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SC rejects plea seeking probe of cipher at centre of Imran’s ‘foreign conspiracy’ claims

And as the verdict shows, it would be. And that is why the petition was denied. And the petitioner's lawyers have not appealed it thus far.

This should be enough for rationalists. After all, it is only cultists that would persist in denying evidentiary facts to maintain their false beliefs in their infallible leader. :lol:
Yawn 🥱.

You are trying to open a tangent. Original question was whether this overreached onto executive authority. As faez Isa said when he rejected to see the matter. as I recall you believed that his legal opinion had validity and that judges could no read the cipher. Clv.
 
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Yup and rationalists reading our back and forth will clearly see how defensible that was.

Of course. They are entitled to evaluate the evidence and form their opinions accordingly. Reality is reality. I have no problem with that at all.
 
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If you are suggesting that the judges are unfit for office, then please start the process defined to remove them from the court. Please go right ahead.






BWAHAHA!

I did not make that claim. The SC provided that as the justification for throwing out the petition before it. Good enough for me.

YOU are the one disagreeing with the rationale of the SC. YOU have to prove WHY. Not me. :D
I thought you’d questioned whether or not PTI gov started an investigation. The answer is right there to that ‘important’ question.

Good deflection! :)
 
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I thought you’d questioned whether or not PTI gov started an investigation. The answer is right there to that ‘important’ question.

Good deflection! :)

What deflection? The record is perfectly clear: IK did initiate the process for an investigation into his clams about the cipher, and when Gen Tariq recused himself, instead of finding another suitable person to head it, he chose to drop the matter entirely, until this petition, also thrown out for lack of merit. Typical IK story, all boastful claims, pathetic or even no follow through.
 
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What deflection? The record is perfectly clear: IK did initiate the process for an investigation into his clams about the cipher, and when Gen Tariq recused himself, instead of finding another suitable person to head it, he chose to drop the matter entirely, until this petition, also thrown out for lack of merit. Typical IK story, all boastful claims, pathetic or even no follow through.
Are you being deliberately obtuse here?

Did you see the date on the news report? Go back, check it again. Then check the timeline of VONC events. Why are you asking for information to be spoonfed to you, do you not know it already? The only thing typical in this instance is just this sheer ignorance at display. Pity, that people have to resort to such deflection in order to make non-existing points.
 
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Are you being deliberately obtuse here?

Did you see the date on the news report? Go back, check it again. Then check the timeline of VONC events. Why are you asking for information to be spoonfed to you, do you not know it already? The only thing typical in this instance is just this sheer ignorance at display. Pity, that people have to resort to such deflection in order to make non-existing points.

So am I supposed to give credit to IK for being tardy in waiting for only the last few days before moving on this issue? Even then, the facts that I mentioned above remain absolutely correct.

The only thing here is the cultish obstinacy of IK's followers in seeing reality. No problem, reality is something no one can resist or deny for long.
 
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So am I supposed to give credit to IK for being tardy in waiting for only the last few days before moving on this issue? Even then, the facts that I mentioned above remain absolutely correct.

The only thing here is the cultish obstinacy of IK's followers in seeing reality. No problem, reality is something no one can resist or deny for long.
Last few days? Please continue deflection, the only thing you are displaying is a complete lack of ethics. Which is not surprising at all, given your allegiance. I hope it serves you well in this life and the next.
 
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Last few days? Please continue deflection, the only thing you are displaying is a complete lack of ethics. Which is not surprising at all, given your allegiance. I hope it serves you well in this life and the next.

What deflection? My posts have remained perfectly factual, and ethical. Now can you please move from your whataboutery to the topic of the thread.
 
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SC rejects plea seeking probe of cipher at centre of Imran’s ‘foreign conspiracy’ claims

Haseeb Bhatti Published February 22, 2023 Updated about an hour ago




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The Supreme Court on Wednesday rejected all three pleas seeking an investigation into a cipher — presented by PTI Chairman Imran Khan in March 2022 as evidence of a “foreign conspiracy” to oust him.
Justice Qazi Faez Isa pronounced the verdict today after conducting an in-chamber hearing on pleas filed by Advocate Zulfiqar Ahmed Bhutta, Syed Tariq Badar and Advocate Naeemul Hasan last year.
The petitions had sought the constitution of a “high-powered commission” to probe the alleged “foreign conspiracy” that Imran claimed was hatched to topple his government.
They had named the Federation of Pakistan through the law and justice secretary, the prime minister, and the cabinet secretary as respondents in the case.
However, the applications had been returned earlier over objections by the Registrar’s Office. Subsequently, the petitioner filed fresh pleas in the court against these objections.
It is a common practice of the court office to sometimes return petitions by raising objections like questioning why the petitioner has approached the apex court directly without exhausting other available forums first. Such rejections are usually challenged by the petitioners and are taken up by a judge in his chamber as nominated by the chief justice.
Earlier, Justice Sardar Tariq Masood recused himself from a hearing scheduled for Jan 24 and had sent the pleas back to the top judge.

The hearing​

At the outset of today’s hearing, Justice Isa asked: “Is dealing with foreign affairs the job of the court? Did Imran Khan make any decision to investigate the matter as the prime minister?”
He added: “Imran Khan had all the powers to have an investigation conducted. All authorities are under the prime minister.”
He asked: “What should the court do in the cipher’s matter?”
When the petitioner’s counsel termed the investigations a “matter of fundamental rights”, Justice Isa asked: “What impact did the cipher have on your or my life? There is no matter of fundamental rights in this case.”
He further said: “Do you want that the entire world’s ciphers are sent to the Supreme Court instead of the foreign ministry? If there is any attack in the future, would the Supreme Court announce war?”
At one point during the hearing, Justice Isa said if the government wants, it can make public the ciphers, but if anyone else does it, it would be a violation of the [Officials] Secret Act.
He further remarked: “If the prime minister wants, he can use his authority to end relations with the world.”
Justice Isa said, “If someone is not even eligible to become the prime minister, there is a remedy for this as well. Whoever’s job it is, let them do it. The judiciary cannot interfere in the executive’s matters.”
Upon the petitioner’s lawyer saying that the “court has to see who is doing what”, the judge said that “elders have forbidden me from seeing anything”.

Cablegate​

The controversy surrounding the no-confidence motion against Imran took a dramatic turn when the embattled former premier brandished a letter at a rally on March 27 — days before his ouster — claiming it contained evidence of a “foreign conspiracy” hatched to topple his government.
Imran had kept mum about the contents of the letter when he first unveiled it but he spilled the beans days later by naming the United States when the exit of his government appeared imminent.
Imran’s allegation that the US spearheaded his exit from power was based on a cipher received from Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US Asad Majeed, in which the envoy had reported about a meeting with Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Affairs Donald Lu.
Majeed had reportedly said that Donald Lu warned that Imran Khan’s continuation in office, who was set to face a vote of no confidence, would have repercussions on bilateral relations.
The US was said to be annoyed with Imran over his “independent foreign policy” and visit to Moscow.
The Pentagon and the State Department have repeatedly rejected the accusations, saying there was no veracity to them.
The National Security Committee (NSC), which includes all services chiefs as well as the head of Pakistan’s top intelligence agency, took up the matter on March 31 with then-premier Imran in the chair. The forum decided to issue a “strong demarche” to a country that it did not name over what it termed as “blatant interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan”.
It had also termed the interference “unacceptable under any circumstances” and said the language used in the communique was undiplomatic.
While the forum had stopped short of calling the interference a conspiracy at the time, another meeting of the NSC was held on April 22 with newly elected premier Shehbaz Sharif in the chair, and which included the same military chiefs who attended the March 31 session.
During its second meeting, the NSC statement said it “reaffirmed the decisions of the last NSC meeting” and explicitly went on to add that it found no evidence of a foreign conspiracy.

Funny what was said in Feb 2020 and now:

Despite bail order, Imran Khan remains in jail over ‘cypher case’​

The case is related to a diplomatic document that allegedly went missing while in the former prime minister’s possession.

By Abid Hussain | Published On 29 Aug 2023

Former Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan received some rare good news on the legal front when the Islamabad High Court suspended his three-year prison sentence in a corruption case and ordered his release on bail.

But his joy was short-lived on Tuesday as a special court in Islamabad ordered him to remain in custody in a connection with the “cypher case” and instructed authorities to present him before the court on Wednesday.

The cypher case is related to a diplomatic document that allegedly went missing when it was in the former leader’s possession.

Khan, 70, was convicted on August 5 by a trial court for not declaring the assets he made from selling gifts he received from foreign governments and leaders during his premiership from 2018 to 2022.

Last year, a no-confidence vote in parliament removed him from office. Since then, Khan has repeatedly alleged that the cypher, or diplomatic cable, contains proof there was a United States-led conspiracy with Pakistan’s powerful military to oust him.

The US has repeatedly denied any such involvement, as has Pakistan’s military.

After his sentencing early this month, Pakistan’s Election Commission declared Khan ineligible to contest elections for at least five years. Despite Tuesday’s decision by a two-member bench of the Islamabad High Court, the disqualification still stands, according to some legal experts.

“It is important to remember that only the sentence has been suspended, not the actual conviction,” lawyer Mirza Moiz Baig told Al Jazeera following the court’s order.

“Given that the Pakistani Constitution bars a convict from contesting elections, Khan continues to remain disqualified from electoral politics,” Baig said, adding that he also remains ineligible to lead his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party.

‘No evidence’​

The Federal Investigation Agency registered a case against Khan and his close aides for allegedly sharing information on the “cypher” cable and violating the recently established Official Secrets Act.

The purported document was published by The Intercept, which has said the source of the secret cable was a military official and not Khan’s PTI party.

Khan has said the document is no longer in his possession and he has no knowledge of its whereabouts.

Sayed Zulfiqar Bukhari, spokesman for the PTI, applauded the Islamabad High Court’s decision to suspend Khan’s sentence and said the party’s top priority is to bring its leader back home.

But after the special court order to keep the former prime minister in detention, Bukhari expressed his displeasure.

“It is absurd that the Official Secrets Act is being forced without any legal standing whatsoever. Are laws & draconian amendments in this country to target just one person/party? Or is there any use of law for the people?” he wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter.


Intazar Hussain Panjutha, a member of the PTI’s legal team representing Khan, also questioned Khan’s continued imprisonment and said “no plausible” reason could justify it.

“There is no evidence against him. This sentence should have been suspended right at the start of our appeal, and there was no need for wasting so much time as it was not the final decision,” he told Al Jazeera.

The lawyer was also critical of the order by the special court to keep Khan in detention.

“This is an illegal order and, most importantly, a very suspicious one as there is no date mentioned anywhere and it cannot be determined when this was passed. It must be in black and white and clearly reflect when this passed. We will challenge this as it is against the law,” Panjutha said.

The legality of the Official Secrets Act, under which the cypher case is being heard, was called into question this month when President Arif Alvi, himself a member of the PTI, declared he had never signed the amended laws.

The amendments, which give authorities more power to prosecute people for acts committed against the state and military, were presented to Alvi by the outgoing parliament. But the president on August 20 said he had never signed off on them.

According to Pakistan’s Constitution, if the president does not sign a draft bill or return it with his observations or objections within 10 days after it passes both houses of parliament, it becomes law.

Constitutional expert Reza Ali disputed the position taken by PTI officials and said the president’s statement on social media is not enough to keep the changes from going into effect and the party must go to court to appeal.

“Unless the notification issued by the government is challenged in a court of law, despite its defective nature, it remains in the field. The statement by the PTI is inaccurate,” Ali, a Lahore-based lawyer, said.

“Since the court did not set aside the amendments, it remains valid. Posting messages on Twitter does not invalidate it, and if the PTI believes so strongly, a petition should be filed in the court.”

 
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questioning why the petitioner has approached the apex court directly without exhausting other available forums first.
This aspect of Pakistan Supreme court has puzzled me to no end. If one's neighbor's dog does its business on your lawn, Pakistanis petition the supreme court for redress. Strangely, sometimes the supreme court itself takes suo motu notice of why a dog from house #20 dirtied the lawn of house #21.
 
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