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It was just a proposal drafted by someone, it doesn't mean there are any plans to carry it out.

Saudis have been notorious for destroying historic sites, ISIS is another of their freemasons of destruction, the alarming thing is brain-dead response from arabs, to even such a suggestion by saudi stooge !
 
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I really hope Masjid e Haram becomes as big and spacious as Masjid e Nabvi is- and the expansions to finish soon-
 
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@Zarvan, dude, we knew this for sometime now - didn't you know? Now do you understand what the Salafists (Wahabi's) are? They are the same people who've infiltrated the Deobandiz of Indo-Pak @ the roots as well!

We will both be on this forum for some time to come, one day you'll find out the true evil nature of these people. Best thing for you would be to shun their evil ways and pray for forgiveness from Allah SWT, before it's too late for you.

One of Islam’s most revered holy sites – the tomb of the Prophet Mohamed – could be destroyed and his body removed to an anonymous grave under plans which threaten to spark discord across the Muslim world.

The controversial proposals are part of a consultation document by a leading Saudi academic which has been circulated among the supervisors of al-Masjid al-Nabawi mosque in Medina, where the remains of the Prophet are housed under the Green Dome, visited by millions of pilgrims and venerated as Islam’s second-holiest site. The formal custodian of the mosque is Saudi Arabia’s ageing monarch King Abdullah.

The plans, brought to light by another Saudi academic who has exposed and criticised the destruction of holy places and artefacts in Mecca – the holiest site in the Muslim world – call for the destruction of chambers around the Prophet’s grave which are particularly venerated by Shia Muslims.

The 61-page document also calls for the removal of Mohamed’s remains to the nearby al-Baqi cemetery, where they would be interred anonymously.

There is no suggestion that any decision has been taken to act upon the plans. The Saudi government has in the past insisted that it treats any changes to Islam’s holiest sites with “the utmost seriousness”.

READ MORE: ATTACK ON MOHAMED'S TOMB COULD STIR UP SECTARIAN HATRED
But such is the importance of the mosque to both Sunni and Shia Muslims that Dr Irfan al-Alawi warned that any attempt to carry out the work could spark unrest. It also runs the risk of inflaming sectarian tensions between the two branches of Islam, already running perilously high due to the conflicts in Syria and Iraq.

Hardline Saudi clerics have long preached that the country’s strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam – an offshoot of the Sunni tradition – prohibits the worship of any object or “saint”, a practice considered “shirq” or idolatrous.

Dr Alawi, director of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation, told The Independent: “People visit the chambers, which are the rooms where the Prophet’s family lived, and turn towards the burial chamber to pray.

“Now they want to prevent pilgrims from attending and venerating the tomb because they believe this is shirq, or idolatry. But the only way they can stop people visiting the Prophet is to get him out and into the cemetery.”

For centuries Muslim pilgrims have made their way to Mecca in order to visit the Kaaba – a black granite cubed building said to be built by Abraham, around which al-Masjid al-Haram, or the Grand Mosque, is built, and towards which every Muslim faces when they pray.

This pilgrimage, or hajj, is a religious duty that has to be carried out at least once in a lifetime.

Many go on to make their way to the nearby city of Medina to pay their respects at the Prophet’s tomb.

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Muslims waiting to pray at the tomb of the Prophet at al-Masjid al-Nabawi in Medina (Reuters)

Al-Nabawi mosque around the tomb has been expanded by generations of Arabian rulers, particularly the Ottomans. It includes hand-painted calligraphy documenting details of the Prophet’s life and his family. Dr Alawi said the plans also call for these to be destroyed as well as the Green Dome which covers the Prophet’s tomb.

The Prophet is venerated by both branches of Islam, Sunni and Shia. The strict Wahhabi sect is a branch of the Sunni faith, however, and removing the Prophet could further inflame tensions between the two groups .

The current crisis in Iraq has been blamed on the Shia former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s sectarianism, which alienated the Sunni, leading to the uprising. Isis, also known as Islamic State, which holds swathes of Iraq and Syria, and which murdered the American journalist James Foley, is a Sunni organisation.

Mainstream Sunni Muslims would be just as aghast at any desecration of the tomb as the Shia, Dr Alawi said.

The Independent has previously revealed how the multibillion-pound expansion of the Grand Mosque has, according to the Washington-based Gulf Institute, led to the destruction of up to 95 per cent of Mecca’s millennium-old buildings. They have been replaced with luxury hotels, apartments and shopping malls.

King Abdullah has appointed the prominent Wahhabi cleric and imam of the Grand Mosque, Abdul Rahman al-Sudais, to oversee the expansion project – necessary to cope with the huge number of pilgrims who now visit each year.

Dr Alawi says the consultation document for the al-Nabawi mosque in Medina, by the leading Saudi academic Dr Ali bin Abdulaziz al-Shabal of Imam Muhammad ibn Saud Islamic University in Riyadh, has been circulated to the Committee of the Presidency of the Two Mosques.

Several pages of the consultation document have just been published in the presidency’s journal. They call for the destruction of the rooms surrounding the tomb – used by the Prophet’s wives and daughters, and venerated by the Shia because of their association with his youngest daughter, Fatima.

The document also calls for the Green Dome, which covers the tomb and these living quarters, to be removed, and the ultimate removal of the Prophet’s body to a nearby cemetery.

The al-Baqi cemetery already contains the bodies of many of the Prophet’s family, including his father who was removed there in the 1970s, Dr Alawi said. In 1924 all the grave markers were removed, so pilgrims would not know who was buried there, and so be unable to pray to them.

“The Prophet would be anonymous,” Dr Alawi added. “Everything around the Prophet’s mosque has already been destroyed. It is surrounded by bulldozers. Once they’ve removed everything they can move towards the mosque. The imam is likely to say there is a need to expand the mosque and do it that way, while the world’s eyes are on Iraq and Syria. The Prophet Mohamed’s grave is venerated by the mainstream Sunni, who would never do it. It is just as important for the Shia too, who venerate the Prophet’s daughter, Fatima.

“I’m sure there will be shock across the Muslim world at these revelations. It will cause outrage.”

The Independent was unable to contact the Saudi Arabian embassy, but it said in a statement last year: “The development of the Holy Mosque of Makkah al-Mukarramah [Mecca] is an extremely important subject and one which the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, in its capacity as custodian of the two holy mosques, takes with the utmost seriousness. This role is at the heart of the principles upon which Saudi Arabia is founded.”
Saudis risk new Muslim division with proposal to move Mohamed’s tomb - Middle East - World - The Independent
If Saudi leadership is thinking do this they need to be stopped at every cost it will create fire in all Muslim world
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Saudis have been notorious for destroying historic sites, ISIS is another of their freemasons of destruction, the alarming thing is brain-dead response from arabs, to even such a suggestion by saudi stooge !

Yes, tomb crawlers like you and idol worshippers are really sad for that reason because we removed areas of little worth due to the need for expanding (accommodating pilgrims - biggest goal with umrah and hajj) IN OUR OWN ANCIENT CITIES. They were not even original artifacts by large. There are still a TON of Islamic heritage all over Hijaz. From the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid and Ottoman eras.

We do what we want to do in our own lands. Get used to it.

Next.
 
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Actually we do. We used to ride on camels and horses. Now we use cars and planes. Tomorrow we will use something far more superior and better. Use brains not brawns.
O Mr that has nothing to do with Quran and Sunnah those orders which are part of Islam and clearly told in Quran and Sunnah remains the same and cutting of limbs is part of it now you offer Salah in a mosque made of mud or made of gold that will not increase or decrease your sawab but how focused you are how loyal you are will increase or decrease your sawab
 
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I really hope Masjid e Haram becomes as big and spacious as Masjid e Nabvi is- and the expansions to finish soon-

It will be significantly bigger but from what I recall not as big due to the lack of space. In the future that might change though.

See my thread below for more information. I try to update it whenever there is something important to report about.

"Makkah and Madinah News and Updates"
 
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Saudis have been notorious for destroying historic sites, ISIS is another of their freemasons of destruction, the alarming thing is brain-dead response from arabs, to even such a suggestion by saudi stooge !

So what you are suggesting is that all of Saudi Arabia should be punished because one guy proposed a draft which is within his right as a Saudi citizen to do so? Or take away their right to do so?
 
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I copied the pics you posted in the other thread without quoting your exact post. The credit goes to you.

I owe you an apology.

:kiss3:

Credit does not go to me but for the people who drafted the excellent plan. I had nothing to do with it.:)

Yes it was a Jihad because Muslim country was attacked now you want to tell me no Russian troop ever entered Afghanistan a Muslim country was attacked and it had to be defended and it was defended and now same rules apply against USA and Nato they have to be taken out in Afghanistan

What is the relevancy of talking about something that happened 30 years ago? Everyone commits mistake. Was it even a mistake to begin with? I don't know. Jihad or not the Afghans resisted and mostly did it under an Islamic banner. Anyway Pakistan together with the US was a key player in that project which he ironically omitted.

Anyone who disputes the fact that Jihad is part of Islam does not know his own religion. Just like the tomb crawlers and idol worshippers here.
 
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Yes, tomb crawlers like you and idol worshippers are really sad for that reason because we removed areas of little worth due to the need for expanding (accommodating pilgrims - biggest goal with umrah and hajj) IN OUR OWN ANCIENT CITIES. They were not even original artifacts by large. There are still a TON of Islamic heritage all over Hijaz. From the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid and Ottoman eras.

We do what we want to do in our own lands. Get used to it.

Next.

whether I am an idol worshiper or tomb crawler, it doesnot give Saudis the right to destroy my holy places, and the reason you are giving to destroy historic sites is lame, how does some small houses or buildings get in way and why cannot they be preserved?

The Islamic heritage is a common property.. its not saudi land. how you even live with "Saudi" Arabia? I mean your land? LOL
 
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@Zarvan, dude, we knew this for sometime now - didn't you know? Now do you understand what the Salafists (Wahabi's) are? They are the same people who've infiltrated the Deobandiz of Indo-Pak @ the roots as well!

We will both be on this forum for some time to come, one day you'll find out the true evil nature of these people. Best thing for you would be to shun their evil ways and pray for forgiveness from Allah SWT, before it's too late for you.


"These people". Hyperion you have become such a low life in my absence. A true shame.
 
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So what you are suggesting is that all of Saudi Arabia should be punished because one guy proposed a draft which is within his right as a Saudi citizen to do so? Or take away their right to do so?

start by criticizing the wrong, than to justify..
 
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whether I am an idol worshiper or tomb crawler, it doesnot give Saudis the right to destroy my holy places, and the reason you are giving to destroy historic sites is lame, how does some small houses or buildings get in way and why cannot they be preserved?

The Islamic heritage is a common property.. its not saudi land. how you even live with "Saudi" Arabia? I mean your land? LOL

Makkah and Madina are our personal properties. You still need our permission to get in.
 
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start by criticizing the wrong, than to justify..

I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it. Unlike you I will never be against stifling people's voiced just because of the integrity of your butt was hurt.
 
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I never thought that I'd ever agree with you. Trust you me, you won't be alone. I alone can muster up a Pashtun army of biblical proportions to protect our holy sites from these Takfiri hounds of hell.

lemme put this delicately :

we have restrained enough on these sectarian shyte from saudi family .

we'll level riyadh to the ground if this blasphemy happens . they can try us .

@kollang @mohsen @New @Serpentine @SOHEIL

a must read article guys
 
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