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Saudis making missiles?
Experts, images suggest a Saudi ballistic missile program

By JON GAMBRELL

Associated Press

Saturday, January 26

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — A military base deep inside Saudi Arabia appears to be testing and possibly manufacturing ballistic missiles, experts and satellite images suggest, evidence of the type of weapons program it has long criticized its archrival Iran for possessing.

Further raising the stakes for any such program are comments by Saudi Arabia’s powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who said last year the kingdom wouldn’t hesitate to develop nuclear weapons if Iran does. Ballistic missiles can carry nuclear warheads to targets thousands of kilometers (miles) away.

Officials in Riyadh and the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

Having such a program could further strain relations with the U.S., the kingdom’s longtime security partner, at a time when ties already are being tested by the killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi and the Saudi-led war in Yemen.

Jeffrey Lewis, a missile expert at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in Monterey, California, said heavy investment in missiles often correlates with an interest in nuclear weapons. “I would be a little worried that we’re underestimating the Saudis’ ambitions here,” said Lewis, who has studied the satellite images.

The images, first reported by The Washington Post, focus on a military base near the town of al-Dawadmi, some 230 kilometers (145 miles) west of Riyadh, the Saudi capital. Jane’s Defence Weekly first identified the base in 2013, suggesting its two launch pads appear oriented to target Israel and Iran with ballistic missiles the kingdom previously bought from China.

The November satellite images show what appear to be structures big enough to build and fuel ballistic missiles. An apparent rocket-engine test stand can be seen in a corner of the base — the type on which a rocket is positioned on its side and test-fired in place. Such testing is key for countries attempting to manufacture working missiles, experts say.

Michael Elleman, the senior fellow for missile defense at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Washington, also reviewed the satellite photos and said they appear to show a ballistic missile program.

The question remains where Saudi Arabia gained the technical know-how to build such a facility. Lewis said the Saudi stand closely resembles a design used by China, though it is smaller.

Chinese military support to the kingdom would not come as a surprise. The Chinese have increasingly sold armed drones to Saudi Arabia and other Mideast nations, even as the U.S. blocks sales of its own to allies over proliferation concerns. Beijing also sold Riyadh variants of its Dongfeng ballistic missiles, the only ones the kingdom was previously believed to have in its arsenal.

Asked by The Associated Press on Friday about the base, China’s Defense Ministry declined immediately to comment.

“I have never heard of such a thing as China helping Saudi Arabia to build a missile base,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.

Neither Saudi Arabia nor China are members of the Missile Technology Control Regime, a 30-year-old agreement aimed at limiting the proliferation of rockets capable of carrying weapons of mass destruction, such as nuclear bombs.

Saudi Arabia, along with Israel and the United States, have long criticized Iran’s ballistic missile program, viewing it as a regional threat.

Iran, whose nuclear program for now remains limited by its 2015 deal with world powers, insists its atomic program is peaceful. But Western powers have long feared it was pursuing nuclear weapons in the guise of a civilian program, allegations denied by Tehran.

Iran has relied on its ballistic missiles as its own air force is largely made up of pre-1979 fighter jets. Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, has a fleet of modern F-15s, Typhoons and Tornadoes — which raises the question of why the Saudis would choose to develop the missiles.

Elleman, the defense expert, said that while Saudi pilots are skilled, the kingdom still needs American help with logistics.

“Today, they rely heavily on direct American support. There is no absolute guarantee that U.S. forces and supporting functions will aid a Saudi attack on Iranian targets,” Elleman told the AP. “Ballistic missiles are a reasonable hedge against those concerns.”

Saudi Arabia, meanwhile, has been targeted by ballistic missiles fired from neighboring Yemen by the Houthi rebels, some of which have reached Riyadh. Researchers, Western nations and U.N. experts say Iran supplied those missiles to the rebels, something Tehran and the rebels deny.

Saudi Arabia is pursuing its own nuclear program, and Prince Mohammed, the 33-year-old son of King Salman who is next in line for the throne, said it would race for an atomic weapon if Iran were to develop one.

“Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb, but without a doubt if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible,” Prince Mohammed told CBS’ “60 Minutes” in an interview aired last March.

A Saudi program would only complicate efforts by the U.S. and its Western allies to limit Iran’s ballistic missile program, said STRATFOR, the Austin, Texas-based private intelligence firm.

STRATFOR said that “should Saudi Arabia move into a test-launch phase, the United States will be pressured to take action with sanctions,” as it has done with Iran.

Congress has grown increasingly critical of Saudi Arabia since the Oct. 2 assassination of Khashoggi at the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, allegedly carried out by members of Prince Mohammed’s entourage. The kingdom’s yearslong war in Yemen also has angered lawmakers.

If the Saudis produce “medium-range systems inherently capable of carrying nuclear weapons, the response will be much more robust, though likely out of public view,” Elleman said. “Congress, on the other hand, may lash out, as this will be seen as another affront to the U.S. and regional stability.”

Associated Press writer Christopher Bodeen in Beijing contributed.

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just storage and test site of DF missiles saudi bought from china in 90s
 
just storage and test site of DF missiles saudi bought from china in 90s
satellite imagery shows test site for missile engines. if they wanted to test those DF missiles they must have fired it not just separate the engine and then turn the engine on , it means destroying a missile without learning anything.
 
just storage and test site of DF missiles saudi bought from china in 90s
You mean 80s anyway the Saudis are in close cooperation with the ukrainians to develope missiles you can already check for some infos about some stages of missiles that the Saudis are developing under Ukrainian assistance
 
Like I always said, China is not Iran’s friend. Selling ballistic missile technology to a bunch of sand Arabs who can’t even replicate the box the parts come in.

MBS is the best thing to happen to Iran, like the Shah he is getting to cocky. Like the Shah he is forgetting his “place” in the western puppet heirachy. MBS actually thinks his country can defy his masters.

If MBS runs into to many problems he will be removed or disposed of. There are plenty of decedents of Saud to takeover.

If Saudi Arabia builds a crude BM program then instantly legitimatizes Iran’s BM program and gives the West ZERO grounds to force Iran to disarm.
 
Theyre so incompetent that they have to staff ATC with non arabs and you’re trying to say they are developing advanced missiles...


 
That's really bad. Unlimited "strategic" capability will make it difficult to control a conflict if one arises.

Seems like their DF-21 reached their solid booster lifetime of around 15 years and they somehow managed to convince the Chinese to set up a refueling facility in Saudi Arabia instead to transport the arsenal to China...
This plus their Ukrainian connection could result in a dangerous Saudi Arabia.

I hope Chinese at least said that they will provide the fuel themselves, not setting up a production plant for that too.
 
That's really bad. Unlimited "strategic" capability will make it difficult to control a conflict if one arises.

Seems like their DF-21 reached their solid booster lifetime of around 15 years and they somehow managed to convince the Chinese to set up a refueling facility in Saudi Arabia instead to transport the arsenal to China...
This plus their Ukrainian connection could result in a dangerous Saudi Arabia.

I hope Chinese at least said that they will provide the fuel themselves, not setting up a production plant for that too.

China is a coniving whore, but a smart whore. They don’t want money, they want something greater....something geopolitical.

Their Silk Road doctrine is nothing more than a modern day indenture servant ploy, but instead of a person, China is slowly enslaving countries like a loan shark.

Now in the case of Saudi Arabia both sides have money. So what did Saudi Arabia give to China to convince them at the risk of pissing off the West?

Iran’s establishment well knows the ways the Chinese think.

China best not meddle in the Middle East when it has the full brunt of the US bearing down on it in the next decade.
 
That's really bad. Unlimited "strategic" capability will make it difficult to control a conflict if one arises.

Seems like their DF-21 reached their solid booster lifetime of around 15 years and they somehow managed to convince the Chinese to set up a refueling facility in Saudi Arabia instead to transport the arsenal to China...
This plus their Ukrainian connection could result in a dangerous Saudi Arabia.

I hope Chinese at least said that they will provide the fuel themselves, not setting up a production plant for that too.
I think this was something that would happen sooner or later. It is wishful thinking to expect Iran to be the only country in the middle east that has indigenous missile technology forever.

Iran needs to continue its pass in developing better and better technologies to make sure it always has the upper hand.
 
Iranian leader about Saudis:
"In the region, and perhaps in the whole world, I don't know any country worse than Saudi government. It's tyrant, dictator, corrupt, ruthless, and dependent. for such a government, they (west) want to provide nuclear power plants and missile factories...
Personally, I don't mind, cause I know that god willing, in the not so far future, these will fall into the hands of Islamic fighter!"


رهبر معظم انقلاب در حرم امام رضا(ع): سال جدید سال فرصت‌هاست، نه تهدیدها/ کانال مالی که اروپا مطرح کرده یک شوخی است
 
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Saudis cant make missile without Pakistan help and if we willing to help them than 20 billion investment plus 6 billion oil package is nothing but just a peanut. Pakistan should demand at least 50 billion dollar cash from saudis if they want our help
 
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