their best submarines details will be safe.
Coming back , the Kalavari as of today and some time down the line will be quite different from the Scorpene w.r.t. communication equipment, surveillance equipment , weapons and AIP.
But I really see Germans and Russians taking a respite.
On our side a comprehensive audit about capabilities after the leak should be carried out by Navy , and a investigation by MoD.
@Nilgiri
The highest authorities are investigating the case,but it seems like the datas were taken out of France in 2011 by a former Navy officer,that was back then a contractor for DCNS. The documents could have landed in some south east asia companies' hands before landing in Australia... So,everyone is implying that it's the indians that leaked all of this. @Blue Marlin
Investigations will tell everything.
Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked
Abhilash Mallick
Yesterday, 11:18 pm
A leak, which runs to 22,400 pages and seen by The Australian, details the entire secret combat capability of the six Scorpene-class submarines being built for the Indian Navy by French shipbuilder Direction des Constructions et Armes Navales (DCNS).
The documents were marked “Restricted Scorpene India”. The DCNS documents detailed the most sensitive combat capabilities of India’s new $3 billion submarine fleet and would provide an intelligence bonanza if obtained by India’s strategic rivals, such as Pakistan or China.The Australian has chosen to redact some of the sensitive information from the documents in the report published by it.
Any stealth advantage for the navy’s new submarines would be gravely
compromised if data on its planned combat and performance capabilities was leaked.
The leaked DCNS data details the secret stealth capabilities of the six new Indian submarines, including what frequencies they gather intelligence at, what levels of noise they make at various speeds and their diving depths, range and endurance — all sensitive information that is highly classified.The documents also include instructions to the submarine crew on where on the boat they can speak safely to avoid detection by the enemy. It also discloses magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data as well as the specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system.
It details the speed and conditions needed for using the periscope, the noise specifications of the propeller and the radiated noise levels that occur when the submarine surfaces.
The data seen by The Australian includes 4,457 pages on the submarine’s underwater sensors, 4,209 pages on its above-water sensors, 4,301 pages on its combat management system, 493 pages on its torpedo launch system and specifications, 6,841 pages on the sub’s communications system and 2,138 on its navigation systems.
The Indian Navy has boasted that its Scorpene submarines have superior stealth features, which give them a major advantage against other submarines.DCNS yesterday sought to reassure Australians that the leak of the data on the Indian Scorpene submarine would not happen with its proposed submarine for Australia. The company also implied — but did not say directly — that the leak might have occurred at India’s end, rather than from France.
The first Scorpene was supposed to be delivered in September 2016. (Photo: Reuters)“In the case of Australia, and unlike India, DCNS is both the provider and in-country controller of technical data for the full chain of transmission and usage over the life of the submarines.”
However, The Australian has been told that the data on the Scorpene was written in France for India in 2011 and is suspected of being removed from France in that same year by a former French Navy officer who was at that time a DCNS subcontractor.
The data is then believed to have been taken to a company in Southeast Asia, possibly to assist in a commercial venture for a regional navy.
The data seen by The Australian also includes separate confidential DCNS files on plans to sell French frigates to Chile and the French sale of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ship carrier to Russia. These DCNS projects have no link to India, which adds weight to the probability that the data files were removed from DCNS in France.
https://www.thequint.com/india/2016...rines-for-indian-navy-leaked-france-australia
talk to the French about damages and perhaps use the opportunity to further drive bargains even if there was nothing substantial leaked!
Source based News - Part 1
Some information has come out from the emergency meeting held on this topic
Indian Navy Chief in the high profile emergency meeting have stated
DM MP has updated PM NaMo and have advised caution bcz of the nature of India France cooperation in Aircrafts, Submarines, Missiles, Nuclear energy, Clean energy/solar power, civilian investments and smart city projects. He has requested a senior person to have a discussion with French government on this.
- Prelim analysis suggests No operational capability is compromised
- The leak documents looks like operational manual of 2011
- Present trials have upgraded the manuals and many parts changed/modified with local indian parts.
- Many systems and subsystems have been upgraded beyond the first version of the operational manual
- No key frequencies are leaked. They are 2 levels above the "restricted" classification.
- Chief wants a Indian official to visit DCNS office in France to probe and find the source of the leak in their side.
- He asserted that we should have more scorpenes as they are vital for our Under Water capability.
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@Vergennes @MilSpec @Abingdonboy @Spectre @anant_s @Nilgiri @hellfire @all others
Some More information from a very senior Indian Navy official who is briefing IN Chief on continuous basis based on hourly analysis of the data leaked..
- Classification of information leaked is non catastrophic.
- Most important things which are not compromised includes Radiated Noise Pattern or Acoustic Signature
- The acoustic signature is recorded and added to own library only after
- extensive sea trials
- after performing successfully radiated noise spectrum analysis under different standard conditions
- Minor changes which occurs in every operation to operation includes Sonar Frequency and ELF LF Communication frequency both are not compromised.
- He has confirmed no tactical advantage is lost on any encounter on sea condition to IN chief and the same is briefed to DM MP