"SCO is about to admit India and Pakistan as full members"

[Roybot]

Pakistan afaik wants plebiscite in Kashmir. India does not. anyway this is all offtopic.

Hardly off topic. Things can't be all hunky dory between India and Pakistan when people in Pakistan are calling for ghazwa-e-hind.Jokes aside, I see it quite hard for both India and Pakistan to be in the same camp without resolving this Kashmir issue. Either SCO helps India-Pakistan resolve this issue, or SCO decides who is more important for its designs, India or Pakistan.

 

[Galaxy]

Indian media have carried many reports that UN resolutions are no longer valid which is completely untrue. This is probably why Indians get their facts all wrong about kashmir.

Un resolutions do not disappear. They remain in effect until the dispute is resolved. I've posted links to show they still exist. It's not good to have any permanent member flouting un resolutions.

It's not Indian Media. I am giving Pakistan Media link. There are many such links. lol. This is probably why you get your facts all wrong about kashmir. Un Resolution already removed. Accept or Decline. facts remain same. Who will stop India to become permanent member of UNSC ? All 5 Permanent members China, Russia,U.K., France, U.S. already supported India. + 100 of others countries. Keep in Denial, hardly matters and Kindly, Update your knowledge. you are putting wrong info on board all the time.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan


Kashmir removed from UN list of disputes - Rediff.com India News

Jammu and Kashmir out of United Nations list | Karachi News.Net

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Jammu and Kashmir removed from list of disputes under UN

 

[roadrunner]

why am i always doing your homework for you?

It's not Indian Media. I am giving Pakistan Media link. There are many such links. lol. This is probably why you get your facts all wrong about kashmir. Un Resolution already removed. Accept or Decline. facts remain same. Who will stop India to become permanent member of UNSC ? All 5 Permanent members China, Russia,U.K., France, U.S. already supported India. + 100 of others countries. Keep in Denial, hardly matters and Kindly, Update your knowledge. you are putting wrong info on board all the time.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

KEYWORDS: Inadvertent, Private news channel. This is nothing official

Kashmir removed from UN list of disputes - Rediff.com India News

Rediff is Indian media on drugs.

Jammu and Kashmir out of United Nations list | Karachi News.Net

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Jammu and Kashmir removed from list of disputes under UN

These are all from the same incident. It's an INADVERTENT admission (though probably at India's behest).

The UN resolutions against India are still there. They havent gone anywhere. You can look them up.

 

[drunken-monke]

Pakistan afaik wants plebiscite in Kashmir. India does not. anyway this is all offtopic..

Indian adminstration wants plebiscite in whole Kashmir, (Including Pak Occupied Kashmir) for that Pakistan and India will have to demilitarize the complete zone, for which Pakistan is not agreeing. Plebiscite cann't be only in Indian Kashmir, but it should include Pak occu. Kashmir. OFF topic but essential.

regards

 

[indushek]

The SAARC from the start was a doomed preposition. The people in charge of cooperation, had issues that dominated any talks. India and Pakistan problems when they are brought into the SCO will not dominate the agenda since Russia and China will be there to set the meeting.

Agreed to a certain extent, but even efforts to undermine each other can produce adverse effects about which i am warning both sides to take note of. There is a saying in my mother tongue Telugu which roughly translated is "You can drag the horse to the pond but u can't make it drink".

I know the Russian and Chinese presence will have a sobering effect but these kind of pitfalls should be avoided at all cost for future development.

 

[roadrunner]

Indian adminstration wants plebiscite in whole Kashmir, (Including Pak Occupied Kashmir) for that Pakistan and India will have to demilitarize the complete zone, for which Pakistan is not agreeing. Plebiscite cann't be only in Indian Kashmir, but it should include Pak occu. Kashmir. OFF topic but essential.

regards

what a load of drugged out rubbish.

pakistan wants plebiscite and demilitarization. this was tried before in the 50s by the UNCIP. India did not agree to the demilitarization.

look. WHY do I have to repeat this always when i've mentioned it 100s of times. in fact the old kashmir thread should be stickied.

the point is india still is flaunting UN resolutions.

 

[gubbi]

what a load of drugged out rubbish.

pakistan wants plebiscite and demilitarization. this was tried before in the 50s by the UNCIP. India did not agree to the demilitarization.

look. WHY do I have to repeat this always when i've mentioned it 100s of times. in fact the old kashmir thread should be stickied.

the point is india still is flaunting UN resolutions.

Pakistan set the precedent in this bilateral mess by ignoring resolutions to evict its troops from Kashmir. Again, why did Pakistan precipitate this conflict in the first place by pushing in mujaheedin and invading an independent state in 1947-48?

And then you blame India? Tch tch....

 

[roadrunner]

Pakistan set the precedent in this bilateral mess by ignoring resolutions to evict its troops from Kashmir. Again, why did Pakistan precipitate this conflict in the first place by pushing in mujaheedin and invading an independent state in 1947-48?

And then you blame India? Tch tch....

discussed before. india was asked to reduced its troops to 18,000. it refused to comply, Pakistan agreed to reduce troop numbers to 6000.

Pakistan did not have to evict all its troops from Kashmir. The resolutions are clear. Even if you can't understand basic English, you should use your intelligence and realize that one side would not have zero troops on their side, and the other side would be allowed an army of 100,000 on the other.

UNCIP had placed the blame on India not on Pakistan's side.

 

[Varad]

discussed before. india was asked to reduced its troops to 18,000. it refused to comply, Pakistan agreed to reduce troop numbers to 6000.

Pakistan did not have to evict all its troops from Kashmir. The resolutions are clear. Even if you can't understand basic English, you should use your intelligence and realize that one side would not have zero troops on their side, and the other side would be allowed an army of 100,000 on the other.

UNCIP had placed the blame on India not on Pakistan's side.

All the 27 resolutions on Jammu and Kashmir. . Now prove your point and show where UNCIP blamed India.
Kashmir in the United Nations

 

[gubbi]

discussed before. india was asked to reduced its troops to 18,000. it refused to comply, Pakistan agreed to reduce troop numbers to 6000.

Pakistan did not have to evict all its troops from Kashmir. The resolutions are clear. Even if you can't understand basic English, you should use your intelligence and realize that one side would not have zero troops on their side, and the other side would be allowed an army of 100,000 on the other.

UNCIP had placed the blame on India not on Pakistan's side.

Resolution 47:
A - RESTORATION OF PEACE AND ORDER
The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavors:
a. To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;
b. To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and that therefore they should co-operate in the maintenance of peace and order.

The Government of India should:
a. When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's Resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;
b. Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;
c. When the Indian forces shall have been reduced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:
i.That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the inhabitants of the State;
ii.That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
iii.That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located within their present base area.

Apparently you didnt understand what those resolutions said. They asked Pakistan to withdraw any and all fighters from Kashmir (not reduce its troops) and asked India to station few troops for maintaining law and order.

It was Pakistan which didnt comply. Geez, you should have known better to read properly before posting!!

Again, what was Pakistan thinking by sending armed militia and its army into an independent state in 1947-48?

 

[roadrunner]

All the 27 resolutions on Jammu and Kashmir. . Now prove your point and show where UNCIP blamed India.
Kashmir in the United Nations

UNCIP chief Sir Owen Dixon blamed India for the failure of demilitarization and plebiscite in kashmir:

'In the end I became convinced that India's agreement would never be obtained to demilitarisation in any form or to the provisions governing the period of plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion, permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation and other forms of influence and abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled.'
South Asian Journal

dont know what you mean about 27 resolutions. India, according to the UN resolutions has to hold plebiscite. Instead it has stolen part of Kashmir and made it a "Special" state of India. It's foolish to make any state that flaunts UN resolutions a permanent member of that organization.

 

[roadrunner]

Apparently you didnt understand what those resolutions said. They asked Pakistan to withdraw any and all fighters from Kashmir (not reduce its troops) and asked India to station few troops for maintaining law and order.

It was Pakistan which didnt comply. Geez, you should have known better to read properly before posting!!

Again, what was Pakistan thinking by sending armed militia and its army into an independent state in 1947-48?

the resolution says "When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's Resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces"

Read s.l.o.w.l.y.

-- Tribesmen not regular soldiers.

-- "Are withdrawing" not fully withdrawn.

 

[Varad]

UNCIP chief Sir Owen Dixon blamed India for the failure of demilitarization and plebiscite in kashmir:

'In the end I became convinced that India's agreement would never be obtained to demilitarisation in any form or to the provisions governing the period of plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion, permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation and other forms of influence and abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled.'
South Asian Journal

dont know what you mean about 27 resolutions. India, according to the UN resolutions has to hold plebiscite. Instead it has stolen part of Kashmir and made it a "Special" state of India. It's foolish to make any state that flaunts UN resolutions a permanent member of that organization.

You are taking this statement of Dixon as an accustation on India. The statement is absolutely correct but only since Pakistan failed to withdraw all of its forces and instead tried to negotiate their stay.

"In the end I became convinced that India's agreement would never be obtained to demilitarisation in any form or to the provisions governing the period of plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion, permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation and other forms of influence and abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled.'

Since the plebiscite could not be impartial unless both India and Pakistan withdrew their forces from Kashmir, a stalemate was created. This stalemate has now lasted for more than fifty years"

Here is what the 6th resolution says for plebiscite:-

http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/sc13aug48.htm

Part 2:Truce Section. Para A Section 1.- Explicitly says that in order to conduct a plebiscite in the state of Jammu and Kashmir,Pakistan will be the first party to withdraw its armed forces from the disputed region as it is the aggresor in the 1948 situation.

"As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State."

Now come to Para B Section 1 which says that ONLY WHEN THE COMMISSION WILL NOTIFY INDIA THAT PAKISTAN HAS WITHDRWAN ITS TROOP THEN THE GOI WILL REMOVE THEIR TROOPS AND PLEBISCITE WILL BE CONDUCTED AND A TRUCE SIGNED"

"(1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2 hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission"

And i provided you the 27 resolutions to prove to me if they say anywhere that Pakistan will not remove all of its army.

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

SCO is light years away from challenging mighty NATO,actually it does not want yo challenge NATO as long as US is a member of NATO.

 

[pmukherjee]

Indian media have carried many reports that UN resolutions are no longer valid which is completely untrue. This is probably why Indians get their facts all wrong about kashmir.

Un resolutions do not disappear. They remain in effect until the dispute is resolved. I've posted links to show they still exist. It's not good to have any permanent member flouting un resolutions.

Yeah, you have got that one right, one has to post links to show that they still exist...... in the archives.