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Saudia, Bahrain, UAE & Egypt cut diplomatic ties with Qatar

All the GCC countries are. All these countries are weak, kings are slave to the west, because of stashed wealth other countries. Had these countries invested within muslim countries today, ME would not have been standing at this juncture, where Iraq, Syria, Libya etc are no entity anymore. All this to save kingdoms and not the nation.

Using that short-sighted logic, Pakistan and all Muslim countries are that. GCC states are the main investors in the Arab and Muslim world.

Events in Iraq, Syria and Libya are internal events although outsiders have tried to fuel the flames. However if those countries were led by competent regimes and just ones, we would not have seen the chaos that we see. Chaos that is temporary and not permanent. Iraq is already recovering by large. Good signs in Libya lately as well. Syria is another story and you are blaming the wrong actors here.

Gulf plunged into diplomatic crisis as countries cut ties with Qatar
Qatari diplomats ejected and land, air and sea traffic routes cut off in row over terror and regional stability
Saudi Arabia TV reports on cutting of ties with Qatar
Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor

Monday 5 June 2017 17.39 BST First published on Monday 5 June 2017 04.01 BST

The Gulf has been hit by its biggest diplomatic crisis in years after Arab nations including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Bahrain cut ties with Qatar, accusing it of destabilising the region with its support for Islamist groups.

The countries said they would halt all land, air and sea traffic with Qatar, eject its diplomats and order Qatari citizens to leave the Gulf states within 14 days. Shoppers in the Qatari capital, Doha, meanwhile packed supermarkets amid fears the country, which relies on imports from its neighbours, would face food shortages after Saudi Arabia closed its sole land border.

Social media reports from Doha showed supermarket shelves empty as nervous consumers began to worry that stocks of food and water would run out. As much as 40% of Qatar’s food comes over the Saudi border.

The small but very wealthy nation, the richest in the world per capita, was also expelled from a Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen.

The coordinated move dramatically escalates a dispute over Qatar’s support of Islamist movements, including the Muslim Brotherhood, and its perceived tolerance of Saudi Arabia’s arch-rival, Iran. The dispute is the worst to hit the Gulf since the formation of the Gulf Co-operation Council in 1981.

Qatar’s foreign affairs ministry said the measures were unjustified and based on false claims and assumptions. As the Qatari stock market tumbled and oil prices rose, it accused its fellow Gulf states of violating its sovereignty.

“The state of Qatar has been subjected to a campaign of lies that have reached the point of complete fabrication,” a statement said. “It reveals a hidden plan to undermine the state of Qatar.”

Saudi Arabia said it took the decision to cut diplomatic ties owing to Qatar’s “embrace of various terrorist and sectarian groups aimed at destabilising the region”, including the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaida, Islamic State and groups supported by Iran in Saudi Arabia’s restive eastern province of Qatif.

Egypt’s foreign ministry accused Qatar of taking an “antagonist approach” towards the country and said “all attempts to stop it from supporting terrorist groups failed”. It gave the Qatari ambassador 48 hours to leave Egypt, and ordered its own chargé d’affaires in Qatar to return to Cairo within 48 hours.

The tiny island nation of Bahrain blamed its decision on Qatar’s “media incitement, support for armed terrorist activities, and funding linked to Iranian groups to carry out sabotage and spreading chaos in Bahrain”.

In a sign of Qatar’s growing isolation, Yemen’s internationally backed government – which no longer holds its capital and large portions of the country – joined the move to break relations, as did the Maldives and the government based in eastern Libya
There effect on air travel in the region was immediate. Qatar Airways, one of the region’s major long-haul carriers, said it was suspending all flights to Saudi Arabia. Etihad, the Abu Dhabi-based carrier, said it would suspend flights to Qatar “until further notice”. Emirates, the Dubai-based carrier, announced it would suspend Qatar flights starting on Tuesday, and Dubai-based budget carrier flydubai said it would suspend flights to and from Doha from Tuesday.

Egypt announced its airspace will be closed to all Qatari airplanes from Tuesday.

Monday’s diplomatic moves came two weeks after four Arab countries blocked Qatar-based media over the appearance of comments attributed to the Qatari emir that praised Iran. Qatar said hackers had taken over the website of its state-run news agency and faked the comments.

A senior Iranian official said the decision to sever ties with Qatar would not help end the crisis in the Middle East. Hamid Aboutalebi, deputy chief of staff for Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, tweeted: “The era of cutting diplomatic ties and closing borders is over … it is not a way to resolve crisis. These countries have no other option but to start regional dialogue.”

The US military said it had “no plans to change our posture in Qatar” amid the diplomatic crisis. Qatar is home to the sprawling al-Udeid airbase, which houses the US military’s central command and 10,000 American troops.

Qatar has long faced criticism from its Arab neighbours over its support of Islamists and Doha has long welcomed senior figures from Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Saudi’s chief worry is the Muslim Brotherhood, the transnational Sunni Islamist political movement outlawed by Saudi Arabia and the UAE, which regards it as posing a threat to their system of hereditary rule.

Gulf countries led by Saudi Arabia fell out with Qatar over its backing of the former Egyptian president, Mohamed Morsi, a Brotherhood member, and in March 2014, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recalled their ambassadors from Qatar over the rift.

Diplomatic relations resumed eight months later when Qatar forced some Brotherhood members to leave the country and quieted others but the 2014 crisis did not involve a land and sea blockade, as is threatened now.

The Qatar Council issued a fresh statement on Monday afternoon seeking to reassure its citizens that it had taken the necessary steps to ensure normal life continued, including by keeping sea ports open for trade and making sure that air space with countries not involved in the boycott remained open. It said it would not expel the 300,000 Egyptians working in Qatar as a reprisal.

Saudi Arabia however kept up the pressure on Qatar by saying it was withdrawing al-Jazeera’s media licence and closing its Saudi office, saying the Qatar-funded broadcaster had promoted terrorist plots and supported the Houthi rebels in Yemen.

It also banned all Qatar flagged vessels from is ports and lorries due to enter Qatar over the Saudi border were blocked from doing so.

The Saudi aim is to apply pressure to make Qatar change its foreign policy, but questioning the legitimacy of a fellow monarch could prove to be a double edged sword for any Gulf ruler.

Since 2014, Qatar has repeatedly and strongly denied that it funds extremist groups. However, it remains a key financial patron of the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip and has been the home of the exiled Hamas official Khaled Mashaal since 2012. One of the first signs of any compromise will be the withdrawal of Hamas leaders from Doha.

Western officials have also accused Qatar of allowing or even encouraging funding of Sunni extremists such as al-Qaida’s branch in Syria, once known as the Nusra Front.

The row comes only two weeks after the US president, Donald Trump, visited the Middle East to seal major defence contracts with Saudi Arabia worth $110bn, set up an anti-extremist institute in Riyadh and urge the Gulf states to build an alliance against Iran.

The Saudis are in part countering the allegation of funding extremism, frequently made in Washington and in the past by Trump himself, by pointing the finger at Qatar for backing terrorism.
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Speaking in Australia, the US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, played down the seriousness of the diplomatic dispute and said it would not affect counter-terrorism efforts.

“I think what we’re witnessing is a growing list of irritants in the region that have been there for some time, and they’ve bubbled up so that countries have taken action in order to have those differences addressed,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...erm=229323&subid=23112432&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Man, for Middle Eastern standards, this being described as "the worst diplomatic row in the 36 years history of the GCC", is a good measurement of how successful and peaceful GCC has actually been. An island of peace and stability in a ocean of instability.
 
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US dependence on ME Oil is fast declining to a point where it will be negligible soon. Hence, now they are putting into action their plan to dismember the ME. Uptill now it was the fringe countries like Syria, Libya etc, but now they are striking at the heart of the region. My prediction, for what its worth, is that the ultimate loser in this will be KSA and the eventual winner in this game will be Iran. The more these things happen, the more victimised countries will gravitate towards a Russia backed Iran.

Maybe, just maybe, the Iran bashing is just a bogey. The real target is someone else??
 
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so saudies are blaming qatar for relations with terrorist and cutting ties with them and othe gulf countires are also cutting ties with qatar. But what about saudi support to Al-qaida and many other terrorist organizations will saudi get the same treatment as qatar got or its just might is right
 
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First off, my nationality is American. My ethnicity is South Asian more specifically Bengali. Learn the nuance.

Secondly, if YOU have any shame, instead of patting yourself on the back and talking of Arab grandeur; take a step back and analyze what's REALLY going on. Do you really think engaging a Trump administration in this way is going to lead to any good? Not short term, but long term? Come on man, you guys are getting PLAYED.

In the back scenes somewhere was a green light given by the US government for SA and UAE to do this. This thing with Iran has to stop. This fighting within the GCC has to stop. I realize that SA and UAE have their own reasons for doing this, mostly pertaining to self preservation. But dont think for a second that individuals in Washington and Tel Aviv arn't pulling the strings for you Arab puppets.
listen arabs dont care about you. the ommat you talk of is nothing but a tool for arab imperialism

let me tell you one fact- pakistan always stood by the arabs during the arab israel conflict sent military help. when indo pak war broke out you know what happened no arab came to the ground to fight for them only diplomatic support nothing else. to this day they dont recognise israel but arab countries along with plo maintain great relations with its sworn enemy india. not that i care but ok LOL :omghaha:

its your wish if you still want to believe in ommat nonsense i'll leave that to you
 
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so enemies have finally able to divide gulf countries union. they finally got success in shaking the strong wall of gcc and gulf arab countries qatar is the first brick shaken from that wall wait and see who is the next brick
 
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lol I'm not sure what's more annoying, my little barking chihuahua or your constant delusional posts about Saudi grandeur.
Yeah,some of the posts here are pretty fu#king deluded:crazy:,but thats what makes this thread so funny:yahoo:.
 
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Saudi condition to Qatar - 1) expel Yusuf al-Qaradawi 2) shut down Al Jazeera. Another word Saudis want Qatar to submit itself to sauds.
 
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Using that short-sighted logic, Pakistan and all Muslim countries are that. GCC states are the main investors in the Arab and Muslim world.

Events in Iraq, Syria and Libya are internal events although outsiders have tried to fuel the flames. However if those countries were led by competent regimes and just ones, we would not have seen the chaos that we see. Chaos that is temporary and not permanent. Iraq is already recovering by large. Good signs in Libya lately as well. Syria is another story and you are blaming the wrong actors here.



Man, for Middle Eastern standards, this being described as "the worst diplomatic row in the 36 years history of the GCC", is a good measurement of how successful and peaceful GCC has actually been. An island of peace and stability in a ocean of instability.
Pakistan is now on correct track after alliances with China. For most M.E countries are not that fortunate.
 
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Pan-Gulfism goes nowhere under the leadership of Al Saud family.

Islam should look towards Iran as future model instead of Saudi. Being sanctioned by USA and EU, Iran has evolved into the most technologically advanced Muslim country in the whole world.

The Gulf states having access to western capitals and technologies are backward and quickly regress to stone age once oil runs out.
What a load of crap.

Iran and Syria are no role models for the Islamic bloc.

I am not optimistic about GCC or Saudi. Saudi is an hydra of Eastern province, Nadj, Hejaz cobbled up by UK.

The Hejaz and Eastern province chap hate the Nadj, who is nothing but the most barbaric and uncivilized part of Saudi ever since Allah created mankind.

KSA will be down the day when USA decides to bring color revolution there. No surprise KSA heed the bidding of USA, knowing that the Al Saud family destiny is at the hand of its master.
Let me tell you one thing: If Saudi Arabia descend into chaos, damage will be irreversible and world war imminent. No entity (and I repeat no entity) would be allowed to threaten stability in Saudi Arabia. You will see a movement in Pakistan as well in support of Saudi Arabia.

Very easy to raise slogans against status-quo without understanding the ramifications/consequences.

We need both sides of the story to assess what went wrong in this case. I was not expecting this development but it is very serious. I hope that all issues will be settled amicably.

We don't want chaos and unrest in another Islamic state, specially a progressive state like Qatar.
 
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A family feud
Saudi Arabia cuts off Qatar

The kingdom is raising tensions with its immediate neighbours as well as with Iran and Yemen

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Middle East and Africa
Jun 5th 2017

SAUDI ARABIA and its satellites have repeatedly put their neighbour Qatar on notice, but never as severely as this.
In 2014, they temporarily recalled their ambassadors from the tiny, rich Gulf statelet: but on June 5th, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Bahrain announced they were not only severing diplomatic relations with Qatar, but their air, sea and land links too—meaning that Qatar’s only land border is to be closed. Panic buying is already reported in Qatari shops. Qataris must leave Saudi Arabia within days, and will henceforth be denied entry. For good measure the ambitious young Saudi defence minister and deputy crown prince, Muhammad bin Salman, expelled Qatar’s 1,000-strong force from the coalition he leads against rebels in Yemen.

Qatar is the world’s second-largest exporter of natural gas and will host the football World Cup in 2022, and it has sought to exert influence across the region. Saudi news outlets say the measures are reprisals for Qatar’s support for terrorism, including al-Qaeda. That said, other Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, have also had to fend off claims that they—or their citizens—have helped to fund jihadists.

There are broader and older grievances at play, rooted in geopolitics and the place of Islam in politics. For decades, Saudi and Emirati officials have blamed Qatar, which protrudes like a sore thumb from the western Gulf, for breaking ranks with the Saudi-dominated six-nation Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC).

Qatar is one of three GCC states that still maintains cordial relations with Iran (Kuwait and Oman are the other two). Its emir, Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, was quoted expressing reservations about Saudi Arabia’s increasingly belligerent posture against Iran. Qatar also sponsors and provides sanctuary to the Muslim Brotherhood, particularly irking the UAE, which deems the Brotherhood a terrorist group. And it also funds and hosts Al Jazeera, a broadcaster that offers a platform to Arab dissidents everywhere but in Qatar, and which fanned the flames of revolution and armed revolt during the Arab Spring.

For all their ambition, the Al Thanis have little appetite for confrontation. Qatar’s foreign ministry has meekly expressed “deep regret” at the severing of ties. In recent years Qatar has scaled back its public support for the Brotherhood. As tensions mounted in recent days it ejected senior members of the Palestinian branch of the Brotherhood, Hamas, and repatriated a dissident wanted in Saudi Arabia. It has disclaimed a headline criticising Saudi Arabia’s stance on Iran, and described the quote attributed to the emir as “fake news”.

But the isolation is unlikely to end soon. Saudi Arabia has yet to define its demands for restoring ties, and Qatar can expect little solace from other Arab states. Most of them are likely to welcome Qatar’s comeuppance. Egypt’s president and his fellow generals still fume at Al Jazeera for opposing their overthrow of the Brotherhood’s elected president in 2013; so Egypt quickly joined Saudi Arabia in cutting its links with Qatar. Yemen’s Saudi-supported government, and the UAE-backed authority in eastern Libya also declared they are following suit.

Historically, Qatar looked overseas for protection against Saudi bullying. The British kept the Saudis from extending their rule to its coastal protectorates in the 1920s. More recently, Qatar has reached out to an unlikely assembly of Israel, Iran, Turkey and America for support. Of late, though, its alliances have seemed to fray. Israel has deepened its security relationship with Qatar’s rivals, the UAE, and to a lesser extent, Saudi Arabia.

American support may also be less certain. Qatar hosts the largest American base in the Middle East, al-Udeid. Located on the road to the Saudi border, Qataris have long viewed it as their best defence against invasion by land. But many Qataris now fear that America under Donald Trump might be less a regional referee than a Saudi cheerleader. Last month Mr Trump chose Riyadh, the Saudi capital, as the first foreign destination of his presidency, and in return was greeted with Saudi pomp and arms contracts. His foreign policy advisers are reckoned to maintain close ties with Muhammad bin Zayed, the UAE’s de facto ruler, who has been urging America to move its forces there from Qatar for years.

Qatar could look to Turkey, which shares its favourable view of the Muslim Brotherhood and opened a base in the sheikhdom last year. Given his troubles at home, though, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish president, might shy from a confrontation with the Al Sauds. That leaves Iran. The two countries jointly manage South Pars, the world’s largest gasfield. In addition, says a cleric close to Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran has a defence pact with Qatar which commits it to the latter’s defence in the event of a Saudi attack. Already, Iranian officials have offered to send food shipments across the Gulf. Saudi Arabia’s impetuous actions risk further driving Qatar into the arms of Iran, and increasing the danger of armed confrontation with Shia state.

In response to nervousness about both outcomes, oil and gas prices are rising.

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Using that short-sighted logic, Pakistan and all Muslim countries are that. GCC states are the main investors in the Arab and Muslim world.

Events in Iraq, Syria and Libya are internal events although outsiders have tried to fuel the flames. However if those countries were led by competent regimes and just ones, we would not have seen the chaos that we see. Chaos that is temporary and not permanent. Iraq is already recovering by large. Good signs in Libya lately as well. Syria is another story and you are blaming the wrong actors here.



Man, for Middle Eastern standards, this being described as "the worst diplomatic row in the 36 years history of the GCC", is a good measurement of how successful and peaceful GCC has actually been. An island of peace and stability in a ocean of instability.

Nobody can rule arabs better then Generals :) it was always like that.
 
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5 things you need to know about what’s going on with Qatar
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It’s not every day that two states with similar societies and international alignments break into an open cold war, but this is what is happen between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Here’s what you need to know.

1. Black Gold Meets Cold War In The Desert
Qatar and Saudi Arabia are neighbours and the similarities do not end there. Both are heavily reliant on energy exports in order to fund their lavish domestic economies. Both practice similar forms of Salafist Islam and both countries have been the traditional enemies of secular Arab states, notably Syria. Both countries are sponsors of terrorism including al-Qaeda and ISIS at various times.

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Although the states are arguing over their differences, it is their similarities that are the real root of the crisis.

With experts predicting that oil prices will never recover as non-OPEC members continue to produce more energy and as China becomes a pioneer in green energy production, Saudi Arabia is feeling the economic sting and is trying to isolate a regional energy exporter.

Oil prices rose after Saudi and others made the announcement that they were breaking off relations with Qatar. However, the bigger question is: will the prices go back down? Most experts say yes, something which will embolden the deeply un-creative Saudi regime to take even more aggressive measures, even against neighbours with similar ideologies.

Although Saudi Arabia and Qatar had a somewhat similar spat in 2014, the current issue is far bigger.

Saudi has managed to convince many more countries to join in the boycott and Saudi Arabia has moved to shut down state-owned Qatari media, notably Al Jazeera. Saudi has also shut the border to Qatar as well as Saudi waters. Flights from the state airlines of Saudi Arabia and its ally the UAE to Qatar have all stopped. Furthermore, Saudi is now demanding that Qatar change the name of its Imam Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab Mosque, named for the spiritual father of the Saudi ideology.

It really is as if the Saudis and the UAE are building a kind of invisible but deeply unambiguous Berlin Wall around Qatar.

2. Qatar Diversifies Its ‘Geo-political Portfolio’

Qatar has long been attempting to subtly and at times overtly shift its international alliances in order to differentiate itself from Saudi and carve out a unique niche as a ‘separate but equal’ despotic Gulf state.

Most notably, Qatar has made overtures towards Iran just as Saudi’s habitually anti-Iranian stance goes into overdrive. The proximate cause of the dispute are now deleted Tweets from Qatar’s state-run news agency wherein Qatar’s supreme ruler Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani spoke warmly about Iran and even praised the Lebanese Resistance Hezbollah, a Shi’a party that is an ally of Iran but one considered a terrorist group by Saudi Arabia and the US.

Although Qatar continues to insist that the Tweet was the product of a hacking hoax, the Saudis are not buying it.

Qatar is by no means pro-Iranian, but pragmatism has led Qatar to seek possible business opportunities, especially in respect of gas deals with the Islamic Republic. The idea that a fellow Gulf Cooperation Council member might have any positive relations with Iran goes against everything Saudi Arabia and the United States stands for.

3. What about Egypt? What do they have in common with Saudi Arabia?
The short answer is that apart from the kinds of Saudi business dealings that proliferate throughout the entire world with the exceptions of countries like Syria and Iran, Egypt has little practically to do with Saudi.

Egypt is a secular, multi-faith state that has recently been under attack from Salafist terrorist groups like ISIS which are supported by both Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

However, unlike Saudi, Qatar supports the illegal group Muslim Brotherhood which briefly ruled Egypt between 2012 and 2013 after Barack Obama’s United States abandoned its traditional ally, former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Now that secular rule has been restored, Egypt is particularly angry with Qatar for funding and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood.

That being said, most Egyptians have very negative views about both states as do most moderate Sunnis and virtually all Shi’a Muslims and Christians.

The real shame is that Egypt which was the undisputed leader of the Arab world under the leadership of President Nasser, is now simply following in Saudi’s bleak shadow.

4. Saudi Arabia Accused Qatar of Sponsoring Terrorism…YES THAT Saudi Arabia

Nobody said that the Saudi regime was honest, even though this time they’ve really gone for it. Saudi Arabia is by any estimation, the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism. Qatar is also a state sponsor of much of the same kind of terrorism. Saudi Arabia is correct when it accuses Saudi Arabia of sponsoring terrorism, but this doesn’t mean that Saudi Arabia is suddenly on the side of the righteous. It means that Saudi Arabia is simply as hypocritical as it has always been.

In other words…pass the popcorn.

5. The Syrian Connection

It is widely known that both Saudi Arabia and Qatar are fighting on the same side in Syria, using their mutual terrorist proxies who receive funds and arms from both states. This includes groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda as well as other Salafist terrorist groups.

Secular Ba’athist Syria has no relations with either Qatar or Saudi Arabia and this is unlikely to change in the immediate future.

However, with Saudi and Qatar now at loggerheads, it could mean that terrorists will have to pick which country they are loyal to and in the process they may lose one of their two main cash cows.

Furthermore, with Syria set to win the war against Qatari and Saudi funded terrorism, Qatar’s plans to build a gas pipeline to Turkey, running largely through Syria, may never happen. This was one of the main reasons Qatar sought to overthrow the legitimate government of the Syrian Arab Republic. It might also be a reason why having more or less given up on the Syrian pipeline, Qatar is embarrassingly (for Qatar) turning to Iran, which as everyone knows is fighting Qatari terrorists is Syria along side Iran’s partners against terrorism, The Syrian Arab Republic and Russian Federation.

Russia and America have remained neutral on the dispute as has Pakistan, an ally of both Saudi and Qatar, which depends greatly on investment from both countries.

This dispute will not immediately change the war in Syria, but it could lead to some fracturing in the loyalties and funds of jihadists.
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Situation will eventually settle. Saudis need to recognize that Qatar's economic fortunes are shared with Iran. They can't afford the liberty the Saudis and other Emirates share. Similarly Kuwait's quietness is also attributable to Kuwait sharing border with now almost an Iranian sub province i.e. Iraq. Arabs need to realize that they can't work as a unity as now each and every state in GCC (Except Bahrain maybe which is effectively a satellite of KSA) holds diverse economic, geographic and diplomatic interests. Had Saudis kept Qataris on board, I am 110% sure that Sisi would have broken away because of his own demons with Muslim Brotherhood. GCC will have to evolve from 60s and 50s mindset and recognize her members' diversity and constraints. If they think that they can undermine Iran by pulling eachother's legs, that's gonna least serve their purpose. And lastly, KSA needs to rethink her strategy and start accepting the GCC as partners rather than subservient emirates.
 
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All the GCC countries are. All these countries are weak, kings are slave to the west, because of stashed wealth other countries. Had these countries invested within muslim countries today, ME would not have been standing at this juncture, where Iraq, Syria, Libya etc are no entity anymore. All this to save kingdoms and not the nation.

Exactly!
 
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