Scientific revolution in Iran!

[somebozo]

Majority wins here,how many Theocratic states are showing such high growth in terms of Science?

None..and Iran has the highest brain drain so all the science is not doing them any good.

 

[somebozo]

your arguement makes absolutely no sense
If Iran has a high brain drain, it's because a lot of "brain" is being produced in the country. With the current state of the economy, there is no way that the govt can find jobs for all these "brains." Both my parents had masters degrees when they left Iran. My dad was thinking about getting his PHD in Iran. But they both saw that they can have a better life outside. If things get better in Iran than all these Iranians will start moving back (not that they are needed cuz one thing Iran isn't short in is people with epertise). Even if Iran wasn't replacing the lost brains, which it is, why would progress be nil? LMAO that makes no sense. Who do you think is building all these missiles and sending sattelites to space? American egineers?

Also Turkey has had a decade head start on IRan. Look at the charts and see when Turkey began its ascendency and compare it to Iran. They also have the advantage of being able to cooperate with Western companies while Iran doesn't have this option.

Israel isn't impressive at all. Read what I said above. The country was built from scratch with Western technology. Their people came from the West. For the past 6 decades Western technology has been pouring in. Do you see this in Iran and Turkey?

I think your Saudi Arabian flag is influencing a lot of the things you just spewed out.

Didnt your own president called those brains "rotten" and told the nation not to mourn over them?
While every country tries their max to retain brains and provide opportunities for them, Iran is a strange case when it is left all unaccounted for. What restricts the clerics to get serious and build the industrial base rather engaging in senseless argument of nuclear ambitions? Atleast then Iran can produce an indigenous reactor. Currently with all those brains Iran still needs foreign expertise to run its gas fields.

I would say the game of war between Persians and Arabs is at least a millinieum old and if global political stage is the deciding factor then arabs have all upper hands.


I am trying to make a factual talk and somebody attacks my flags as responsible for my POV..talk about brains!

The direction less regime of iran is gradually digging its own grave!

 

[Abii]

again, you aint making any sense saudi.
Iran needs foreign expertise to develop its gas fields, what does that have to do with anything? So because Iran is developing scientifically it shouldn't have any shortcomings? You're gonna have to work over time over here arab.

Your position is clear, you're anti Iranian and pro arab. That's why the Al Khalifas are importing Pakistanis. For the right money, certain Pakistanis will become more patriotic than Arabs lol.

 

[Cyph3r]

One thing the IRI has done very well, is investing heavily in science and subsidizing schools promoting the sciences.
They have been making leaps in bounds especially in robotics, nanotechnology,stem cell research and the IRI being the responsible force behind it..
Iran continues to make significant progress in science and technology on its own merits despite 30 years of sanctions.

 

[Abii]

One thing the IRI has done very well, is investing heavily in science and subsidizing schools promoting the sciences.
They have been making leaps in bounds especially in robotics, nanotechnology,stem cell research and the IRI being the responsible force behind it..
Iran continues to make significant progress in science and technology on its own merits despite 30 years of sanctions.

regarding stem cell research

 

[somebozo]

again, you aint making any sense saudi.
Iran needs foreign expertise to develop its gas fields, what does that have to do with anything? So because Iran is developing scientifically it shouldn't have any shortcomings? You're gonna have to work over time over here arab.

Your position is clear, you're anti Iranian and pro arab. That's why the Al Khalifas are importing Pakistanis. For the right money, certain Pakistanis will become more patriotic than Arabs lol.

I only wish some people has sense to argue without crossing lines of bigotry. This is exactly the "higher than thou" type mentality which is the driver behind the wedge. What warrants you to call me different labels in attempts of evade hard facts and figures. Iran is still faring better than its arabi neighbors which cant produce a needle but it would be way better off without the ayatollahs and their ideology in power. Iran has indigenious talent reserves of wealth which they are failing to harness..the arabs have to import everything from south asia..and if you are going to curse me for being a pakistan then dont forget that it was arabi pressure under which the indians pulled out of gas deal!

The Al Khalifas are also sheltering lot of Iranians working and earning peacefully in the island nations of gulf while Iran is backing secret revolutions in these lands!

Only time will tell who is going where..currently all indicators on Iran are negative.!

 

[Abii]

I only wish some people has sense to argue without crossing lines of bigotry. This is exactly the "higher than thou" type mentality which is the driver behind the wedge. What warrants you to call me different labels in attempts of evade hard facts and figures. Iran is still faring better than its arabi neighbors which cant produce a needle but it would be way better off without the ayatollahs and their ideology in power. Iran has indigenious talent reserves of wealth which they are failing to harness..the arabs have to import everything from south asia..and if you are going to curse me for being a pakistan then dont forget that it was arabi pressure under which the indians pulled out of gas deal!

The Al Khalifas are also sheltering lot of Iranians working and earning peacefully in the island nations of gulf while Iran is backing secret revolutions in these lands!

Only time will tell who is going where..currently all indicators on Iran are negative.!

I take back the things I said, you're just plain dumb
You're repeating the same bull being fed to you by your saudi masters. HOW IS IRAN BACKING REVS? Last time I checked shia bahrainis lived shitty lives and they were the vast majority of the country. This is while sunni foreigners (arabs, pakistanis etc...) are being given citizenship to join the army and balance out the shia natives. Shias in Bahrain can't even join the army.
You have nothing arab, absolutely nothing. Don't give me this garbage cuz I will wipe the floor with you all day long.

And Iran has the highest scientific growth on earth. This is gonna make our economy boom in the decades to come. Have a good life slaving away for your arab masters.

 

[ephone]

Iran has performed quite well in IMO each year, far better than any Islam countries in the world.

So I do think Iran has such potential.

I hope Iran can find a way to get rid of those mullahs, or at least remove them from any governmental agencies.

After that, Iran can be more hopeful.

Keep underestimating Iran.
Iran is a great nation but the mullahs are dragging Iran down. If you try to get past that you will realize the true potential of Iran. Iran's oil production has been falling for some time due to a lack of investment and new discoveries. Iran also has the second biggest nat gas reserves on the planet and they are virtually untapped. Iran's undiscovered oil fields (the Americans have been busy in the past 32 years applying the latest techs to find new fields in arab countries while in Iran new discoveries have been very limited) plus its extremely large gas fields, combined with the scientific growth can help Iran leap frog in the next couple of decades. If the regime changes and the sanctions are removed, Iran can become one of the top 6 economies on the planet in absolutely no time. Afghanistan, Pakistan etc... will all benefit from this.

 

[Developereo]

there are about 5 million jews living in Israel and about 100k Druze. Rest are Arabs who live off welfare.

Let's not get into the dirty little secret of Israel's domestic ethnic tensions where the Ashkenazi (European) Jews claim credit for Israel's success, while asserting that Sephardic and African Jews contribute almost nothing.

for that you need to bring me proof that the people responsible for this are Iranian mullahs and not Iranian poiliticians
A mullah is educated in seminary school in Qum or Najaf. for him, science is the least important thing on earth.

I am not saying that the mullahs are personally involved in scientific research, but the fact remains that their government has been supportive of scientific research.

Let's face it: if this kind of scientific progress had happened under the Shah, you would be singing his praises.

Majority wins here,how many Theocratic states are showing such high growth in terms of Science?

I am not claiming that theocracy leads to science. I am saying that Iran's case disproves the conventional wisdom that theocracy stifles science.

The fact is that innovation is driven by need and opportunity. Scientific progress requires a supportive government and an enterpreneurial culture -- both of which are unrelated to the question of theocracy or democracy.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The fact is that innovation is driven by need and desperation.

Very true.

Look at the incredible scientific discoveries that were made during the course of WW1 and WW2 for instance.

 

[below_freezing]

Let's not get into the dirty little secret of Israel's domestic ethnic tensions where the Ashkenazi (European) Jews claim credit for Israel's success, while asserting that Sephardic and African Jews contribute almost nothing.



I am not saying that the mullahs are personally involved in scientific research, but the fact remains that their government has been supportive of scientific research.

Let's face it: if this kind of scientific progress had happened under the Shah, you would be singing his praises.



I am not claiming that theocracy leads to science. I am saying that Iran's case disproves the conventional wisdom that theocracy stifles science.

The fact is that innovation is driven by need and opportunity. Scientific progress requires a supportive government and an enterpreneurial culture -- both of which are unrelated to the question of theocracy or democracy.

Very true, Ashkenazi Jews have IQs higher than average and higher than Sephardic and African Jews, which have IQs at or below average. This is likely because Ashkenazi Jews both have higher rates of fatal genetic illnesses and were frequent victims of white racism, leading to a natural selection process over thousands of years for those with the traits (IQ) that allowed them to survive in a white dominated world. In contrast, Africans and Asians are far more tolerant and less racist, therefore exerted no evolutionary pressure on African and Sephardic Jews and allowing their IQs to remain in their "natural state".

 

[Developereo]

Very true, Ashkenazi Jews have IQs higher than average and higher than Sephardic and African Jews, which have IQs at or below average. This is likely because Ashkenazi Jews both have higher rates of fatal genetic illnesses and were frequent victims of white racism, leading to a natural selection process over thousands of years for those with the traits (IQ) that allowed them to survive in a white dominated world. In contrast, Africans and Asians are far more tolerant and less racist, therefore exerted no evolutionary pressure on African and Sephardic Jews and allowing their IQs to remain in their "natural state".

Well, I was merely stating the Ashkenazi claim, not endorsing it.

Even if true, I would be more inclined to attribute it to culture, which is determined primarily by geography, rather than genetics or religion.

 

[500]

Iranian science just like their military indusrty is largely working for PR. For example everyone is talking about stealth fighters. So Iran release their own stealth: 1960-s F-5 with twin tails they also also show a cool plastic model and wonder stealth flying boats. Everyone talks about armed UAV's so they make Karar - some WW2 V2 style rocket with dumb bomb atached to it. S-300 is another hot stuff in news, so they welded together 55 gal drums and show it on parade. Then they show a modified S-200 and claim its just like S-300. Time to time they release more wonder weapons: stealth sumbarine, missile torpedo, super howitzer, flying saucer, mega flack canon and so on...

Of course they have sone real achievements too. Compare to Arab countries their science is well. But overall more PR than the real thing. Iranian claims should be divided by 10.

 

[marshall]

Very true, Ashkenazi Jews have IQs higher than average and higher than Sephardic and African Jews, which have IQs at or below average. This is likely because Ashkenazi Jews both have higher rates of fatal genetic illnesses and were frequent victims of white racism, leading to a natural selection process over thousands of years for those with the traits (IQ) that allowed them to survive in a white dominated world. In contrast, Africans and Asians are far more tolerant and less racist, therefore exerted no evolutionary pressure on African and Sephardic Jews and allowing their IQs to remain in their "natural state".

This is dubious rationale used to explain the supposed superior intelligence of the inordinate number of Nobel Prize winning Jews. If you look at the total scientific output of Israel's 7.4 million population, it does not stand out in per capita terms against other developed countries. What does stand out is the number of Jewish Nobel Prize winners. Why there are so many Jewish Nobel Prize winners is up for debate but it seems highly improbable that this is simply the result of Jewish IQ for 2 main reasons...

1. Israel's per capita scientific output does not stand out from other developed countries
2. Jewish generated science is part of the Western intelligentsia and therefore has more exposure and influence on the Western institution of the Nobel Prize

Those arguing that Jewish contributions are overwhelming in relation to their numbers should note a few facts. First, Jewish scientific contributions appear to be on a long downward slide in comparison to their earlier prominence, especially compared to the early to mid 20th century. I can explain this easily. At that time, Jews were as a group a much more highly educated group in comparison to every other group. Where is my proof for this? This is basically self explanatory by just looking around at the direct relationship between the increasing higher education levels of most populations around the world and the corresponding decrease in relative scientific prominence of Jews worldwide. It is not that the Jewish have experienced declining scientific capability but that their relative prominence is diminishing with the comparative increasing prominence of other groups. This phenomenon is beginning to reflect in awarded Nobel Prizes but the effect is less pronounced than their relative scientific output because as I already pointed out, the Jews and Israel are part of the Western intelligentsia and with this they gain more exposure and prominence by default simply because the Nobel Prizes are largely a reflection of Westerners own greater exposure to their own scientific communities vs say the Iranian or Chinese scientific establishments.

This is why I believe the number of citations of science research papers, although useful, is a largely flawed measure of scientific quality. It works on the same premise as how Nobel Prizes are awarded, which is based on how much exposure to the Nobel committee there is which is heavily dependent on the Western intelligentsia, the language of the papers, etc. In my opinion, Iran's scientific progress is probably understated because for Iranian science to be recognized, it needs to overcome the vastly greater exposure of those within the Western intelligentsia who dominate such discourse.

 

[Abii]

Iranian science just like their military indusrty is largely working for PR. For example everyone is talking about stealth fighters. So Iran release their own stealth: 1960-s F-5 with twin tails they also also show a cool plastic model and wonder stealth flying boats. Everyone talks about armed UAV's so they make Karar - some WW2 V2 style rocket with dumb bomb atached to it. S-300 is another hot stuff in news, so they welded together 55 gal drums and show it on parade. Then they show a modified S-200 and claim its just like S-300. Time to time they release more wonder weapons: stealth sumbarine, missile torpedo, super howitzer, flying saucer, mega flack canon and so on...

Of course they have sone real achievements too. Compare to Arab countries their science is well. But overall more PR than the real thing. Iranian claims should be divided by 10.

I had no idea scientific-Matrix and Science-Watch were Iranian organizations lmao

quit making a fool of yourself