#SendAfghanRefugeesBack and #GoAfghaniGo have become a trending hashtag

[karakoram]

Lol, someone deleted my post. Why? Whoever did this should know that you can't delete opinions in real life. You have to deal with it.



Rora, I understand you but not all afghan immigrants are the same. Why shouldn't those who are friendly and do no harm to Pakistan not stay in Pakistan and even granted citizenship?

Khan jee ek nah ke din tu jana hai hai tu why not know. Our economy cant afford 5 million+ afghans anymore in hayatabad where i live has more afghans then Pakistanis and they are more wealthier then us. So these people should go back and build a new afghanistan. Nor kho tu hum pohay a malaka

 

[haman10]

Afghanis are treated like pigs in Iran. Please don't compare your treatment of Afghanis with ours, its very insulting.

yeah thats exactly why 2 million of them are here . they are here cause they choose to be treated like pigs and do not live in afghanistan with its great opportunities or pakistan where they are treated like the brothers of their own .

yeah kid , youre right .

 

[Winchester]

yeah thats exactly why 2 million of them are here . they are here cause they choose to be treated like pigs and do not live in afghanistan with its great opportunities or pakistan where they are treated like the brothers of their own .

yeah kid , youre right .

You look like a man on a crusade
anyways
2 million ???
Afghan refugees in Iran and Pakistan constitute the largest and most protracted refugee population under UNHCR’s mandate. Pakistan hosts 1,615,876 refugees, and Iran 840,158 at 1 January 2014.
source:
Afghan refugees in Iran & Pakistan | European Resettlement Network

and lets not dabble into who treats them better there are plenty of other sources

 

[haman10]

2 million ???

yeah let me rephrase that . 3 million .

the number of legal afghani-iranian citizens are about 900.000 . but the number of afghan refugees are about 3 million

Iran's Ministry of Interior estimates that the total number of Afghans in Iran is around 3 million.

Afghans in Iran

good talk .

 

[Winchester]

yeah let me rephrase that . 3 million .

the number of legal afghani-iranian citizens are about 900.000 . but the number of afghan refugees are about 3 million

Iran's Ministry of Interior estimates that the total number of Afghans in Iran is around 3 million.

Afghans in Iran

good talk . BTW , someones deleting my posts . maybe i said sth wrong

i donno , i'm off again

yeah wikipedia
anyways lets leave it

 

[Samandri]

Afghanis are treated like pigs in Iran. Please don't compare your treatment of Afghanis with ours, its very insulting.

Spot on, even Afghans dont deny that. Iran is worst even for shia Afghans like Hazaras. In Pakistan, Afghans are comfortable due to large native pashtun population, thats why they live in KPK, pashtun districts of Balochistan and pashtun-dominated areas of Karachi. The most hostile city in Pakistan to Afghan mohajirs would be karachi, the Hindostani mohajirs there are hostile to both Pakistani pashtuns and Afghans.....due to this hindostani mohajirs factor, Afghans and pakistani pashtuns have bonded well in karachi than every where else.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Are there estimates on how many Bengalis there are in Pakistan ?

Pakistanis welcomed Afghans -- not realizing that they are inviting back-stabbers

There are 2-2.5 million illegal bangladeshis,1.5 million registered afghans and siniliar number of unregistered illegals... Apart from that we have 500,000 to 1 million illegals "others" from as far as Burma and Africa.

How will u differentiate between afghans and local pashtuns?

That's a really dumb question isn't it? The afghanis illegals are illegals from another country/not native to Pak.. Even have different accents n Pashto, and most don't have NICs or domiciles (many do)... And live in illegal settlements or kachi abadi... They mostly try to hide their nationality by simply claiming to be "pathans" when cops or LEA personnel stop them.

 

[Butchcassidy]

There are 2-2.5 million illegal bangladeshis,1.5 million registered afghans and siniliar number of unregistered illegals... Apart from that we have 500,000 to 1 million illegals "others" from as far as Burma and Africa.


That's a really dumb question isn't it? The afghanis illegals are illegals from another country/not native to Pak.. Even have different accents n Pashto, and most don't have NICs or domiciles (many do)... And live in illegal settlements or kachi abadi... They mostly try to hide their nationality by simply claiming to be "pathans" when cops or LEA personnel stop them.

Its easier said than done..India tried to deport illegal BDeshi's but the logistical prroblems are immense. The most difficult was proving that they are from BDesh rather than West Bengal

 

[DRaisinHerald]

How will u differentiate between afghans and local pashtuns?

Simple. Present them both with a flag of Pakistan. If they turn mad like a rabid dog, then we know we have a refugee to kick back home.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its easier said than done..India tried to deport illegal BDeshi's but the logistical prroblems are immense. The most difficult was proving that they are from BDesh rather than West Bengal

Don't know about india and Bangladeshis but we can tell the difference between an afghan and a local...

It isn't difficult but the lack of will to deport them..

Simple. Present them both with a flag of Pakistan. If they turn mad like a rabid dog, then we know we have a refugee to kick back home.

Trust me they feel very "Pakistani" when you talk about deporting them.

But even if we do deport them I doubt afghanistan could handle the influx of millions of people ...

Anyways I think the illegal ones and those who don't have any Pak NICs etc should be deported.... Along with the millions of iegal bangladeshi migrant (leeches).

 

[Kabira]

yeah thats exactly why 2 million of them are here . they are here cause they choose to be treated like pigs and do not live in afghanistan with its great opportunities or pakistan where they are treated like the brothers of their own .

yeah kid , youre right .

Compared to Iran one can say Afghans in Pakistan are treated like brothers. 2 million refugees in Iran but they are confined in 1 place, not even allowed to visit parks etc In Pakistan Afghanis are everywhere and most of them are not even refugees anymore but more like economic migrants.

Still considiring Afghanistan does not even have basic hospital, one can say that even Iran Zoo is better for Afghanis then Afghanistan. But don't compare your treatment of Afghanis with Pakistan.

Pakistanis take concept of muslim brotherhood very seriously.

 

[Samandri]

Afghan refugees do not have that much attachment to Pakistan, their watan is Afghanistan and they are kind of people who dont easily forget about their homeland, they will always love their own watan i.e Afghanistan or their native village or town in that country. Even after three decades, they are not integrated into local pashtun population, they keep to themselves and are indifferent to local and national affairs. They are here in Pakistan strictly for livelihood, economic opportunities. Some of them are honest to core, while some of them have lack of respect for local society and country's laws because of lack of attachment to Pakistan. I have interacted with lot of Afghan mohajirs, who are shop-keepers, patients etc, and generally they didnt open up to me beyond a certain level though exceptions were there.You would get the fishy vibes from them but in my opinion a "refugee life" makes you like that.
Rural Pashtun society do not hold "asylum seekers" and "refugees'' in high esteem. Afghans were welcomed but were not granted equal social status as locals as per pashtunwali though they were allowed to do their businesses in the area. Due to them being in foreign country, Afghan mohajirs also kept to themselves and led very private lives. Locals never bothered them , they were never harassed. But when i came to peshawer , i realized that Afghans are harassed by police and disrespected by local peshaweris while afghans themselves are involved in many criminal activities. Its difficult for me to judge who is more dis-likeable, peshaweris or afghans. The Afghans that sought refuge in my district , were from khost and paktiya, o.k people. But the Afghans in peshawer are usually from Nangarhar, as bitter and rude as pashtuns of Peshawar valley. At one point you realize its stupid to generalize about afghans, as you go from north to south they have variations in temperament and values , very similar to pakistan's pashtun belt.
Lets be clear on one thing, Afghans refugees are not responsible for TTP's actions. I am clueless why exactly Afghan refugees are blamed for Peshawer incident. Some pakistanis are even suggesting invasion of Afghanistan and nuking it. I can not support this wave of mindless mob-mentality, at some point we pakistani pashtuns might also get targeted like this in media, for TTP's actions, hindostani mohajirs are already active against us in social media and other plateforms.

 

[pakistani342]

There are 2-2.5 million illegal bangladeshis

As I said to an earlier poster -- do you have references to back this number up -- I did a cursory look up on Wikipedia and the number it cites as estimates are 200,000 -- 500,000

The estimate of 200,000 -- 500,000 is more plausible since Bangladesh is not at war or other internal strife, does not share a common boundary with Pakistan and thus physical movement would be harder for Bangladeshis as when compared to Afghans -- so it would be difficult to imagine that the number of Bangladeshi immigrants would be comparable to the Afghan refugees.

On another note: Pakistanis do not have overt or covert hostilities with the Bangladeshi nation -- Pakistan does not suffer from an influx of drugs and guns due to the Bangladeshi immigrants.

 

[KingMamba]

Lol, someone deleted my post. Why? Whoever did this should know that you can't delete opinions in real life. You have to deal with it.



Rora, I understand you but not all afghan immigrants are the same. Why shouldn't those who are friendly and do no harm to Pakistan not stay in Pakistan and even granted citizenship?

You are right that some are pro Pakistan, recently I met an Afghan at a wedding here in the states who told me his family were refugees in Pakistan during the Soviet war. He spoke highly of Pakistan and considered it and not Afghanistan as his "home" country. To top it all of he spoke fluent urdu and he was actually a Tajik who are usually considered the most anti Pakistani Afghan group.

Now as good as that all sounds the problem is you cannot figure out who among them actually love Pakistan and those who hate it. If the consequence for not liking Pakistan is deportation then all Afghan refugees will claim to love Pakistan even though most would be lying through their teeth. So the only solution is to indiscriminately remove all of them or work towards a full out union with Afghanistan and let everyone become legal.

 

[mughal arslan shah mirza]

. Some pakistanis are even suggesting invasion of Afghanistan .

That video going around doesn't represent any sane Pakistani. The guy who made that comment is a singer , Khalid Anum lol. And he was reprimanded and stopped by other speakers right away. It speaks more about our 'free' private media more than anything else. Why do we have a singer making these stupid political statements on T.V ? It's mind-boggling.
Also you gotta check the percentages of people with certain views. What percentage agrees with what?
In this case , they are making it seem like the whole Pak population has somehow taken to twitter and started talking a certain way about Afghans. In reality they might not be .00001 %
Ever since Ghani came to power some people have upped the propaganda against the new relationship.
They are making it seem like every Pakistani hates every Afghan or every Afghan hates every Pakistani.
Propaganda can have far-reaching consequences and there's always a reason behind it.

Pak was already hosting refugees before USA came with package.

Gotta say that ever since Ghani came to power , some people have been projecting certain things that will only lead to complete destruction of our new found thaw in the relationship. Afghans have been here for three and a half decades but these campaigns have suddenly erupted NOW? Hmm. Something is really fishy.Yes, I understand that it's after the Peshawar incident but still.
There are Afghans in many big cities and many of them go to schools like Beaconhouse etc. and are living comfortable lives.
Even this idea that all of them live in katchiabadi is propaganda and complete non-sense. Rich Afghans lived like rich people, middle-class Afghans lived like middle-class Pakistanis etc.
I just believe that we need to be very careful with this whole thing. Build some medicinal facilities in Eastern Afghanistan so Afghan people could have some thing to remember and hold on to and their repatriation is easier.
Hastily made decisions would only increase the rift between Pak-Afghanistan when situation seemed to be improving. I think that we need to be vigilant about this whole thing. Any process has to be slow and organized and not increase hostilities where they did not exist before.
This is one reason I truly believe that Peshawar incident helps the enemies of both Pakistan and Afghanistan's Ghani camp (they were behind it in other terms).
We need to be careful.