"SCO is about to admit India and Pakistan as full members"

[JayAtl]

nvm........

 

[roadrunner]

you didnt post it. it was EjazR unless you're him.

if the UN "Resolution of Assurances" is not a lie and was passed you should have no difficulty in finding a UN link. Or did they forget to include it?

 

[EjazR]

@roadrunner

You tempt me to put you on my ignore list.

It is part of the dispute only because India claims GB was part of Kashmir. This claim is incorrect.

Nagar-Hunza were independent princely states at the time of partition and seperate from kashmir princely state.

I dont know. I can speculate.

You don't know, then don't speculate. The reason is very clear and your own think tanks have clearly stated GB is part of the historic J&K state. This not something to argue over. Pickup any book or the UN maps on the dispute and GB is included. The map that I showed you by the US and used in the UN is not enough proof. The Maps displayed by the Economist is not enough, then nothing will be.


My basic points still stand and you have done nothing to counter them

UN resolutions have become irrelevant because
(1) No other country in the world on a state level including close Pakistani "Allies" refer to UN resolution as a means to resolve the dispute. Almost all, UNANIMOUSLY call for BILATERAL negotiations for the resolution of all issues. There is nothing more powerful than this argument even if Pakistan had NOT violated any UN resoltion.
BUT
(2) Pakistan herself has violated the UN resolutions in numerous ways including assimilating GB as a 5th province.

It might be difficult for you to accept this simple fact, but I hope other Pakistanis are sane enough to realize this. Not to mention that we know what the results will be if we held a plebiscite and it will not be in Pakistan's favor. And neither will we expect Pakistan to faithfully handover its territory if it looses the plebiscite. The resolution that UNCIP adopted before the 1st UN resolution on Kashmir gave assurance to PM of India that AJK would not be recognized, that Pakistan would not be allowed to violate the territorial integrity of the state and that Pakistan would implement Part I and II of the resolution before a choice between India and Pakistan alone would be give. When the assurances were not fulfilled the resolution would not apply.

The conflict on Kashmir is hurting Pakistan not India.

 

[notsuperstitious]

^^^

Not to mention territory given away to China.

Victims of their own propaganda! Only they believe it, but believe it totally!

 

[roadrunner]

@roadrunner

You tempt me to put you on my ignore list.


You don't know, then don't speculate. The reason is very clear and your own think tanks have clearly stated GB is part of the historic J&K state. This not something to argue over. Pickup any book or the UN maps on the dispute and GB is included. The map that I showed you by the US and used in the UN is not enough proof. The Maps displayed by the Economist is not enough, then nothing will be.

you're almost as manipulative and deceitful as the lies you quote on the UN resolutions (re. Resolution on Assurances )

I was not speculating on whether Nagar-Hunza/Northern Areas were a princely state or not.

I KNOW for a fact Nagar-Hunza was a princely state in 1947 and that Kashmir was a seperate princely state.

Nagar-Hunza acceded to Pakistan in 1947 so the Northern Areas acceded to Pakistan in 1947.

 

[PakShah]

@roadrunner

You tempt me to put you on my ignore list.


You don't know, then don't speculate. The reason is very clear and your own think tanks have clearly stated GB is part of the historic J&K state. This not something to argue over. Pickup any book or the UN maps on the dispute and GB is included. The map that I showed you by the US and used in the UN is not enough proof. The Maps displayed by the Economist is not enough, then nothing will be.


My basic points still stand and you have done nothing to counter them

UN resolutions have become irrelevant because
(1) No other country in the world on a state level including close Pakistani "Allies" refer to UN resolution as a means to resolve the dispute. Almost all, UNANIMOUSLY call for BILATERAL negotiations for the resolution of all issues. There is nothing more powerful than this argument even if Pakistan had NOT violated any UN resoltion.
BUT
(2) Pakistan herself has violated the UN resolutions in numerous ways including assimilating GB as a 5th province.

It might be difficult for you to accept this simple fact, but I hope other Pakistanis are sane enough to realize this. Not to mention that we know what the results will be if we held a plebiscite and it will not be in Pakistan's favor. And neither will we expect Pakistan to faithfully handover its territory if it looses the plebiscite. The resolution that UNCIP adopted before the 1st UN resolution on Kashmir gave assurance to PM of India that AJK would not be recognized, that Pakistan would not be allowed to violate the territorial integrity of the state and that Pakistan would implement Part I and II of the resolution before a choice between India and Pakistan alone would be give. When the assurances were not fulfilled the resolution would not apply.

The conflict on Kashmir is hurting Pakistan not India.

Instead of wasting our time, with your lies, show us our "Pakistani think tanks" which says GB is a part of the dispute.
Prove it to me and RR.

The UN resolutions have not become irrelevant, there was no date for it to expire.
I know it is hard for you to understand, because it seems India has only to lose, but thats the reality on the ground.

Thats why India wants LOC, but Pakistan will never accept this, because this is injust.



Your reference to the Resolution on Assurances was proven to be a blatant lie!
You temp us to put you on our ignore list.


EjazR, I proved your article was lying about Xinhua not using Gilgit-Baltistan, but Xinhua did in FACT USE GILGIT-BALTISTAN, and did not give in to Indian pressure. This shows you have been spreading misinformation for a LONG TIME.
Stop running away and accept your mistakes and stupidity!
Accept your sources were wrong.

What makes you think Pakistan is going to accept status quo?


You've already been proven to be lying repeatedly, you should be banned for spreading misinformation.

I'm not going to let you get away with lies on this forum.

 

[PakShah]

@roadrunner

You tempt me to put you on my ignore list.


You don't know, then don't speculate. The reason is very clear and your own think tanks have clearly stated GB is part of the historic J&K state. This not something to argue over. Pickup any book or the UN maps on the dispute and GB is included. The map that I showed you by the US and used in the UN is not enough proof. The Maps displayed by the Economist is not enough, then nothing will be.


My basic points still stand and you have done nothing to counter them

UN resolutions have become irrelevant because
(1) No other country in the world on a state level including close Pakistani "Allies" refer to UN resolution as a means to resolve the dispute. Almost all, UNANIMOUSLY call for BILATERAL negotiations for the resolution of all issues. There is nothing more powerful than this argument even if Pakistan had NOT violated any UN resoltion.
BUT
(2) Pakistan herself has violated the UN resolutions in numerous ways including assimilating GB as a 5th province.

It might be difficult for you to accept this simple fact, but I hope other Pakistanis are sane enough to realize this. Not to mention that we know what the results will be if we held a plebiscite and it will not be in Pakistan's favor. And neither will we expect Pakistan to faithfully handover its territory if it looses the plebiscite. The resolution that UNCIP adopted before the 1st UN resolution on Kashmir gave assurance to PM of India that AJK would not be recognized, that Pakistan would not be allowed to violate the territorial integrity of the state and that Pakistan would implement Part I and II of the resolution before a choice between India and Pakistan alone would be give. When the assurances were not fulfilled the resolution would not apply.

The conflict on Kashmir is hurting Pakistan not India.

Continuing from my last post, it seems you don't know either, do you have any specific texts which says GB is part of the dispute?
You are only speculating from maps and telling us what you want us to hear.
The only reason the maps put GB, is because only India claims those territories. Thats the only reason. Same goes with shaksgam Valley. Seriously, are you trolling, why didn't you answer my comment on Shaksgam Valley? China never accepted the McMohan line and or British Imperialism.
I'm saying this for the second time. Answer me EjazR.
Shaksgam Valley is indeed an integral part of CHINA, but India refuses to accept this!!!
Prove that Shaksgam Valley legally belongs to India. This will indeed be very funny and laughable.
Here is a map:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Kashmir_2007.svg


The only reason GB and Shaksgam Valley is highlighted is because India is claiming it.

 

[rai_kamal]

"IMPORTANT (FUTURE) MEMBER" Pakistan..
What they are going to supply to other member country???

 

[rai_kamal]

"IMPORTANT (FUTURE) MEMBER" PAKISTAN....
wOULD YOU PLZ TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SUPPLY TO MEMBER COUNTRIES ????

 

[PakShah]

"IMPORTANT (FUTURE) MEMBER" Pakistan..
What they are going to supply to other member country???

I'm sorry but I cannot understand your rant? Can you actually type in proper english.
If you talking about what Pakistan has to offer, which has been discussed already if you read the entire thread, Pakistan can offer the Gwadar port to CARs and Russia. This is what will make Pakistan an important member. By Pakistan offering Gwadar to CARs, it will open to CARs to the world.
Is it that hard to understand Pakistan's significance here?

 

[Riseup]

I think peoples stop to speak and first read in this fourm what is SCO and what is its future aspects. by M K Bhadrakumar

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/115304-sco-steps-out-central-asia.html#post1865322

Actually we south Asians are too emotional

 

[wmdisinfo]

Sincarely speaking SCO can never be like nato as SCO wants both Pakistan India and iran to join but reality is if they want to be as effective as NATO then they have to be real and choose either india or pakistan.or if they choose one the other will go for nato membership.its really getting closer to a conflict on a global scale

 

[EjazR]

@Pakshah

ARe you even reading my posts or do you just read roadrunner's post and become satisfied?

Which Pakistani think tank you say?I posted a an entire paragraph from their website here http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...dia-pakistan-full-members-12.html#post1860718

And here is what a Pakistani think tank says, if nothing else works, contact them to explain why they said that northern areas are part of Jammu KAshmir and they might be able to explain it to you.
http://www.ips.org.pk/international-...endations.html
Northern Areas: Historical Facts

Before partition of the sub-Continent, the state of Jammu and Kashmir with a total area of 84471 square miles, was geographically divided into following three big regions:

1. Jammu Province (12,378 sq. miles)
2. Kashmir Province (8,539 sq.)
3. Frontier Province of Ladakh and Gilgit (63,554 sq)

In 1947, a part of the state gained independence and was called Azad Jammu and Kashmir, which has an area of 5,134 square miles. While 29,814 square miles chunk of the Frontier Province of Ladakh and Gilgit after winning freedom came under the administrative control of Pakistan through an agreement. This is the area now called Northern Areas. The rest of the Frontier province i.e. 3,3740 sq. miles area of Ladakh is under Indian occupation . The Northern Areas of Pakistan are source of global attraction for their heights and vast ranges of K-2, Hindukush, Pamir and the Himalayas.
Constitutional Position

* Historically these areas belong to Dogra State of Jammu and Kashmir. On March 29, 1935, the British government took possession of Gilgit Agency from the state government, through a lease agreement for 60 years. The British feared of the Soviet expansionist moves, and therefore wanted to have direct control in the region. During this period the state flag remained hoisted over residency along with the Union Jack. However by August 1, 1947, the areas were returned to the state government , because the British had decided partitioning of the Indian sub-continent.

The Xinhua article called NORTHERN PAKISTAN first, and then under Indian pressure changed that.

@roadrunner
Seeing that you said that my posts are "as the lies you quote on the UN resolutions (re. Resolution on Assurances )", I will take that as a compliment because they are infact not lies. Any good book on UN resolutions and the assurance provided to India by the UNCIP before the first resolution was passed would show so.

And while I will leave you to be happy in the knowledge that northern areas is not part of the disputed region of Jammu Kashmir, please note that the rest of the world does not think so. From Lord Mountbatten who defined the J&K territory as bordering the Soviet republic to Emma Nicholson, the baroness in EU parliament that looks after the Kashmir affairs issue who has defined Gilgit Baltistan region as under Jammu Kashmir sovereignty, to the all weather friend China, all agree on the disputed nature of the territory.

 

[Omar1984]

Bad news. Now India will be working as a spy for NATO/U.S. and will make SCO a bigger failure than SAARC.

SCO should only admit Pakistan and maybe Iran as full new members.

 

[madooxno9]

Lol why you guys are fighting so much about Pakistan getting a place....atleast they got something....let them be happy ....

Lets hope that makes some difference in this region.....which i think will make an impact nearly 0...

Bad news. Now India will be working as a spy for NATO/U.S. and will make SCO a bigger failure than SAARC.

SCO should only admit Pakistan and maybe Iran as full new members.

well do,not think that we will do the same as pakistan has been doing.... Spy sat. for China ...lol..

but last mission of sneak peek ...of copter tail...was unsuccessful.......

anyways, India is really not so much interested in SCO...