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Scientific revolution in Iran!

Beside quantity there is also quality factor. So far 80% of Iran's export is still crude oil.

lmao
wtf does exports have to do with this thread?
And of course most exports are oil. we already had this discussion. Iranian goods and business aren't welcome in Western and pro Western countries. There is also the sanction issue and a lack of foreign investment plus a lack tech transfer from the developed countries to Iran.

Japan, SKorea, Germany, Israel etc... all built up their country through tech transfer from the developed world. We don't have any of this in Iran.

The point here is that the future for IRan is good as scientific growth is rapid and definate. Soon our scientific output will be multiple times higher than Israel. Both Iran and Turkey are already ahead of Israel. Another decade and Israel will be left in the dust.

Edit: quality is good don't worry
Iran's most research is done in engineering and according to the chairman of Stanford (electrical engineering department), Iran has the best engineering university on the planet.
 
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I don't doubt our abilities, the mullahs though have a different vision for Iran. They don't give a ratz azz about science and prosperity, only Islam. We're no where near our full potential. We should be a top 5 economy right now but...

I never understand that Abii...can you explain that how Iranian regime is a hurdle in Iran's scientific advancement? Do they not allow you to build modern universities? Do they say that just get so-called "Islamic" education and don't get "western education" of kufaar? Exactly how regime is a problem for Iran?

May be you are referring to sanctions imposed by West due to the regime as the main problem in Iran's advancement..right?:undecided:
 
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lmao
wtf does exports have to do with this thread?
Because thats the real thing.

The point here is that the future for IRan is good as scientific growth is rapid and definate. Soon our scientific output will be multiple times higher than Israel. Both Iran and Turkey are already ahead of Israel. Another decade and Israel will be left in the dust.

Exports:
Israel: $ 54,310,000,000 2010 est.
Iran: $ 78,690,000,000 2010 est
Turkey $ 117,400,000,000 2010 est.

Exports per capita:
Israel: $7270
Iran: $1010
Turkey: $1490

Exports per capita minus crude oil:
Israel: $7270
Iran: $202
Turkey: $1490

As u can see Iran is middle age country even compare to Turkey. Very long way to go.
 
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Do you think all these scientific achievements are due to the mullahs or nationalist individuals within the ruling elite? Not everybody in the Islamic Republic has the same vision as the bearded baboons rulling the country. My hope is to one day work as a politician in Iran, even if this regime is still in power. Yet I don't support the regime and I don't even consider myself Muslim. Many proud Iranians within the establishment gladly grow a beard and act the part so that they can help the country. The people of Iran are ultimately responsible for the good things happening in Iran. If you think about it, the shah and his father created the spine of modern Iran. They were the ones that destroyed feaudalism/tribalism and modernized the country. The infrastructure was more or less built by the shah. The mullahs did absolutely NOTHING until the mid 90s. Even baboons like Nejad don't agree with the mullahs.

Obviously it's the people of Iran who have been sucessful for the nation but had it not been for the Religious Clerics who have funded heavily in educational schemes(part of the religion - jafari fiqh) and God's will Iran wouldn't have emerged so victorious under the sanctions. Care to enlighten me what other problems A'jad has with the clerics? His only qualm with the Clerics that i know off is the corruption within some of them and being a true leader of the people has had the balls to highlight this problem.
 
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Do you think all these scientific achievements are due to the mullahs or nationalist individuals within the ruling elite? Not everybody in the Islamic Republic has the same vision as the bearded baboons rulling the country. My hope is to one day work as a politician in Iran, even if this regime is still in power. Yet I don't support the regime and I don't even consider myself Muslim. Many proud Iranians within the establishment gladly grow a beard and act the part so that they can help the country. The people of Iran are ultimately responsible for the good things happening in Iran. If you think about it, the shah and his father created the spine of modern Iran. They were the ones that destroyed feaudalism/tribalism and modernized the country. The infrastructure was more or less built by the shah. The mullahs did absolutely NOTHING until the mid 90s. Even baboons like Nejad don't agree with the mullahs.

your not fooling many ppl here.

most iranians in iran are religious conservative moslims.they love IRI.

how else has the IRI stayed in power?
 
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well I'm using western sources such as scientific-matrix and science watch. Plus most of the papers Iran produces are sent to Western journals and are peer reviewed by American and European scientists. There is nothing to dispute. Very soon Iran and Turkey will double Israel's output. Iran's growth is 11 times the world average so...

Combine population of 140 million and you piss contest with tiny 7.5mil Israel :D how pathetic
 
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:tup:keep it up iran, hopefully though science people will see that religion is total batshit
 
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January 2011 / Andrew Plume

A rebirth of science in Islamic countries?

The Islamic Golden Age a period that spanned the 7th to the 13th centuries A.D. saw a flourishing of scholarship in the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates, which at their greatest extent stretched across North Africa and the Middle East. Contrary to traditional views of Islamic science in this era as a mere preserver of ancient knowledge from Greek and Roman sources, the Golden Age is now understood by scholars to have laid the foundations of modern science hundreds of years before the Scientific Revolution that began in Europe in the 16th century. The Islamic Golden Age produced important empirical discoveries in optics, astronomy, chemistry, mathematics (including the invention of algebra) and medicine and Muslim doctors even invented a form of medical peer review, in which visiting physicians filed their patient case notes with a panel of local doctors, who then reviewed the standard of care.

Shifting sands: Reawakening a scholarly tradition

The Golden Age eventually ended as a result of instability brought about by the Crusades from the West and Mongol invasions from the East. After centuries in the doldrums, is it now possible that a new wind has begun to blow in favor of Islamic science (that is, scientific research originating from the Islamic world; see below)?

The map of the Islamic world has shifted since the days of the Caliphs. Since 1969, the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) has represented the interests of self-identifying Muslim nations of the world. Membership currently stands at 57 countries, and for the purposes of this article these will be considered as defining the modern Islamic world.

In the Golden Age, Baghdad was the political capital and seat of learning of the Abbasid Caliphate. At its intellectual heart was the House of Wisdom. This library and translation institute was destroyed in the Mongol sacking of Baghdad in 1238, during which priceless manuscripts were thrown into the River Tigris in such quantities that the waters were said to have run black with the ink from their pages.

Today, Baghdad remains the center of scientific production in Iraq, with the University of Baghdad accounting for almost 20% of the 1,281 articles produced in Iraq in the period 200408. However, todays premier knowledge-producing institute across all OIC countries is the University of Tehran in Iran, with well over 1,500 articles published in the journal literature covered in Scopus. Although only inaugurated in 1934, the University of Tehran draws on a tradition of higher education stretching back over many centuries.

Iranian science in focus

Of all of the OIC countries, Iran best exemplifies the renewed spirit of scientific enquiry (as previously featured in Research Trends in December 2009). Indeed, measures of both input and output into the research system are showing very positive trends: Gross Expenditure on Research and Development (GERD) rose from 0.55% to 0.67% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) between 2001 and 2006, ranking it among the strongest performers in the OIC on this statistic in recent years (see Table 1).

Country Year GERD as a percentage of GDP
Tunisia 2005 1.02
Turkey 2007 0.72
Pakistan 2007 0.67
Iran 2006 0.67
Morocco 2006 0.64
Malaysia 2006 0.64
Mozambique 2006 0.53
Uganda 2007 0.39
Sudan 2005 0.29
Kyrgyzstan 2007 0.23
Egypt 2007 0.23
Kazakhstan 2008 0.22
Azerbaijan 2007 0.17
Burkina Faso 2007 0.11
Senegal 2005 0.09
Kuwait 2007 0.09
Algeria 2005 0.07
Tajikistan 2007 0.06
Indonesia 2005 0.05
Saudi Arabia 2007 0.05

Table 1 GERD as a percentage of GDP for selected OIC countries in most recent year for which data are available. Source: UNESCO Institute of Statistics, Science & Technology Reports.

In terms of output, Iran has progressed from a low base of publications in the international journal literature of just 5,034 in 1996 to 20,244 in 2008. This 18-fold relative increase outstrips that of any other country in the OIC (see Figure 1). Moreover, Iran has matched this increase in output with an increase in field-weighted citation impact over the same period, as have several other OIC member states (see Figure 2).
RT21_Section3_Figure1.jpg

So Iran is well ahead of Pakistan.....
 
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You know Abii, if you want to be proud of Iranian people, by all means be proud of them. Nobody denies that they are smart, i mean using Arabs as pawns in a chess game with Israel does require a bit of intelligence...
You keep trying to belittle Israel`s brilliance but the fact is that there are about 5 million jews living in Israel and about 100k Druze. Rest are Arabs who live off welfare.
I`d be more impressed if Iran didn`t have 14 times the population than in Israel, call me when you have 200k Papers published just from Iran, then i`ll be impressed. And stop trying to belittle Israel, you only belittle yourself.
 
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You know Abii, if you want to be proud of Iranian people, by all means be proud of them. Nobody denies that they are smart, i mean using Arabs as pawns in a chess game with Israel does require a bit of intelligence...
You keep trying to belittle Israel`s brilliance but the fact is that there are about 5 million jews living in Israel and about 100k Druze. Rest are Arabs who live off welfare.
I`d be more impressed if Iran didn`t have 14 times the population than in Israel, call me when you have 200k Papers published just from Iran, then i`ll be impressed. And stop trying to belittle Israel, you only belittle yourself.

listen, the life of Iran and Israel during the last century differed by night and day. While we were battling colonialism and slavery, you were getting ALL SORTS OF technology from the West. Your country was built from scratch with western technology. You had decades of head start on Iran. After the revolution we had to endure a decade long invasion from the entire planet (Iraq, arab world, western world) which cost the economy trillions and also cost a million lives and millions more were injured. Iran only really began rebuilding 16 years ago. Everything we have has been made pretty much over the last 16 years. Now we also have to fight 4 rounds of sanctions.

We have to make even medical equipment that could be bought from other countries ourselves. That takes time, money and resources. Now multiply this in every area. You on the other hand can get every technology imaginable in a matter of days and weeks.
Anyways, growth at 11 times the world average means we will match European countries sooner or later.
 
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Iran also has one of the highest brain drain..while Persians are traditionally smart and intelligent they are leaving their cleric ruled homeland at first sight to earn recognition elsewhere..So any positive affect towards improvement of indigenous scientific base are nil. Which is evident by the status of high tech industry in Iran. Recently i visited a middle east industrial show which was heavily dominated by Turkey, Iran and Central Asian countries however Iran has the least interesting of anything to show while Turkey stealing the event with a show of its high tech might.


Whats more intresting is the scientefic output of arab countries which remains flat for the entire chart with egypt fairing marginally better..

Israel alone with marginal population and engaged in eternal proxy warfare remains regional scientific heavy weight.
 
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Iran also has one of the highest brain drain..while Persians are traditionally smart and intelligent they are leaving their cleric ruled homeland at first sight to earn recognition elsewhere..So any positive affect towards improvement of indigenous scientific base are nil. Which is evident by the status of high tech industry in Iran. Recently i visited a middle east industrial show which was heavily dominated by Turkey, Iran and Central Asian countries however Iran has the least interesting of anything to show while Turkey stealing the event with a show of its high tech might.

Whats more intresting is the scientefic output of arab countries which remains flat for the entire chart with egypt fairing marginally better..

Israel alone with marginal population and engaged in eternal proxy warfare remains regional scientific heavy weight.


your arguement makes absolutely no sense
If Iran has a high brain drain, it's because a lot of "brain" is being produced in the country. With the current state of the economy, there is no way that the govt can find jobs for all these "brains." Both my parents had masters degrees when they left Iran. My dad was thinking about getting his PHD in Iran. But they both saw that they can have a better life outside. If things get better in Iran than all these Iranians will start moving back (not that they are needed cuz one thing Iran isn't short in is people with epertise). Even if Iran wasn't replacing the lost brains, which it is, why would progress be nil? LMAO that makes no sense. Who do you think is building all these missiles and sending sattelites to space? American egineers?

Also Turkey has had a decade head start on IRan. Look at the charts and see when Turkey began its ascendency and compare it to Iran. They also have the advantage of being able to cooperate with Western companies while Iran doesn't have this option.

Israel isn't impressive at all. Read what I said above. The country was built from scratch with Western technology. Their people came from the West. For the past 6 decades Western technology has been pouring in. Do you see this in Iran and Turkey?

I think your Saudi Arabian flag is influencing a lot of the things you just spewed out.
 
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To play devil's advocate here, the exact same statistics can be used to argue that science can thrive under a theocracy.

for that you need to bring me proof that the people responsible for this are Iranian mullahs and not Iranian poiliticians ;)
A mullah is educated in seminary school in Qum or Najaf. for him, science is the least important thing on earth.
 
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