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This thread is to explore ways to ensure a secure future for Arab Monarchies.

First I will present 3 relevant articles:

The Arab Spring revisited: How the Arab Monarchies can survive | Conflict Resolutions and World Security Solutions | worldsecuritynetwork.com
Daniel Wagner: Why Have the Arab Monarchies Survived?
The Survival of the Arab Monarchies - By Sean L. Yom | The Middle East Channel

To reduce their dependence on outside powers like US/NATO and any of their allies, Arab Monarchies have the option to invest in and create more powerful Sunni Muslim states with a team of inter-operable Armed forces.

The idea to make the Monarchies more secure may seem unfair to the people within these monarchies (opinion of outsiders do not count) who would like to overthrow these Monarchies and replace them with shiny new democracies, but the people in these Monarchies are relatively well to do and they can still play a great role in creating bridges between their countries and other larger Sunni Muslim countries like Indonesia, Egypt, Pakistan and Bangladesh, taking part in projects like OICPKF, OICMIC and GFC(OIC IIFA). This would be a rather small sacrifice on the part of around 40 million people, for the greater good of the 1.2 billion Sunni Muslim world (in Sunni majority countries), to accept the Monarchies leadership for the time being. The Monarchs' in turn can sponsor projects like the following, which will enhance their own security, as well as the security of greater Sunni Muslim world:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle-east-africa/273947-oic-military-industrial-complex-oicmic.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...ntaining-peace-majority-muslim-countries.html

The other aspect of the defense of the Monarchy as well as that of the Sunni Muslim world is to standardize the ideological foundation of these societies, which is Sunni Islam. Current Salafi ideological frame work is well funded, but I believe it has some limitations, with regards to its timeliness, applicability to modern pluralistic societies and tolerance for minorities of other religion or sect. How to transform the Salafi idea and make it closer to traditional Sunni Islam, that is acceptable by the vast majority of 1.4 billion Sunni Muslims, is discussed here:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...slamic-extremism-global-fiqh-council-gfc.html
* International Islamic Fiqh Academy
 
The Arab Spring revisited: How the Arab Monarchies can survive | Conflict Resolutions and World Security Solutions | worldsecuritynetwork.com

The Arab Spring revisited: How the Arab Monarchies can survive
Posted in Broader Middle East , Africa , Democracy , Human Rights , Peace and Conflict | 24-Jan-12 | Author: Prof. Dr. Ludger Kuehnhardt

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GCC Foreign Ministers. "Power based on traditional legitimacy continues to play a stabilizing role in the transformation of societies and their political systems. Traditional hereditary rule seems to be able to maintain power with more respect, possibly even with acquired legitimacy, and with lesser need for the exercise of violence against its own citizens."

Revolutions are not processes of social engineering. They unfold as an intrinsically unpredictable flow of events. Structurally, revolutions will go through phases, often through contradictory periods. Hardly any revolution will evolve without turbulences and phases of consolidation. And: Revolutions do not happen without moments of stagnation, surprising advancement and unexpected transformation.

I.

The beginning of the Arab Spring in 2011 has not been of a different nature. It started as a fundamental surprise to most, took different turns in different countries and was far from being over by the end of 2011. Transatlantic partners are fully aware of the stark differences among Arab countries. They realize the genuine nature of each nation's struggle for democracy. Yet, they are inclined to take the Western experience with democracy as key bench mark for judging current progress in the Arab world. The constitutional promise of the US or the success of the peaceful revolutions in Eastern and Central Europe in 1989/90 is inspiring, yet also calls for caution in judging and projecting the Arab Spring. Preconditions have to be taken into account. Beside, the history of Europe's 19th and 20th century also suggest room for failure in the process of moving toward rule of law and participatory democracy. Some cynics have already suggested that the Arab Spring could be followed by an Arab Autumn or even Winter. Even if one discards such previsions as inappropriate self-fulfilling prophecy, certain European experiences should probably not be forgotten:

In the 1830s, Germany experienced its own Spring toward pluralism and democracy, then called “Vormärz”. That German spring movement ("Sturm und Drang") was essentially a cultural uprising without the follow-up of transformational political change.
In 1848, across Europe revolutionary upheavals promoted the hope for an early parliamentary constitutionalism across the continent. In most places, this hope was soon to be replaced by variants of a restrictive consolidation of the ancient regimes.
In 1989, the experience of Romania deviated strongly from most of the peaceful revolutions across Europe. Ousting and even killing the former dictator was a camouflage for the old regime to prevail for almost another decade. While the rest of Central and South Eastern Europe struggled with regime change and renewal, Romania prolonged regime atrophy and resistance to renewal.
No matter what direction the Arab Spring may take in the months and years ahead, two trends are startling for now:

1. The Arab Spring has initiated a wide range of different reactions and trends in each of the Arab countries. The assumption of a homogenous Arab world has become a myth. Likewise, the assumption of permanently stagnant and immobile Arab societies has become a myth. The quest for dignity, voice and inclusion under rule of law and a true structure of social pluralism has been the signature of peaceful protest all over the Arab world. The reactions of incumbent regimes have demonstrated a variety of strategies, but also different levels of strength, legitimacy and criminal energy.

2. Most surprising has been the relative resilience of the Arab monarchies to the Arab Spring: Morocco and Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Oman, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Bahrain have been reasonably unaffected and stable (in spite of the temporary clashes in Bahrain and their oppression with the help of Saudi-Arabia’s army).While the quest for dignity, voice and inclusion has posed a challenge to all regimes in the Arab world, Arab monarchies emerged relatively undisturbed from the first wave of popular unrest and protest. This contrasts with the protest against personal rule in most Arab republics: The flight of a corrupt President whose security apparatus was no longer predictable (Tunisia), the arrest of a deposed President who seemed to be in fullest command of its security apparatus, but could not maintain support of his army (Egypt), the semi-deposition of a ruler who was torn between security factions and split traditional loyalties (Yemen), the criminal attack on its own people by the security forces loyal to a beleaguered President (Syria), the oppression of all potential unrest by an old regime still in its last sight of absolute power (Algeria), and the launching of a war by a delegitimized ruler against his own people (Libya) were variations of a complex theme across Arab republics. Lebanon has been a special case for years, with its own transformational revolution (“Cedar Revolution”) going on since 2005. Iraq and Sudan have also been of a unique character due to their specific domestic and geopolitical constellation.

How can one explain the almost paradoxical phenomenon that hereditary monarchies - at least for the time being - seem to be less affected by the protest against personal rule and patrimonial authoritarianism that has resonated across the Arab world? One initial observation is undeniable: Saudi-Arabia is particularly interested in supporting Arab monarchies and it is doing so with an enormous amount of money. In fact, Saudi Arabia may even be interested in preventing too far-reaching democratization in Arab republics. But the vested interests of the Saudi family alone do not explain why Arab monarchies tend to be more resilient to the current wave of protest to be heard all over the Arab world. One has to go beyond the obvious and look for structural explanations. Most evident - and well beyond the Arab world - is the fact that power based on traditional legitimacy continues to play a stabilizing role in the transformation of societies and their political systems. Usually, republican authoritarian personal rule built on a political ideology (i.e. independence, socialism, nationalism, development) can only be maintained through a security apparatus and the pressure it can exert on a rising popular demand for change. In contrast, traditional hereditary rule seems to be able to maintain power with more respect, possibly even with acquired legitimacy, and with lesser need for the exercise of violence against its own citizens. The most interesting question stemming from this observation is as follows: do we know what it may take for monarchies to be successful over time? It is not enough to simply recall the religious rooting of Arab monarchical legitimacy as it is especially the case in Saudi-Arabia and in Morocco. No matter their religious or similar moral-based authority: The historic record of monarchies confronted with the pressure for change is mixed. Reference to traditional religious sources of legitimacy has not been enough for several monarchies to survive the winds of change their societies where confronted with. While going beyond this perspective, several insights into the nature of hereditary rule that has stood the test of societal change are pertinent and may serve as a useful mirror to be kept in mind as the future path of hereditary rule in the Arab world is unfolding.

II.

The historic record of hereditary rule when confronted with the challenges of social, political or economic transformation or even revolution has not been all too impressive. From the 17th century (Great Britain) to the 19th century (France, Spain, Portugal, Brazil, Mexico) and to 20th century (Germany, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, China, Greece, Cambodia, Persia, Nepal, Egypt, Libya, Iraq) more monarchies were toppled than rebuild whenever their societies were fundamentally transformed. The current European hereditary monarchies (United Kingdom, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Luxemburg, Monaco, Liechtenstein) as well as non-European monarchies (Japan, Malaysia, Thailand, Brunei, Bhutan, Cambodia, Tonga, Lesotho, Swaziland plus the Arab monarchies) are rather the exception to the rule – the global trend seems to favor republican political order as the answer to socio-economic and political modernization. However, restorations in Great Britain (17th century) and in Spain (20th century) as well as the transformation of Imperial rule in Japan after 1945 indicate the potential for the revival of hereditary rule in times of great upheaval. The panorama of an ongoing survival of almost two dozen monarchies and systems of hereditary rules should not forget the more than two thousand year old electoral monarchy of the Catholic Church. After all, the Pope is also head of state of the Vatican.
What are the main lessons to be drawn from the survival or revival of hereditary rule elsewhere that could be of inspirational insight for the future of contemporary Arab hereditary rulers?

1. No warfare with or threat of violence toward any neighbor. Consolidated monarchies across the world have recognized the legitimacy of borders and the sovereign rights of their neighbors. This, in turn, has helped consolidated monarchies to stay out of international conflicts over territory or power.

For Arab monarchies, this global experience would imply that for the sake of their own interest they would be well advised to search for peace with Israel; to recognize Israel and to facilitate a two-state solution which would allow Israel to live in security and an independent Palestinian State to live in decency without any border dispute between either of the two states and between them and the Arab monarchies.

2. Turn from a rule of fear into a symbol of respect and national unity. Consolidated monarchies have been able to disconnect the court from the national security apparatus and to project themselves as benevolent symbol of national unity, sometimes coupled with a certain religious authority.

For Arab monarchies, this global experience would imply to transfer security forces and the military to full parliamentary control; to initiate lustration processes aimed at bringing to justice past crimes of the security apparatus without deconstructing the security apparatus as such; to introduce strict rule of law also over all security forces and military authorities without sidelining them from the future processes of society and politics.

3. Separate authority from power. Consolidated monarchies have decoupled their traditional authority from the daily business of politics and the structure of national power. They have accepted an independent government and parliamentary rule as the main source of national political power. Consolidated monarchies have surrendered their power to constitutional rule and thus maintained their symbolic and traditional authority.

For Arab monarchies, this global experience would imply to empower parliamentary governance through a prime ministerial system with full accountability to the respective parliamentary majority; to terminate the appointment of prime ministers or members of parliaments, including the Upper House; to initiate a process of rewriting the national constitution aimed at properly organizing a new national consensus framed by a constitution-based parliamentary monarchy.

4. Disassociate personal wealth from the wealth of the country. In consolidated monarchies, the personal budget of the monarch and the court has been disconnected from the sources of wealth of the country. The budget of today's monarchs may still be less accountable than other elements of public spending, but the allocation of the court's budget in consolidated monarchies is no longer based on the ruler's arbitrary access to public goods.

For Arab monarchies, this global experience would imply to separate state funds from the funds available for the monarch and his entourage; to install parliamentary control over the allocation of resources for the hereditary sovereign and a solid system of accountability for auditing these resources.

III.

The path to constitutional and parliamentary monarchy among those countries that have been able to successfully transform from personal rule to parliamentary monarchy has always been long and often arduous. In most cases, it went through similar stages, worth being recalled as the Arab Spring unfolds.
1. Originally, personal rule was based on control of territory and people. Gradually, intermediary elites were installed by the ruler or emerged against the initial will of the ruler. In a long process, they advanced the notion of legal rule over personal rule (i.e. Magna Carta). Arab hereditary monarchs would be well advised to respond to the quest for freedom and justice from within their citizenry with a sustained support of independent legal structures.

2. The growing diversification of economic activities - especially the emergence of capital-based production and division of labor - generated functional elites (bankers, owners of trading houses and production) with growing demand for political inclusion and participation. Arab hereditary monarchs would be well advised to support the establishment of independent representation of functional elites (including business associations and trade unions) recognized as a genuine sphere of open and legitimate political discourse with the objective to fully participate in the public policy dialogue.

3. The claims of a new bourgeoisie for political inclusion led to an advanced rule of law and opened the way for democratic participation which in turn stabilized the socio-political system (middle class). Arab hereditary monarchs would be well advised to do their utmost to help their societies moving beyond the prevailing oligarchic structures, often of a rent-seeking mindset. It is here that the experience of Turkey's economic development may be a source of inspiration for the transformation necessary in the Arab world, beyond the Arab monarchies.

4. Time and again, parliamentary rule came under pressure by the aspiration of personal rule in the name of contingent social, cultural and intellectual ideas and ideologies. However, no republican dictator was ever able to exercise the “natural” features of traditional rule over such a long time that he could translate his rule into legitimate hereditary succession. Today, North Korea’s ruling family and the ruling family of Assad in Syria – and in a limited way the regimes of Kabila in Congo and of Ali Bongo in Gabon – are the exception to this rule. Yet, these contemporary hereditary dictatorships have been unable to generate legitimacy for their specific version of authoritarian or pseudo-democratic hereditary succession. A democratic exception to this phenomenon is provided by the current situation in Singapore: the first prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew’s son is the countries respected and legitimate third Prime Minister, Lee Hysien Loong. Arab hereditary monarchs would be well advised to disconnect any family member from public offices that ought to be mandated by the authorized government which, in turn, should be held accountable by the respective parliament.

5. Most personal and patrimonial rulers in post-colonial societies did resort to similar mechanisms of maintaining their position: patronage, clientelism, theft, corruption, crime and violence usually were the most prominent features. As republican dictators are lacking the features of traditional authority, they try to resort to charismatic rule, violence and coercion, none of which can generate the necessary features required for transition toward legitimate hereditary succession. Arab hereditary monarchs would be well advised to match political openness and transparency with personal modesty and decency in spending behavior.

For now, the strongest source of authority of contemporary monarchies in the Arab world (and elsewhere) is the traditional legitimacy attributed to their rule. Besides a reflection on the insights drawn from other consolidated monarchies in today's world, the current Arab hereditary rulers would be well advised to address key structural challenges that are vital for a peaceful and sustainable transformation in their respective society:

1. Consolidate open spaces in which a pluralistic civil society can thrive. Relate these open spaces to the political arena and include open political spaces into the national dialogue on constitutional reform.

2. Rehabilitate the authority of the public sphere by promoting multi-party systems. Election thresholds of 3 to 5 percent ought to guarantee that these multi-party systems help consolidating the new constitutional consensus.

3. Promote strong legal sector reforms including all levels of the judiciary and the penitentiary system. Initiate public education programs that raise the awareness of the primacy of rule of law over any system of personal patronage, coercion or arbitrariness.

4. Most importantly: Promote private investment – both domestic and international - with the prime aim of providing sustainable employment opportunities for the young generation. In the end, only a stable middle class based on qualified and appropriate means of education and vocational training can guarantee long-term stability in any Arab society.

IV.

The Arab Spring has opened a new chapter in the political history of the Arab world. The outcome is far from predictable. It may vary from country to country and it may drag on with different speed and intensity for years, if not for decades. But a beginning has been made thanks to the courage of non-violent people, who want to revitalize their societies on the basis of dignity, freedom and justice. In a geopolitical context, the historic opportunity which the Arab Spring represents will, at least, lead to two fundamental reconfigurations:
1. The traditional prejudice according to which Africa is divided between North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa will fall. The issue of overcoming personal rule and introducing constitutional change aimed at enabling rule of law-based pluralistic democracy is as pertinent in most of Sub-Saharan Africa as it is in the Arab World. In both regions the issue reflects the deficits of post-colonial politics. Hence, the uprising of the Arab Spring has been watched with great intensity in Sub-Saharan Africa, with enthusiasm among young people and with worry among some of the petrified post-colonial elites. The Arab Spring will repeat itself in several sub-Saharan societies. There, it will most likely bring about the same mixed picture of success, stagnation and failure as we see in the Arab world. Thus, it will support the trend (and the need) for a differentiated perception of Africa. Instead of continuously and erroneously imagining Africa as one, the long-term constitutional effect of the Arab Spring will help to distinguish between an emerging Africa of successful political transformation beyond the post-colonial era, and a stagnating Africa that remains trapped in post-colonial structures of personal rule and patrimonialism.

2. Transatlantic partners will have to re-define their strategies toward the Arab world. Neither policies of fear and stereotypes based on distorted notions of identity nor attitudes of benevolent paternalism will help to redefine American and European relations with the Arab societies and their emerging new political structures. Transatlantic partners need to engage the Arab world – and eventually Africa, too – into a comprehensive agenda of transformation.

As for the transatlantic partners, it will be necessary to move beyond the traditional security paradigm. For a long time, Arab monarchies were considered Western security partners based on geopolitical considerations with little consideration for domestic issues. In the future, the Arab monarchies can be stable security partners of the West if their legitimate domestic stability provides the ground for predictable international behavior. The necessary transformation processes will accompany Arab hereditary rulers for many years to come. Transatlantic partners ought to engage Arab monarchies in multifold processes of transformation aimed at advancing the reality of consolidated, legitimate and modernized monarchies that eventually accept the frame of parliamentary constitutionalism. The notion of parliamentary monarchy may be new to Arab hereditary systems. It is, however, not impossible to achieve such a stage as other monarchies around the world have proven. In fact, it may well be the only realistic option for Arab monarchies to prevail over time.

Currently, the transatlantic partners pursue independent strategies of cooperation with the Arab world. In spite of a strong normative overlap, their strategies also represent different interests and genuine approaches. The enormous challenge of the current opening of the Arab political space should be seen as a golden opportunity for both the United States and the European Union to define a joint strategy of their future engagement with the Arab world. Its formative ideas should be transformation and legitimacy, its long term objectives stability and partnership, and its driving instruments geared at promoting civil society and the private sector.

Some monarchies went through stages of transformation that stretched over centuries. The hereditary rulers in the Arab world may not have so much time. What is truly new of the events of 2011 is the spirit of the Arab Spring: self-empowerment of Arab societies, bringing back dignity and hope to frustrated and marginalized societies, enabling millions of citizens to act as proud, self-confident and open partners of their neighbors. This might only be the first step in a long, complex and often vexed journey. Currently, the main focus among transatlantic partners is on the future of Arab republics which are torn between the most extreme possible scenarios. Some may think that Arab monarchies will be the last to reform and hence can be neglected right now. There are good reasons to argue for the opposite. Unreformed Arab monarchies could undermine any progress currently made in Arab republics. But reformed, transformed and consolidated Arab monarchies could become reliable agents for change and legitimacy in a renewed Arab world.

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Prof. Dr. Ludger Kühnhardt, Director of the Center for European Integration Studies (ZEI) at Bonn University in Germany and a member of the International Advisory Board of the World Security Network Foundation:"What can we learn from the survival of consolidated monarchies: 1. No warfare with or threat of violence toward any neighbor. 2. Turn from a rule of fear into a symbol of respect and national unity. 3. Separate authority from power. 4. Disassociate personal wealth from the wealth of the country."
 
As I see it it is really simple. Serve your people, follow the time and changes, don' make powerful enemies and make the necessary reforms. Otherwise their continuation will be doomed.

There will be a lot of future changes and crucial decisions that can turn very costly for them.

My feeling is that a form of constitutional monarchy will see its light in 10-15 years if not sooner.

Anyway the leaders come and go - rulers too. The most important thing are the people and nation, the well-being of the society and the long-term planning and objects.

Looking at the turmoil in our region I have no objections when I see that most of my fellow countrymen are happy that they avoided their kind of Arab Spring.

Only real success story in my opinion is Yemen. A lot of positive changes despite being affected with AQAP and the Houthi's. I have been impressed. Aside from the other well-known problems such as poverty, economy etc.
 
@kalu_miah

@Aeronaut

Your thoughts on this would be highly appreciated since you both have made a lot of interesting posts about the MB/GCC split and how to solve the problems?

I want to hear the opinions of friendly outsiders.
 
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@kalu_miah

@Aeronaut

Your thoughts on this would be highly appreciated since you both have made a lot of interesting posts about the MB/GCC split and how to solve the problems?

I want to hear the opinions of friendly outsiders.


I'm personally anti ALL monarchies, regardless of where they are. Mark my words, we muslims cannot realize our dream for a unified people standing up for their rights until all of our nations have been liberated from traitors imposed on us by the colonials.
 
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I'm personally anti ALL monarchies, regardless of where they are. Mark my words, we muslims cannot realize our dream for a unified people standing up for their rights until all of our nations have been liberated from traitors imposed on us by the colonials.

I have to only partially agree here. I don't distinguish between a monarchy ruled by a autocrat or a republic ruled by a autocrat. The only difference is the title they use. Also let us be honest. Many Muslims, not only Arabs, would prefer to live in GCC monarchies such as UAE, Qatar, Kuwait etc. rather than theocracies like Iran ruled by non-royals.

Some of the, or should I say rather most of the Arab rulers, have nothing to do with colonialism. Many ruled long before any Brits or French turned up.

The problem with the current Muslim world, as I see it at least, is not the form of government but the INDIVIDUALS that are competing against each other for no apparent reason other than selfishness. Look at KSA and Qatar as the best example. Neighboring Arabian countries with a lot in common at least the Khalejii part of KSA (remember KSA is a huge and diverse country). Still they are supporting different fractions best exemplified in Syria and Egypt.

Another example which we discussed not long ago was the Pakistani-Bangladeshi relations. Two Muslim countries surrounded by the enemy Indian. Despite that relations are not as they are SUPPOSED to be.

The main thing is wise rulers. Wise rulers = wise countries = wise populations. Nature will do the rest.

Can you follow me?
 
I have to only partially agree here. I don't distinguish between a monarchy ruled by a autocrat or a republic ruled by a autocrat. The only difference is the title they use. Also let us be honest. Many Muslims, not only Arabs, would prefer to live in GCC monarchies such as UAE, Qatar, Kuwait etc. rather than theocracies like Iran ruled by non-royals.

Some of the, or should I say rather most of the Arab rulers, have nothing to do with colonialism. Many ruled long before any Brits or French turned up.

The problem with the current Muslim world, as I see it at least, is not the form of government but the INDIVIDUALS that are competing against each other for no apparent reason other than selfishness. Look at KSA and Qatar as the best example. Neighboring Arabian countries with a lot in common at least the Khalejii part of KSA (remember KSA is a huge and diverse country). Still they are supporting different fractions best exemplified in Syria and Egypt.

Another example which we discussed not long ago was the Pakistani-Bangladeshi relations. Two Muslim countries surrounded by the enemy Indian. Despite that relations are not as they are SUPPOSED to be.

The main thing is wise rulers. Wise rulers = wise countries = wise populations. Nature will do the rest.

Can you follow me?


I'm sorry brother, i personally [Strictly] believe in injecting 'fresh blood' into politics every 10 years. I get the point of the pros you get from having autocracies i-e stability, better economy etc. That is not the end though, if we as people are to speak in one voice, we would have to 'unite as people', build more people to people contacts between the Muslim nations.

However, you must question why a visionary organization like the OIC has failed us miserably? - Because a large chunk of Muslim population is still ruled by autocratic systems. Where most of the Muslims want Sharia law, but it is not being implemented.

Islamic governance is a democratic structure and is inherently, by design anti autocracy/theocracy - This creates panic amongst our kings in the gulf, they do not wish to cater for people's aspirations other than that of their own. We desperately need modern democratic structures in our nations, so we can meet the challenges of the world. Speak with a louder, unified voice. Think about it, we form almost 30% of human population but don't have a permanent UNSC seat? :D

Majority of the Muslims, want Sharia Law.


A lot of work has been done in Pakistan in regards to the question of 'How Islamic system of governance can be implemented with all of its democratic,values in the modern world.' If you are interested - i can provide you some great material to read.

Best regards
 
I have to only partially agree here. I don't distinguish between a monarchy ruled by a autocrat or a republic ruled by a autocrat. The only difference is the title they use. Also let us be honest. Many Muslims, not only Arabs, would prefer to live in GCC monarchies such as UAE, Qatar, Kuwait etc. rather than theocracies like Iran ruled by non-royals.

Well yes and no. Even if Saudi Arabia is characterized by being a traditional monarchy, fact is it is governed by religious Sharia law. In fact Saudi arabia is more conservative than Iran, in that regard.
Some other GCC places like UAE and Qatar, it is much more libeal.

However probably people would rather still live in GCC, because of better economy.
 
Well yes and no. Even if Saudi Arabia is characterized by being a traditional monarchy, fact is it is governed by religious Sharia law. In fact Saudi arabia is more conservative than Iran, in that regard.
Some other GCC places like UAE and Qatar, it is much more libeal.

However probably people would rather still live in GCC, because of better economy.

Saudi Arabia is not a Sharia State.
 
I'm sorry brother, i personally [Strictly] believe in injecting 'fresh blood' into politics every 10 years. I get the point of the pros you get from having autocracies i-e stability, better economy etc. That is not the end though, if we as people are to speak in one voice, we would have to 'unite as people', build more people to people contacts between the Muslim nations.

However, you must question why a visionary organization like the OIC has failed us miserably? - Because a large chunk of Muslim population is still ruled by autocratic systems. Where most of the Muslims want Sharia law, but it is not being implemented.

Islamic governance is a democratic structure and is inherently, by design anti autocracy/theocracy - This creates panic amongst our kings in the gulf, they do not wish to cater for people's aspirations other than that of their own. We desperately need modern democratic structures in our nations, so we can meet the challenges of the world. Speak with a louder, unified voice. Think about it, we form almost 30% of human population but don't have a permanent UNSC seat? :D

Majority of the Muslims, want Sharia Law.


A lot of work has been done in Pakistan in regards to the question of 'How Islamic system of governance can be implemented with all of its democratic,values in the modern world.' If you are interested - i can provide you some great material to read.

Best regards

There are both positive and negatives. Don't forget that the monarchies in the GCC don't rely on a single figurehead. This is not Louis IXV rule. (Le Roi Soleil). There is a whole stab of unelected and elected figures that contribute to the decision making. It is not strictly a one-way traffic rule. Likewise in republics. But we have to realize one thing. There is no single Western styled democracy anywhere in the Muslim world. I am starting to suspect that it simply does not work in our region. We have no history of it. It is alien to us.

I don't see the rulers be they Sultans, Kings, Emirs, Presidents, Grand Ayatollah's, dictators you name it as the obstacle between Muslim relations internally. I mean among the ordinary Muslims. This forums gives a very bad picture of Muslim unity during heated debates but my experience being currently abroad due to studies and having lived in France and studied 1 year in the US, is that Muslim unity is tremendously big and transcends social class, country, ethnic group etc. I really don't believe there is a similar unity among any other group of believers. So continuously across the world.

I am not knowledgeable about whether Muslims in Bangladesh for example or Indonesia prefer Sharia over secularism etc. So I can't comment on that.

You are right. The problem is that we are not one body. Many obstacles.

I would be VERY interested 7abibi. Thank you for taking your time.

Best regards to you as well.

I am sorry that I could not elaborate more. I will be back later today with more thoughts.
 
As I see it it is really simple. Serve your people, follow the time and changes, don' make powerful enemies and make the necessary reforms. Otherwise their continuation will be doomed.

There will be a lot of future changes and crucial decisions that can turn very costly for them.

My feeling is that a form of constitutional monarchy will see its light in 10-15 years if not sooner.

Anyway the leaders come and go - rulers too. The most important thing are the people and nation, the well-being of the society and the long-term planning and objects.

Looking at the turmoil in our region I have no objections when I see that most of my fellow countrymen are happy that they avoided their kind of Arab Spring.

Only real success story in my opinion is Yemen. A lot of positive changes despite being affected with AQAP and the Houthi's. I have been impressed. Aside from the other well-known problems such as poverty, economy etc.

Managing change and transformation without major disruption will be key. I think all Monarchies need to make plans for switching to constitutional Monarchy.
 
@kalu_miah

@Aeronaut

Your thoughts on this would be highly appreciated since you both have made a lot of interesting posts about the MB/GCC split and how to solve the problems?

I want to hear the opinions of friendly outsiders.

MB/GCC split is a dangerous and unwelcome development that may create instability in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya and elsewhere in Arab world. We have to deal with it very carefully.

The way to solve this problem is what I outlined in OP.

I disagree with Aeronaut that the Monarchies need to switch to democracy outright, rather agree with Dr. Ludger's detailed thesis (post #2) on how the Arab Monarchies can and should slowly over time switch to Constitutional Monarchies and provide democratic rights step by step in phases and avoid any Arab Spring type revolutions.
 
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I have to only partially agree here. I don't distinguish between a monarchy ruled by a autocrat or a republic ruled by a autocrat. The only difference is the title they use. Also let us be honest. Many Muslims, not only Arabs, would prefer to live in GCC monarchies such as UAE, Qatar, Kuwait etc. rather than theocracies like Iran ruled by non-royals.

Some of the, or should I say rather most of the Arab rulers, have nothing to do with colonialism. Many ruled long before any Brits or French turned up.

The problem with the current Muslim world, as I see it at least, is not the form of government but the INDIVIDUALS that are competing against each other for no apparent reason other than selfishness. Look at KSA and Qatar as the best example. Neighboring Arabian countries with a lot in common at least the Khalejii part of KSA (remember KSA is a huge and diverse country). Still they are supporting different fractions best exemplified in Syria and Egypt.

Another example which we discussed not long ago was the Pakistani-Bangladeshi relations. Two Muslim countries surrounded by the enemy Indian. Despite that relations are not as they are SUPPOSED to be.

The main thing is wise rulers. Wise rulers = wise countries = wise populations. Nature will do the rest.

Can you follow me?

Agree 100%. Ruling dynasties that have roots in the past is an asset for any nation, they are living symbols of unity and solidarity of that nation. That is why many developed West European countries treasure their Monarchy, although all have switched to Constitutional Monarchy.
 
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