The punishment is proscribed in Quran but as u said, in a pathetic and corrupt judicial system of Pakistan, that would be mostly misused. In Islam, an Islamic state can change punishments. There are recommendations in Quran and they are the upper boundaries. For example, according to my limited knowledge, u cannot give death punishment for theft but u can give a lighter punishment than cutting off hand. One example is that of Islamic way of divorce. You have to give divorce in 3 different sitting, so as to eliminate emotional decision. But then in times of Umar RA, cases of 3 talaqs in one sitting became common and most would later regret it and change their decision. This led the khalifa to change the law so whoever gave 3 talaqs in one sitting,the talaq would be considered official and with no option of reverting and changing decision plus 10 lashes. It was a punishment for not following the proper way of talaq in Islam. It shows that laws and punishments can be amended based on the era and its need, as long as it does not collide with the basics. Not cutting off hand as a punishment for theft does not collide with the basics of Islam. There is ijma is Islam, there is alot of freedom given in Islam. The problem is we let mullah interpret it for us and every mullah have made his groups and followers. Can u believe that mullahs will actually tell u not to study Quran urself because u might not understand it and go astray so u have to learn it from him and believe how he explains it. While its written in Quran very clearly that its sent in simple and easy language so that u can understand it easily. So should we believe what mullah says or the what the Quran say?
What you have stated seems reasonable to me. Now please look at this @zarban fellow in this thread. He apparently supported TTP according to @sainthood. You appear to be a moderate person. Whose vision would be realized in an Islamic state: Yours or Zarbans?
What if you found yourself in the minority of moderate muslims... and suddenly find yourself in the barbaric perversion of islam by TTP ruling the land and dispensing "justice"?
You have stated that Mullahs do a poor job of interpretation. This is actually my point. Even the experts can't agree, how are 200 million people supposed to come to a consensus?
I am not trying to win an argument against you. I am trying to demonstrate that applying your reasoning in the practical world has proven to be impossible.
You have said there are no sects in Islam. I agree. Nowhere in Quran does it say sunni or shia. However, you cannot dismiss that in the real world there are Sunnis and Shias -- and they will fight to the death if either side tries to impose its way of life on the other.
Again - this is not about proving anyone wrong but determining what is best for Pakistan.
You need to define what secularism is, especially as a Muslim or if you live in a Muslim country. I live in the US, which is -- technically -- a secular country, in that religion and politics are separated. The US Constitution contains language that prohibits the establishment of a state religion.
In the case of Muslim countries like Pakistan, there's no such separation. Islam is Pakistan and Pakistan is Islam.
Secularism is India ... cow vigilantes, love jihads, gowalkar, bjp, rss,vhp, communal riots, akhand bharat fetishizing, beef bans, hindutva, sachar commitee report, casteism, dalit persecution.
I hate these dumb pajeet posts. "I live in amreeka dubba dubba ding ding"
