Send troops to Kashmir to 'teach India a lesson', Hafiz Saeed urges Pakistan

[DesiGuy1403]

Besides, what's this obsession with some Indians wanting to break Pakistan into a million pieces? Does India really want anarchy on its western border, dealing with refugees and security issues? And what about the nukes? And do you think Iran wants an independent Balochistan? No way. If you want India-Iran friendship to evaporate, don't push this Balochistan issue too far.

Well sir, we can only the game the other side want's to play.
This is the first time India has even brought up Baloch....that should tell you who is obsessed and who is doing tit for tat.

Don't believe in your assessment of Baloch either. Remember, it's the same thing 2 flanks with enemy in between, same story, different players and different geography.
Do you think Pakistan will be able to do their operations in Baloch and keep up the extra pressure India will insert in other places and on their eastern border?

 

[livingdead]

voted ayes

 

[Indika]

Balochistan as a repeat of Bangladesh? Sorry, it's not going to happen. East Pakistan happened because geography made its independence possible. Balochistan is a whole different animal. Pakistan can launch operations much more easily in Balochistan than East Pakistan.

Besides, what's this obsession with some Indians wanting to break Pakistan into a million pieces? Does India really want anarchy on its western border, dealing with refugees and security issues? And what about the nukes? And do you think Iran wants an independent Balochistan? No way. If you want India-Iran friendship to evaporate, don't push this Balochistan issue too far.



No they won't. Last thing the Chinese want is get entangled in Pakistan's internal problems. All they care about is their investments and CPEC are safe and sound. They are heavily leaning on Pakistan to do this job, especially the millitary. They will provide funds and logistics, but don't expect Chinese units roaming around Balochistan.

True, India has no interest in breaking up pakistan and having chaos reign on western border. Balochistan issue was raised more to counter pakistan meddling in kashmir. If India wanted to do so they would have provided arms support to balochistan long time back.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It wasn't idiotic, it was a very wise decision. Had India crossed the LOC things would have escalated even further, and who knows what would have happened, nuclear warheads could have been exchanged. As for the IAF trying to mess with the PAF, our pilots are much better trained. Never forget great men like MM Alam, Sattar Alvi or Saiful Azam.

The US was leaning heavily on Pakistan just then. I strongly doubt anything would have happened.

And while your pilots may have been great ones (incidentally, you should find out, if you can, what Nosey Haidar really thought of one of his contemporaries that you have listed), you need to read Kaisar Tufail's account. The PAF had run out of spares by the time the fighting on the ground escalated. It was not for nothing that they abstained, they could not run a long campaign for any duration. Look up also the tempo and rate of sorties flown by both sides in each engagement, and you will get the grim picture that a PAF commander views every time there is such a difficult occasion. Check the numbers for yourself.

In 1965, India couldn't break past Pakistani defences into Lahore, the main assaults were fended off by Pakistani soldiers, and the invasion was out to a grinding halt:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chawinda

India gave back the territory probably thinking they would lose it, I doubt it happened out of the kindness of the Indian governments heart. Same goes for Pakistan and any territory it took.

If you knew the topography, you would not say that. There was no possibility of Pakistan recapturing the pass. It was one of the points that the Indian Army bitterly resented, but the man who made the decision had died, the papers had been signed. There was nothing to be done. Pakistan might as well have kept the territory it took. You need to look it up. The PA might even have got it gratis.

 

[nair]

He is just a charity worker.......Who works for poor people in Pakistan, especially those drop outs and guys with out jobs.... He provide them jobs and also makes their family happy........It is ok once in a while he takes a political stand....

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Send troops to Kashmir to 'teach India a lesson', Hafiz Saeed urges Pakistan
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Islamabad: Outlawed Jamaat-ud-Dawah chief Hafiz Saeed has urged Pakistan to send troops to Jammu and Kashmir to "teach" India "a lesson".

In a video, Saeed made an impassioned appeal to Pakistan Army chief Gen Raheel Sharif at a rally of supporters in Lahore on August 14 - the country`s Independence Day, IANS reported.

"After partition India sent its army forcibly to Jammu and Kashmir to which Quaid-i-Azam (Muhammad Ali Jinnah) told then (Pakistan) Army Chief to respond by sending forces too but he didn`t do so.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...esson-hafiz-saeed-urges-pakistan_1919579.html

Like they did in 1999 and got their balls busted.. by a full frontal attack by Indian defense forces...

 

[Gregor Clegane]

The united nation's confirmed the casualties no need to bs

Nope.UN never reported on casualties.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

India will just expand the conflict to the rest of our border, and it will be 1965 all over again only this time nuclear war will be a possibility.

its a good option. just remember to raise a slogan ghazwa e hind with it and it will itself become a hindu muslim war rather than indo pak war. see syria where a group like isis got so much support. imagine effects of our slogan on the world.

 

[surya kiran]

I thought, he was going to cross over on a horse or a donkey? What happened?

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Like they did in 1999 and got their balls busted.. by a full frontal attack by Indian defense forces...

atleast we got some balls unlike you pussies who bring their forces to border for nothing. remember 2002, mumbai attack 2009, pathankot. most of kargil is still under pakistan army control. we fought without air support and still made you cry.

 

[Samlee]

Raheel is in a bind now.
Either he accepts Hafiz Saeeds initiative or he refuses and ends up looking weak.

 

[T-Rex]

most of kargil is still under pakistan army control. we fought without air support and still made you cry.

I didn't know this fact. Today the US isn't in a position to force Pakistan to submit to indian design, so Paksitan should simply snatch back rest of Kargil.

 

[Jackdaws]

atleast we got some balls unlike you pussies who bring their forces to border for nothing. remember 2002, mumbai attack 2009, pathankot. most of kargil is still under pakistan army control. we fought without air support and still made you cry.

Yes, we saw the extent of Pak "bravery" in Parliament and Bombay attack. Kargil in under Pak army control? In which alternate universe? Did the maulvi at the local madrassah teach you this?

 

[Star Wars]

He is just a charity worker.......Who works for poor people in Pakistan, especially those drop outs and guys with out jobs.... He provide them jobs and also makes their family happy........It is ok once in a while he takes a political stand....

This charity worker will be a bane for Pakistan in the long run, their antiques in the 90s caused Pakistan 15 years of blood shed in post 2000 period. They are yet to learn....

Yes, we saw the extent of Pak "bravery" in Parliament and Bombay attack. Kargil in under Pak army control? In which alternate universe? Did the maulvi at the local madrassah teach you this?

Their Army men and even some of their SSG commandos were left out to rot in Kargil by the Pakistani establishment.
Respected and Burred with full military honors by IA.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Yes, we saw the extent of Pak "bravery" in Parliament and Bombay attack. Kargil in under Pak army control? In which alternate universe? Did the maulvi at the local madrassah teach you this?

my thoughts come from the same source modi's thoughts comes from. balochistan, kashmir, gilgit wants independence.
that source is indian media

This charity worker will be a bane for Pakistan in the long run, their antiques in the 90s caused Pakistan 15 years of blood shed in post 2000 period. They are yet to learn....



Their Army men and even some of their SSG commandos were left out to rot in Kargil by the Pakistani establishment.
Respected and Burred with full military honors by IA.

none of them was pakistani soldier. they were volunteers from todays terrorist(as per india) organizations.