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[Pakistani E]

Is it true or not that you are called Qadiani and not muslim in Pakistan, last time i heard many were asking you people to stop using islamic practices and stop acting as muslims in Pakistan.

It is true. But no one on earth has the right to tell me what to believe and what not to. I am a Muslim because I say I am, I don't need a certificate of authentication from a village mullah.

 

[Pakistani E]

@Tshering22

"It is our principle to have sympathy for the whole of mankind. If a person sees that fire has broken out in the house of a Hindu neighbour and he does not get up to help put it out, I tell you truly that he is not of me. If one of my followers sees a Christian being killed and he does not go to rescue him, I tell you very truly that he is not of us…. I say it on oath and in truth that I have no enmity with any people." (Founder of the Ahmadiyya Jama'at)

I believe in this, how can you accuse me of hating any people?

 

[Tshering22]

Well that's quite a giant leap of logic there, the real irony is you bringing religion in to every discussion like the sarkari muslims of Pakistan.

When Ahmadis start blowing people up, beheading them, taking up arms against the state etc, only then can you say we are all the same. I can generalise too, and I am really not sure that we were discussing extending olive branches to ahmadis in this thread. I know the position of Ahmadis in India, they are at least protected by the state, you are taking my political comments and equating them as some sort of religious belief. Are you feeling okay, Sir?

Can you refute the following then?

- Can you deny that you are given freedom to be who you are in India?

- Can you deny that your crucial religious place is in Gurdaspur in India, which you speak wrong about the same country that gives you more freedom than the country whose flag you wear proudly?

- And why is it that you are against us when your own country hunts your community down?

I know some of your community members here in India especially in Delhi and Punjab.

What surprises me is that how are you politically against the country that protects your type.

That is all.

 

[Tshering22]

@Tshering22

"It is our principle to have sympathy for the whole of mankind. If a person sees that fire has broken out in the house of a Hindu neighbour and he does not get up to help put it out, I tell you truly that he is not of me. If one of my followers sees a Christian being killed and he does not go to rescue him, I tell you very truly that he is not of us…. I say it on oath and in truth that I have no enmity with any people." (Founder of the Ahmadiyya Jama'at)

I believe in this, how can you accuse me of hating any people?

My statement is not against you personally.

It is simply stating that though your fellow community members are protected here in a kafir country, there you are talking about how dumb we are to believe that ancient technologies existed (the start of our one-on-one interaction).

Simply put, it is our belief system that has kept not just you but also all other non-related faiths who seek refuge in our land, happy and content for centuries; the opposite of what happens in Middle East.

 

[wolfschanzze]

And the irony is, these guys actually have their religious congregation in India in a place called Qadian in Gurdaspur district in Punjab.

Simply proves it that all of them are the same. No matter what olive branch you hand them out, they will always hate you and us.

You are right no matter what we do they will still hate you and us.
These Ahmedis were the worst ones during Partition, they were the ones who wanted partition and took up direct action day and killed many hindus then, now they have their wish Pakistan granted, which is actively hunting them .Let them enjoy the Pakistan they so much wanted and fought against hindus for.

Karma comes full circle, Ohh, karma i like how you do things ,karma plays the cruelest jokes ever

 

[wolfschanzze]

It is true. But no one on earth has the right to tell me what to believe and what not to. I am a Muslim because I say I am, I don't need a certificate of authentication from a village mullah.

Sorry but you are not according to Sunni Islam.You are considered heretics and blasphemers.
Yes you cannot say i am muslim unless you follow all the tenets of Islam in proper way.
You cant even write muslim in your school certificate or passaport,so yes you do need a authentication certificate that you are so and so by Constitution,rules of that land.

 

[Pakistani E]

You are right no matter what we do they will still hate you and us.
These Ahmedis were the worst ones during Partition, they were the ones who wanted partition and took up direct action day and killed many hindus then, now they have their wish Pakistan granted, which is actively hunting them .Let them enjoy the Pakistan they so much wanted and fought against hindus for.

Karma comes full circle, Ohh, karma i like how you do things ,karma plays the cruelest jokes ever

Stop lying. Ahmadis never killed anyone. I know that hindus and Sikhs did kill ahmadis though during partition. If you cannot prove an ahmadi killed any hindu during partition then I want an apology for misinformation. Good luck.

 

[Pakistani E]

Sorry but you are not according to Sunni Islam.You are considered heretics and blasphemers.
Yes you cannot say i am muslim unless you follow all the tenets of Islam in proper way.
You cant even write muslim in your school certificate or passaport,so yes you do need a authentication certificate that you are so and so by Constitution,rules of that land.

Only in Pakistan. Not the other Muslim countries. And I don't care what you or another Pakistani think.

 

[Pakistani E]

My statement is not against you personally.

It is simply stating that though your fellow community members are protected here in a kafir country, there you are talking about how dumb we are to believe that ancient technologies existed (the start of our one-on-one interaction).

Simply put, it is our belief system that has kept not just you but also all other non-related faiths who seek refuge in our land, happy and content for centuries; the opposite of what happens in Middle East.

You are on the wrong thread. Stop transferring your butthurt from there and derailing this thread. @Jungibaaz Can you please tell this guy not to bring up religion in this discussion and mentioning the subject of a different thread, he's intent on derailing this thread.

 

[Pakistani E]

Can you refute the following then?

- Can you deny that you are given freedom to be who you are in India?

- Can you deny that your crucial religious place is in Gurdaspur in India, which you speak wrong about the same country that gives you more freedom than the country whose flag you wear proudly?

- And why is it that you are against us when your own country hunts your community down?

I know some of your community members here in India especially in Delhi and Punjab.

What surprises me is that how are you politically against the country that protects your type.

That is all.

No, India gives ahmadis freedom. Freedom that rightly fully belongs to every person on earth. So well done for being normal?

I speak wrong about India? What ? where? Discussing ancient Indian history is not the same as discussing modern India. If I had been born in India I would have put the Indian flag proudly, what's your point?

I am not against anyone. I have praised India numerous times, I don't need to praise every single aspect, nor do I have to criticize every aspect. I give praise where I deem it necessary.

You are conflating one set of comments from a different thread to satisfy your ego. Keep going, but ask other sane Indian members first before accusing me of hating you or India.

@he-man man Do I hate you ?

 

[he-man]

No, India gives ahmadis freedom. Freedom that rightly fully belongs to every person on earth. So well done for being normal?

I speak wrong about India? What ? where? Discussing ancient Indian history is not the same as discussing modern India. If I had been born in India I would have put the Indian flag proudly, what's your point?

I am not against anyone. I have praised India numerous times, I don't need to praise every single aspect, nor do I have to criticize every aspect. I give praise where I deem it necessary.

You are conflating one set of comments from a different thread to satisfy your ego. Keep going, but ask other sane Indian members first before accusing me of hating you or India.

@he-man man Do I hate you ?

He meant The general ignorant population.
Indians and pakistanis on indivisual level have 0 animosity,,its in national terms that many become jingoistic.

 

[longewala]

Well, soon it will be proved that no only are Hindus / Christians but Muslims as well who are safer in modi's india than in Pakistan.
After the riots in Gujarat - started by the grave, disgusting act of the burning of a train of Hindus by a Muslim mob in the first place, and which saw modi calling in the army to protect Muslims - there has not been a single riot in Gujarat. Meanwhile not a single year goes by without Shias, Ahmadis, balochs, Christians being murdered by the hundred next door.

 

[Pakistani E]

He meant The general ignorant population.
Indians and pakistanis on indivisual level have 0 animosity,,its in national terms that many become jingoistic.

No go back and read his previous comments, he's saying Ahmadis hate India even when they are free to worship there etc. If not he needs to make his point clearer.

 

[he-man]

No go back and read his previous comments, he's saying Ahmadis hate India even when they are free to worship there etc. If not he needs to make his point clearer.

I generally steer clear of this as i don't even believe in god.Secondly many muslims in india just like in pakistan have been committing some stupid acts under indoctrination of mullahs etc so general population has been a bit hostile to them.

Many have difficulty in getting houses in colonies especially if they have long beards etc.This cannot be helped unless the acts of terror subside which again is linked to muslims reforming themselves and becoming more mainstream.

So this type of hate is a 2 way street.I sadly cannot influence any side in this matter.

 

[ni8mare]

its you brought religion in this thread ........now stop crying

You are on the wrong thread. Stop transferring your butthurt from there and derailing this thread. @Jungibaaz Can you please tell this guy not to bring up religion in this discussion and mentioning the subject of a different thread, he's intent on derailing this thread.

You are confusing me with zaid Hamid and his fellows. Ahmadi muslims don't believe in any flying donkeys.