Scores dead in Mumbai train bombs

[Spring Onion]

Link??? what is the name of "official"??

I've been following coverage for this incident with great interest and I have yet to hear/read what you're claiming here.

it was reported on googles news i catched yesterday at about 9:45pm PST


{VK Duggal, the Indian home minister, told Indian television that authorities had information an attack was coming on one of the world's busiest rail network but did not know the time or place.}


JSK the above para i had saved from a news let me come back tomorrow if i could be able to find that story with link again.

Or try to search for VK Duggal on googles u may find what he said.

Asim kinda agree with ya.

 

[Samudra]

Its called an intel tip off.
When 13 bombs went off in my town - they said had tip offs before.Was not possible to prevent.

You want proof, Jana?
In the heart of your heart is the proof.

Musharaff has in public stated that Lashkar is not a terrorist organisation.Thats enough for me to realize that Lashkar and the Pakistani Government are working together when a attack featuring all the trademarks of Lashkar takes place.

If you have anything at all against the terrorists, I'd expect you to go nail the Pakistani Army or General Musharaff.

http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/index.php?page=archive&daysum=2004-04-07

If you're living in Lahore, Mudrike cant be far.
An hours drive maybe.

 

[Neo]

It's an "11" attack.

Sir,

With all respect if its a '11' attack, the mastermind is AQ and not ISI.
LeT has links with AQ and even an organization called SIMI has been mentioned which exists of homegrown members.

Why are people so eager to blame Pakistan minutes after blasts.
We've seen this before and we'll keep watching this in future.

 

[Averroes]

US is abandoning Pakistani ties and going over to India.

signs : exaggeration of indian market
offering india military equipments
now giving them a status of victim of terrorism

it's a game of identifying them, indians, with victims in britain in order to strengthen the moral of their cooperation in the bigger game against Islam and China apparently.

 

[Awesome]

Its called an intel tip off.

Doesn't seem like it. Just a hunch.

When 13 bombs went off in my town - they said had tip offs before.Was not possible to prevent.

Meaningless Sam, when the security level wasn't increased before hand.

You want proof, Jana?
In the heart of your heart is the proof.

That sounds very weird, btw. I'll see where you go with tht.

Musharaff has in public stated that Lashkar is not a terrorist

Actually in an address to the nation he banned the outfit? Nonetheless, where's the proof that its the Lashkar. Shouldn't the Lashkar want to show the Indians down? They gave a statement that it wasn't them.

Thats enough for me to realize that Lashkar and the Pakistani Government are working together when a attack featuring all the trademarks of Lashkar takes place.

Features of Lashkar? Please also provide a link to where Musharraf declares them not a terrorist as well.

Emotional drivel won't bring the perpetrators to justice! Or do you just want to identify an enemy so bad for the heck of it?

 

[Awesome]

Sir,

With all respect if its a '11' attack, the mastermind is AQ and not ISI.
LeT has links with AQ and even an organization called SIMI has been mentioned which exists of homegrown members.

Why are people so eager to blame Pakistan minutes after blasts.
We've seen this before and we'll keep watching this in future.

Not certain but I think OoE meant that if there's enough reason to give a hunch that it was a Pakistani attack, they won't need any argument at all.

OoE, I could be wrong by a longshot but do explain that comment. 7/11? Many Pakistanis work in 711's in America, is that India's basis for a connection?

 

[Neo]

US is abandoning Pakistani ties and going over to India.

I can understand the sentiment but its not the case.
Infact Pakistan is gaining territoy with has put Indian government in a very difficult position as Pakistan once again is on the rise and a able to meet any challenge tit-for-tat.

New Delhi was much comfortable with Pakistan's isoloment in pre '98 era, going nuclear freed our way to do the same.
Our nuclear programme has always been the major reason for embargoes, santions and isolement.
Pakistan now enjoys MNNA status and its also considered as major ally against WoT.
US is looking into long term strategic relationship with Pakistan on 'one on one' base, regardless her friendship with India which is meant to encouter China not Pakistan.

 

[Neo]

Wednesday, July 12th, 2006



New Delhi - India Wednesday strongly objected to an attempt by Pakistan Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri to link the terror attacks in Mumbai and Srinagar to the resolution of the Kashmir issue and asked Islamabad to join hands with New Delhi to defeat terrorism.

‘We find it appalling that Kasuri should seek to link this blatant and inhuman act of terror against men, women and children to the lack of so-called resolution of dispute between India and Pakistan,’ external affairs ministry spokesperson Navtej Sarna told reporters.

‘His remarks appear to suggest that Pakistan will cooperate with India against the scourge of cross-border terrorism and terrorist violence only if such so-called disputes are resolved,’ Sarna stressed.

He was referring to remarks attributed to Kasuri in a section of the Pakistani media that quoted him as saying that the failure to resolve their disputes enabled ‘negative forces in both countries to blame the other country’.
‘I think the Mumbai incident - however tragic it may be and it is undoubtedly very tragic - underlines the need for the two countries to work together to control this environment. But they can only do so if they resolve their disputes,’ media reports quoted Kasuri saying.

India ‘rejected’ this linkage and expressed hope that the Pakistan government will ‘join hands with India to defeat the forces of terrorism, based on an ideology of extremism and violence.’

‘International community has to speak in one voice against terrorism. Pakistan should fully join the battle in isolating and eliminating terrorists,’ Minister of State for External Affairs Anand Sharma told IANS Wednesday, a day after the savage blasts ripped apart commuter trains in Mumbai killing nearly 180 persons and inuring hundreds.

In another set of blasts, eight tourists were killed in Srinagar.
‘The ultimate objective is to ensure that the region does not fall into eternal conflict due to terrorists’ designs,’ an outraged Sharma said.
When asked whether he suspected the hand of terrorists operating from Pakistan to be behind the July 11 blasts, Sharma said: ‘We have to first ascertain the identity of terrorists and then establish the source of their funding. There is a global network of militant organisations operating from the Pakistani territory.’

‘When credible evidence is given to Pakistan, we would expect Pakistan to deliver on their commitment,’ he said, alluding to the blasts in Varanasi in March this year in which the suspects’ connection was traced to militants’ outfits operating from Pakistan.

The Indian government sent a strong message to Pakistan to dismantle terrorist camps that continue to operate on the Pakistani territory and reminded Islamabad of the Jan 6, 2004 joint statement in which Pakistan has committed not to allow its territory to be used for terror activities directed against New Delhi.

‘We would urge Pakistan to take urgent steps to dismantle the infrastructure of terrorism on the territory under its control, act resolutely against groups and individuals who are responsible for terrorist violence and fulfill its solemn commitment enshrined in the India-Pakistan joint statement of Jan 6, 2004,’ the spokesperson said.

‘We are investigating the incident. We will provide the findings to you when they are available,’ Sarna said when asked whether the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan had anything to do with the blasts in Mumbai and Srinagar.

Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz Tuesday condemned the Mumbai explosions.
‘This despicable act of terrorism has resulted in the loss of a large number of precious lives,’ the Pakistani Foreign Office said in a statement.

http://indiaenews.com/2006-07/14618-pakistan-links-terror-attacks-kashmir-issue-india-objects.htm

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Sir,

With all respect if its a '11' attack, the mastermind is AQ and not ISI.
LeT has links with AQ and even an organization called SIMI has been mentioned which exists of homegrown members.

Why are people so eager to blame Pakistan minutes after blasts.
We've seen this before and we'll keep watching this in future.

Yes, you're seeing it but you're not understanding it and frankly, neither does most of the world. Look, when even the Canadian Forces are privately stating that Pakistan is not doing all that much to crush the Taliban; what is at least an unfriendly, if not outright hostile, neighbouring population going to say?

Pakistan have more than their share of aQ and Taliban supporters. One of the reasons why Musharaf needs a body guard. And I understand that he walks a tight rope. But even the Americans were ready to bomb their way to Afghanistan when he initally gave a no-go to both air and land transit.

So, what do you expect from a population who just sufferred the worst terrorism in a decade? A population that Pakistan has fought 4 major wars with and given blankets and hot chocolate to the very people who butchered their women and children?

Frankly, the hatre demonstrated between your two peoples, at least on the internet, is on par with what I've seen in Yugoslavia. It is a testament to both armies who have restrained from wars of genocide.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

OoE, I could be wrong by a longshot but do explain that comment. 7/11? Many Pakistanis work in 711's in America, is that India's basis for a connection?

The Indian connection is the Madrid and London bombings, both on the 11th.

 

[Awesome]

So, what do you expect from a population who just sufferred the worst terrorism in a decade?

Realization that what goes round comes round. There are people who they occupy who suffer this everday in Kashmir. If they are going to blame someone it has to be their own government who started this competition of "who can terrorize whom better".

A population that Pakistan has fought 4 major wars with and given blankets and hot chocolate to the very people who butchered their women and children?

The alternative was to let the Kashmiri women be raped and their children butchered. Pakistan's support to uncontrolled groups would definitely result in them calling the wrong calls at times. But by no means Kashmiris drew first blood.

What's more appalling is that Kashmiris are not considered important, they are being killed at a far greater pace than the Indians (not that I want to see a race here too), but yet their misery is almost unheard of, except for when you see foreign media make documentaries and they all repeat what Pakistan's been saying about India.

 

[Neo]

Yes, you're seeing it but you're not understanding it and frankly, neither does most of the world. Look, when even the Canadian Forces are privately stating that Pakistan is not doing all that much to crush the Taliban; what is at least an unfriendly, if not outright hostile, neighbouring population going to say?

I'd say that we're doing more than we bargained for!
Most of the world doesn't understand the complexity of Pakistan, we have ethnic issues we have to deal with before we can take on AQ in NWFP the way US wants us to.
The local government is pro taliban, PA has no authority in major parts of the territries. Can Pakistan afford a civil war just to satisfy US, Canada or any other country??

Pakistan have more than their share of aQ and Taliban supporters. One of the reasons why Musharaf needs a body guard. And I understand that he walks a tight rope. But even the Americans were ready to bomb their way to Afghanistan when he initally gave a no-go to both air and land transit.

Thats exactly the reason GoP is dealing with AQ on its own term, we know that in long term we'll be left alone to clean the mess! Déje Vu!
What choice do you have when the world's sole super power comes with a major show down of mussles and tells you 'Either you're with us or against us'?
AQ is as much a threat for Pakistan as it is for the rest of the world.
We can't afford to fight it for others on their terms when we have internal issues to solve which are directly linked with it.

t do you expect from a population who just sufferred the worst terrorism in a decade? A population that Pakistan has fought 4 major wars with and given blankets and hot chocolate to the very people who butchered their women and children?

Nothing, GoI's policy towards Pakistan is way to transparent and that is to use any excuse, valid or not, to damage the (soft) image of Pakistan and to push us back into isolation.
Even if a meteorite struck India tomorrow, I'm sure Pakistan would get blamed!

, the hatre demonstrated between your two peoples, at least on the internet, is on par with what I've seen in Yugoslavia. It is a testament to both armies who have restrained from wars of genocide.

I agree with you on this, the hatred goes fay beyond our imagination.
Its simply insane!

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Let me be blunt here.

What did you expect or want from your enemies?

 

[Awesome]

The Indian connection is the Madrid and London bombings, both on the 11th.

Over thinking it? They've pretty much bombed on every other date. But I can see Indians freaking out over it. Indians are world reknowned for their superstitions.

 

[Neo]

Let me be blunt here.

Not sure if the question is addressed to Asim but please allow me to answer.
I appreciate the directness, we can have an honest debate here.

What did you expect or want from your enemies?

You mean India or the USA?
Regardless the public sentiment in Pakistan the US was never considered to be an enemy, on the contrary we've always had high level diplomatic ties with eachother even during the sanctions.
What we want?
Mutual trust and equal treatment as to our counterpart.

India...thats a different story. She outsizes us in each and every field yet always felt intimidated by us.
We parted as enemies not as brothers, found ourselves in different camps during the cold war and have failed big times to solve issues in 58 years of our existance.
India has the desire to be the sole major power in the region, she wants full controll of SA and only country standing in her way is Pakistan and we're growing powerful.

She'll do anything to slow us down.
Thats what I expact from her!

We want a solution for Kashmir and nothing more from her.