Scrutiny and possible actions against Pak for perceived or real support to Afg Taliban.

[Wood]

US needs Pakistan to deal with ISIS-K and other such elements in the area that may want to do harm to its western allies. So Pakistan will remain important for US affairs in the region. But Pakistan's leverage in the relationship is not what it used to be for the time being.

Sanctions against Pakistan will never be signed off by the administration unless it is meant to influence Pakistan in some particular way that will benefit the US. There is no case for it now.

 

[PakFactor]

These sanctions were in pipes since Obama. I've written about this extensively on here. Pakistan's largest trading partner for it's exports is the US. I don't understand how do you not engage with the only real superpower in the globe for so many years as actively as it was needed. At this time, 80% of the US leaders are against Pakistan. If active foreign policy was at play all these years, you'd see minimal damage.

Secondly, your post is very flawed. You guys like to think "America got humiliated", etc, etc. These same posts are visible to the world as "Pakistanis hate America" when you guys are just too emotional to be frank. To the US, this was an operation. When an operation goes bad, we shut it down without emotions. It's just that simple. Our focus needed to be on China and now trillions are being planned to be spent against China. Nothing has really "destroyed" America financially by being in Afghanistan. Again, Pakistan has always known it had issues with the US, and secondly, there was the Indian lobby factor. That's minimized now and it's just the post Afghan war era image of Pakistan and the US leadership. So somewhere you guys needed to bring blue suits and red ties. The US leadership hates dealing with current or ex military people, sadly, that was all Pakistan could offer. Send in civilians with authority, in suits and with aggressive diplomacy. You'll see results in two years.

Trust me, no matter what you try with the American establishment it's fruitless for Pakistan. We've lost 80,000 soldiers fighting a war that was imposed on our nation. In all honesty and I will be very blunt, I feel more pain for those 80,000 soldiers than I do for the 3,000 and some miniscule soldiers that died in Afghan part of NATO. We've throughout the Cold War put our nations safety at risk before the Afghan-Soviet War and were even threatened by USSR Nuclear Attack for supporting U-2 and God knows what else, for a nation that's 12,000 miles away.

 

[Titanium100]

They are going to sanctions Pakistan. It was already written on the wall.

How Pakistan specific these sanctions are:
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Lol this partisan bill will never see the day of light. It is weak and weird people like Graham Lindsay behind it. Nothing will come out of this is another histronics false PDF alarm as usual and overreactions is PDF cuisine no sane US admin would pursue such policies for obvious reasons. The US is in geopolitcally a period where it doesn't want Pakistan turned into another Iran giving birth to few other nuclear states in the mideast as result

 

[khansaheeb]

And this was expected. A bill has been introduced to sanction individuals, countries and governments that help Taliban. There is a Pakistan specific chapter in the bill. Its very similar to Pressler Amendment.

Who told our leadership to trust the Americans? How many times we will be bitten by them?

Let's see how IK wiggles out of this one.

 

[DJ_Viper]

one of your flags needs to be changed.

Is that so? I can change both if there is a reason to. How'd you like to see the American flags again?

Research on human brain shows when there is nothing positive and logical left to counter one with, the brain makes people insult and make irrational comments to hide their lack of intellect.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I believe we will not get the F35 and F22 the only thing we are missing
let us light up a candle and mourn over

What else ?

• Tractors come from China / Europe
• Cars come from China / Japan / Europe
• Oil come from Multiple countries
• Gas comes from Multiple countries
• Nuclear Weapons we make it at home
• Submarines we getting from China
• JF17 Engines coming from Russia
• Tanks mostly local
• Missile Program all Local
• Ship building all Local
• Live Stock Local
• Crops Local
• Fruit Local
• Clothes Local
• Shoes Local

What we getting from USA

• Pizza Hut
• McDonalds Burgers
• The wheat bags from 1990's we have them in special storage

 

[M. Sarmad]

You are so very far off this time. I wish I could let you speak to our leadership so you can see their attitude on both sides. There is very strong anti-Pakistan focus and it has some input from India, but majority of it has been brewing since 2002.

US relationship with Pakistan has always been purely transactional. We are less dependant on the US today than we were in 90s. Completely alienating Pakistan is not in US interest. It will have implications for the US influence too. If US really sanctions Pakistan this time, and we really hope it does, then we do have our contingency plans in place. The general mood in Pakistan has shifted from "Do More" to "No More"

 

[doorstar]

Is that so? I can change both if there is a reason to. How'd you like to see the American flags again?

Research on human brain shows when there is nothing positive and logical left to counter one with, the brain makes people insult and make irrational comments to hide the lack of intellect.

I am not now nor have ever been Anti- America.

the errors/slip-ups you make in your writing are not American but subcontinental

 

[Khan1988]

Marco Rubio Wants a Counterterrorism Plan in Afghanistan, Pakistan from Joe Biden - Florida Daily

Last week, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., the vice-chairman of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, sent a letter to President Joe Biden demanding answers as to how his administration plans to rebuild lost intelligence and counterterrorism capabilities in Afghanistan and the tribal...

www.floridadaily.com

Marco Rubio writes "As such, it is an outrage and deeply offensive that your administration would put the blame for this disaster on our Afghan partners. "

Wow ! After 20 years and $1.5 trillion expense Americans failed to create viable Afghan society, government and armed forces. All these three pillars collapsed in 11 days ! Even the former President Ghani fled the country with $116 million dollars without informing the Afghan government. Just blame Pakistan for this defeat while absolving the Afghan society, government and armed forces for their own monumental failures.

 

[DJ_Viper]

I am not now nor have ever been Anti- America.

the errors/slip-ups you make in your writing are not American but subcontinental

I am a Chinese descent who grew up in Nigeria, went to school in Canada and at the end, "I LUV Murica". Continue to dance on my writing style. Try coming up with logical counter narrative vs. wasting time and getting personal.

 

[doorstar]

We've lost 80,000 soldiers fighting a war

what a loada bullshit. when moron khan says this he means soldiers, terrorists and civilians all combined. sometimes he says 65k at other times it is 75k, now according to PDFers it is 80k

went to school in Canada

I thought Canada had better standards of education than is apparent from your posts

 

[DJ_Viper]

US relationship with Pakistan has always been purely transactional. We are less dependant on the US today than we were in 90s. Completely alienating Pakistan is not in US interest. It will have implications for the US influence too. If US really sanctions Pakistan this time, and we really hope it does, then we do have our contingency plans in place. The general mood in Pakistan has shifted from "Do More" to "No More"

It's been "transactional" or you've kept it that way and didn't know how to manage it? The later is the truth here. Every time a nation to nation relationship is built and managed by militaries, it never gets to the Public. Results is this relationship.

 

[Indos]

what a loada bullshit. when moron khan says this he means soldiers and civilians combined

Never though there are 80.000 Pakistani deaths. In what war ? As I know Afghan war during USSR, Pakistan only supplied ammunition, weapon, and maybe some special force operation, never has direct fight against USSR.

And during Bush invasion in Afghan, Pakistan is also not involved. Drone attack by Obama administration did make many victims as many Taliban run away to Pakistan and Pakistan civilians may become victim, but I am not suppose to reach 80.000 lives............

 

[Maula Jatt]

Never though there are 80.000 Pakistani deaths. In what war ? As I know Afghan war during USSR, Pakistan only supplied ammunition, weapon, and maybe some special force operation, never has direct fight against USSR.

And during Bush invasion in Afghan, Pakistan is also not involved. Drone attack by Obama administration did make many victims as many Taliban run away to Pakistan and Pakistan civilians may become victim, but I am not suppose to reach 80.000 lives............

Apparently they kinda did Soviet planes regularly came to Pak territory and in Panjshir valley they had Pakistani forces disguised as Afghans helping the mujahideen (or misheard)

Look at the Panjshir valley assault part

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Figure of 80,000 people

Let us examine a period between 1970-Present

Reference:

Terrorism in Pakistan | South Asian Terrorism Portal

Know all about Terrorism in Pakistan on South Asian Terrorist Portal, a largest website on Terrorism and low inrensity welfare in South Asia. Pakistan Terrorism Assessment 2020.

www.satp.org

Who runs SATP.ORG ? unsure however sure seems detailed information

Do more you say?

ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!!



1977-2000 stats not included but easy to see how you can go from 63,000 to 80,000 people easily
considering India was bombing Karachi with Terrorist activities using cells like Kalbhushan

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		Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2000-2019 ​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ 2000 45​ 0​ 0​ 45​ 2001 29​ 9​ 0​ 38​ 2002 88​ 7​ 44​ 139​ 2003 140​ 24​ 25​ 189​ 2004 435​ 184​ 244​ 863​ 2005 430​ 81​ 137​ 648​ 2006 608​ 325​ 538​ 1471​ 2007 1522​ 597​ 1479​ 3598​ 2008 2155​ 654​ 3906​ 6715​ 2009 2324​ 991​ 8389​ 11704​ 2010 1796​ 469​ 5170​ 7435​ 2011 2738​ 765​ 2800​ 6303​ 2012 3007​ 732​ 2472​ 6211​ 2013 3001​ 676​ 1702​ 5379​ 2014 1781​ 533​ 3182​ 5496​ 2015 940​ 339​ 2403​ 3682​ 2016 612​ 293​ 898​ 1803​ 2017 540​ 208​ 512​ 1260​ 2018 369​ 165​ 157​ 691​ 2019 97​ 75​ 56​ 228​ Total* 22657​ 7127​ 34114​ 63898​ *Data till June 23, 2019 2019*​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 5​ 12​ 15​ 32​ February 10​ 11​ 2​ 23​ March 15​ 13​ 4​ 32​ April 38​ 11​ 6​ 55​ May 26​ 20​ 25​ 71​ June 3​ 8​ 4​ 15​ Total​ 97​ 75​ 56​ 228​ *Data till June 23, 2019 2018​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 18​ 17​ 22​ 57​ February 6​ 23​ 13​ 42​ March 17​ 13​ 16​ 46​ April 19​ 15​ 10​ 44​ May 14​ 13​ 17​ 44​ June 13​ 14​ 18​ 45​ July 216​ 10​ 11​ 237​ August 2​ 5​ 8​ 15​ September 8​ 21​ 24​ 53​ October 11​ 15​ 10​ 36​ November 43​ 9​ 4​ 56​ December 2​ 10​ 4​ 16​ Total​ 369​ 165​ 157​ 691​ 2017​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 38​ 9​ 14​ 61​ February 114​ 23​ 125​ 262​ March 26​ 19​ 62​ 107​ April 28​ 16​ 63​ 107​ May 63​ 12​ 13​ 88​ June 84​ 19​ 28​ 131​ July 40​ 26​ 44​ 110​ August 13​ 26​ 33​ 72​ September 17​ 12​ 28​ 57​ October 34​ 18​ 38​ 90​ November 41​ 19​ 33​ 93​ December 42​ 9​ 31​ 82​ Total​ 540​ 208​ 512​ 1260​ 2016​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 48​ 38​ 127​ 213​ February 36​ 30​ 149​ 215​ March 126​ 16​ 128​ 270​ April 27​ 28​ 122​ 177​ May 36​ 20​ 61​ 117​ June 33​ 16​ 36​ 85​ July 26​ 7​ 27​ 60​ August 103​ 13​ 55​ 171​ September 77​ 26​ 42​ 145​ October 23​ 75​ 58​ 156​ November 68​ 23​ 55​ 146​ December 9​ 1​ 38​ 48​ Total​ 612​ 293​ 898​ 1803​ 2015​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 137​ 44​ 266​ 447​ February 94​ 15​ 152​ 261​ March 72​ 34​ 304​ 410​ April 60​ 19​ 239​ 318​ May 137​ 27​ 217​ 381​ June 35​ 29​ 321​ 385​ July 49​ 28​ 91​ 168​ August 98​ 40​ 302​ 440​ September 81​ 46​ 178​ 305​ October 74​ 22​ 115​ 211​ November 32​ 25​ 117​ 174​ December 71​ 10​ 101​ 182​ Total​ 940​ 339​ 2403​ 3682​ 2014​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 236​ 94​ 133​ 463​ February 185​ 48​ 178​ 411​ March 134​ 41​ 47​ 222​ April 116​ 20​ 130​ 266​ May 116​ 50​ 187​ 353​ June 162​ 66​ 557​ 785​ July 134​ 59​ 280​ 473​ August 111​ 30​ 209​ 350​ September 108​ 26​ 353​ 487​ October 110​ 22​ 289​ 421​ November 157​ 51​ 376​ 584​ December 212​ 26​ 443​ 681​ Total​ 1781​ 533​ 3182​ 5496​ 2013​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 414​ 70​ 265​ 749​ February 360​ 44​ 201​ 605​ March 249​ 43​ 193​ 485​ April 230​ 88​ 234​ 552​ May 283​ 81​ 185​ 549​ June 326​ 62​ 104​ 492​ July 240​ 68​ 149​ 457​ August 224​ 62​ 62​ 348​ September 292​ 46​ 71​ 409​ October 127​ 37​ 70​ 234​ November 144​ 43​ 82​ 269​ December 112​ 32​ 86​ 230​ Total​ 3001​ 676​ 1702​ 5379​ 2012 Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 177​ 117​ 234​ 528​ February 208​ 59​ 193​ 460​ March 207​ 72​ 454​ 733​ April 239​ 36​ 124​ 399​ May 247​ 76​ 193​ 516​ June 303​ 64​ 289​ 656​ July 303​ 60​ 207​ 570​ August 258​ 70​ 304​ 632​ September 278​ 22​ 164​ 464​ October 252​ 40​ 166​ 458​ November 288​ 31​ 69​ 388​ December 247​ 85​ 75​ 407​ Total​ 3007​ 732​ 2472​ 6211​ 2011 Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 204​ 38​ 255​ 497​ February​ 107​ 68​ 160​ 335​ March​ 432​ 48​ 148​ 628​ April 263​ 57​ 254​ 574​ May 161​ 140​ 220​ 521​ June 209​ 80​ 354​ 643​ July 423​ 51​ 337​ 811​ August 430​ 77​ 183​ 690​ September 186​ 39​ 130​ 355​ October 119​ 32​ 172​ 323​ November 91​ 92​ 333​ 516​ December 113​ 43​ 254​ 410​ Total​ 2738​ 765​ 2800​ 6303​ 2010 Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 182​ 33​ 387​ 602​ February​ 92​ 68​ 340​ 500​ March​ 168​ 36​ 502​ 706​ April 182​ 50​ 558​ 790​ May 156​ 38​ 833​ 1027​ June 72​ 44​ 598​ 714​ July 220​ 36​ 618​ 874​ August 113​ 30​ 177​ 320​ September 216​ 27​ 305​ 548​ October 72​ 31​ 296​ 399​ November 141​ 34​ 274​ 449​ December 182​ 42​ 282​ 506​ Total​ 1796​ 469​ 5170​ 7435​ 2009 Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 250​ 69​ 245​ 564​ February​ 216​ 31​ 430​ 677​ March​ 168​ 67​ 171​ 406​ April 132​ 89​ 297​ 518​ May 279​ 155​ 1590​ 2024​ June 200​ 157​ 1397​ 1754​ July 156​ 58​ 768​ 982​ August 155​ 34​ 531​ 720​ September 111​ 77​ 662​ 850​ October 255​ 118​ 1001​ 1374​ November 175​ 93​ 792​ 1060​ December 227​ 43​ 505​ 775​ Total​ 2324​ 991​ 8389​ 11704​ 2008 Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 88​ 111​ 455​ 654​ February 182​ 33​ 30​ 245​ March 137​ 26​ 41​ 204​ April 80​ 25​ 16​ 121​ May 61​ 30​ 37​ 128​ June 149​ 31​ 38​ 218​ July 82​ 71​ 250​ 403​ August 339​ 124​ 784​ 1247​ September 272​ 67​ 876​ 1215​ October 262​ 60​ 735​ 1057​ November 225​ 50​ 482​ 757​ December 278​ 26​ 162​ 466​ Total 2155​ 654​ 3906​ 6715​ 2007 Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists/Insurgents​ Total​ January 26​ 16​ 29​ 71​ February 35​ 4​ 8​ 47​ March 28​ 21​ 261​ 310​ April 176​ 18​ 83​ 277​ May 57​ 10​ 14​ 81​ June 31​ 12​ 40​ 83​ July 144​ 143​ 191​ 478​ August 56​ 63​ 117​ 236​ September 101​ 67​ 144​ 312​ October 282​ 101​ 154​ 537​ November 293​ 94​ 341​ 728​ December 293​ 48​ 97​ 438​ Total 1522​ 597​ 1479​ 3598​ 2006 Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists​ Total​ January 114​ 29​ 22​ 165​ February 88​ 16​ 2​ 106​ March 91​ 19​ 221​ 331​ April 96​ 44​ 53​ 193​ May 43​ 39​ 5​ 87​ June 26​ 29​ 47​ 102​ July 12​ 52​ 49​ 113​ August 22​ 43​ 44​ 109​ September 22​ 0​ 2​ 24​ October 42​ 7​ 83​ 132​ November 42​ 45​ 9​ 96​ December 10​ 2​ 1​ 13​ Total 608​ 325​ 538​ 1471​ 2005​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists​ Total​ January 30​ 7​ 2​ 39​ February 11​ 0​ 6​ 17​ March 77​ 15​ 3​ 95​ April 6​ 2​ 2​ 10​ May 63​ 5​ 2​ 70​ June 8​ 1​ 0​ 9​ July 29​ 2​ 43​ 74​ August 14​ 10​ 1​ 25​ September 32​ 17​ 40​ 89​ October 27​ 15​ 16​ 58​ November 13​ 0​ 12​ 25​ December 120​ 7​ 10​ 137​ Total 430​ 81​ 137​ 648​ 2004​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists​ Total​ January 0​ 4​ 0​ 4​ February 2​ 0​ 1​ 3​ March 47​ 45​ 25​ 117​ April 6​ 5​ 1​ 12​ May 45​ 0​ 0​ 45​ June 60​ 37​ 24​ 121​ July 28​ 6​ 19​ 53​ August 42​ 17​ 4​ 63​ September 70​ 36​ 70​ 176​ October 114​ 11​ 28​ 153​ November 5​ 19​ 72​ 96​ December 16​ 4​ 0​ 20​ Total 435​ 184​ 244​ 863​ 2003​ Civilians​ Security Force Personnel​ Terrorists​ Total​ January 7​ 0​ 0​ 7​ February 18​ 3​ 1​ 22​ March 0​ 0​ 1​ 1​ April 1​ 0​ 0​ 1​ May 6​ 0​ 1​ 7​ June 5​ 13​ 0​ 18​ July 61​ 2​ 0​ 63​ August 4​ 0​ 0​ 4​ September 10​ 0​ 0​ 10​ October 8​ 5​ 18​ 31​ November 0​ 0​ 2​ 2​ December 20​ 1​ 2​ 23​ Total 140​ 24​ 25​ 189​ Source: Figures are compiled from news reports and are provisional. Note:A large number of target killings, which many believe are carried out by the terrorists, backed by warring political parties, in Sindh were inadvertently left. Now that fatalities in such incidents have been included for the years 2011 and 2012, the data has been changed accordingly.