Saudi soldiers desecrate Shiite mosque

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Yes, writing facts throughout the entire discussion is "no arguments" in your logic. Hilarious.

Yes, you are in fact very impoverished compared to Saudi Arabians and people of the GCC. Even the average Iraqi (despite all the wars) is richer on average.

Yemeni Arabs might not be the richest but their architecture, history, landscapes, ancient artifacts are 1 million times more beautiful, respected and well-known than your likes in Tajikistan, Afghanistan and other irrelevant countries.

Actually that's very much a realistic plan and not my plan but that of the international community and scientists and experts on the field.

So what? Afghanistan is a US military base. Tajikistan a Russian client state and military base. Kurds have no country (never had any). Biggest stateless people in the world apparently. The 0.5 million Ossetians (that your likes have no genetic ties to) are Russified and part of Russia. What's left?

Congratulations. KSA does not have any foreign bases but like Iran it used to have US bases for some time.

So the French use a UAE military base after UAE permission. Using that logic KSA and Qatar have a military base in Turkey (Incirlik) and Russia in Iran.

Historical facts are historical facts. I know they hurt you however history is what it is.

If we were exporting 6 times more oil than GCC we would also be richer. GCC exports 15 million barrels of oil per day, Iran 2,5 million. GCC has a population of 50 million people, Iran has a population of 80 million. I don't even count the sanctions and 8 year war that we had.

Landscape of Pakistan only is more beautifull than landscape of all GCC together.

Well when the water plants, and 3D rebuilding plans are all done, and paid by arab-helping king of saudi arabia, then we talk further.

We never talked about persian unification, while all your posts and leaders literally are about arabism/gcc-ism. We don't need this kind of boasting, and it's not even our goal. Even then, gcc has enough men and money to be independent, however these sheikhdoms have no courage and are scared to loose power, so they buy westerners by weapon contracts and giving them military bases.

Facts are clear, our Indo-european and its Indo-Iranian branch has overtaken whole the world and will continiu doing so, by population, language, technology, land mass and anything else, compared to semite/afro-asiatics.

I repeat again Russia has no military presence in Iran and Iranian constitution doenst allow forein military power to stay there. But there are french and american military present in gcc.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

If we were exporting 6 times more oil than GCC we would also be richer. GCC exports 15 million barrels of oil per day, Iran 2,5 million. GCC has a population of 50 million people, Iran has a population of 80 million. I don't even count the sanctions and 8 year war that we had.

Landscape of Pakistan only is more beautifull than landscape of all GCC together.

Well when the water plants, and 3D rebuilding plans are all done, and paid by arab-helping king of saudi arabia, then we talk further.

We never talked about persian unification, while all your posts and leaders literally are about arabism/gcc-ism. We don't need this kind of boasting, and it's not even our goal. Even then, gcc has enough men and money to be independent, however these sheikhdoms have no courage and are scared to loose power, so they buy westerners by weapon contracts and giving them military bases.

Facts are clear, our Indo-european and its Indo-Iranian branch has overtaken the whole the world and will continiu doing so, by population, language, technology, land mass and anything else, compared to semite/afro-asiatics.

I repeat again Russia has no military presence in Iran and Iranian constitution doenst allow forein military power to stay there. But there are french and american military present in gcc.

Nonsense numbers. You are the second largest gas exporter in the world unlike the GCC which uses gas for local consumption outside of Qatar.

The GCC has a 2 trillion USD GDP (nominal). You have an economy the size of small UAE. Over 50% of the world's sovereign wealth funds are owned by the GCC. As far as investments home and abroad goes, GCC Is also lightyears ahead.

Your pariah state and its economic, social, political etc. situation is the fault of your own people and its rulers. Nobody else. A larger population usually means a larger economy.

Pakistan has nothing to do with you. It is not.

They are already there expect for the rebuilding in Iraq, Syria and Libya which is a question of time and the entire world community will be involved, not only KSA.

There is no such thing as a "Persian world" or even "Iranian world" so there can be no unification.

We are already more independent than you on almost all fronts. Your existence is as the very mercy of the international community and the powers to be. One mistake and you will end up like Afghanistan next door or another 8 year long war or worse a civil war as there is enough of ammunition.

How many times do I need to tell you that we Arabs are genetically closet to NEIGHBORING Europeans and so is the Arab world geographically. Or that there is nothing called an Indo-European people other than a language family which has nothing to do with genetics, history etc. Unless you are going to claim that an Sri Lankan has any relationship to an Icelandic person or a Pakistani a relationship to a Spaniard or an Iranian to an Italian. Sorry to break your bubble but the average Arab has a closer genetic and historical relationship to the latter two (Spaniards and Italians) than Iranians and so have the Turkic speaking Turks. Just to make two examples.

Arabs alone let alone all Semites (not even talking about other related peoples) far exceed all the achievements of your Persians let alone other Iranian-speaking peoples. It's a joke comparison as a few ancient Semitic peoples and civilizations (who civilized you and totally influenced you on all fronts the second you appeared in history some 3000 years ago) can do the job alone.

There is Russian military presence in Mullahstan. Your Mullah's were even begging Israel during the Iraq-Iran war for help and received it. So much for "death" to Israel. Same can be said about the "Great Satan" the US.

No bases in the GCC other than US bases. France is temporarily using a UAE base for joint strikes against ISIS. This does not equal a French military base. Even if that was the case, it is quite pathetic to compare tiny states like Qatar, UAE with a supposed "superpower" that the Mullah's are ruling, lol.

Anyway nobody cares what a foreigner, an irani of all people, has to say about anything related to KSA or the Arab world for that matter. It's a joke and so is this thread and conversation (waste of time) for all to see.

 

[The SC]

I wonder what would happen if such a thing happened in Iran , no single country or human right activist writing about it ...



It's not ruler , it's Imam ...

In Arabic it is "Walyo Al Amr"..It can be the king, the Khalifa or the ruler..Imam in Arabic is used for the Imam of a mosque or the one who leads the prayer..

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Nonsense numbers. You are the second largest gas exporter in the world unlike the GCC which uses gas for local consumption outside of Qatar.

The GCC has a 2 trillion USD GDP (nominal). You have an economy the size of small UAE. Over 50% of the world's sovereign wealth funds are owned by the GCC. As far as investments home and abroad goes, GCC Is also lightyears ahead.

Your pariah state and its economic, social, political etc. situation is the fault of your own people and its rulers. Nobody else. A larger population usually means a larger economy.

Pakistan has nothing to do with you. It is not.

They are already there expect for the rebuilding in Iraq, Syria and Libya which is a question of time and the entire world community will be involved, not only KSA.

There is no such thing as a "Persian world" or even "Iranian world" so there can be no unification.

We are already more independent than you on almost all fronts. Your existence is as the very mercy of the international community and the powers to be. One mistake and you will end up like Afghanistan next door or another 8 year long war or worse a civil war as there is enough of ammunition.

How many times do I need to tell you that we Arabs are genetically closet to NEIGHBORING Europeans and so is the Arab world geographically. Or that there is nothing called an Indo-European people other than a language family which has nothing to do with genetics, history etc. Unless you are going to claim that an Sri Lankan has any relationship to an Icelandic person or a Pakistani a relationship to a Spaniard or an Iranian to an Italian. Sorry to break your bubble but the average Arab has a closer genetic and historical relationship to the latter two (Spaniards and Italians) than Iranians and so have the Turkic speaking Turks. Just to make two examples.

Arabs alone let alone all Semites (not even talking about other related peoples) far exceed all the achievements of your Persians let alone other Iranian-speaking peoples. It's a joke comparison as a few ancient Semitic peoples and civilizations (who civilized you and totally influenced you on all fronts the second you appeared in history some 3000 years ago) can do the job alone.

There is Russian military presence in Mullahstan. Your Mullah's were even begging Israel during the Iraq-Iran war for help and received it. So much for "death" to Israel. Same can be said about the "Great Satan" the US.

No bases in the GCC other than US bases. France is temporarily using a UAE base for joint strikes against ISIS. This does not equal a French military base. Even if that was the case, it is quite pathetic to compare tiny states like Qatar, UAE with a supposed "superpower" that the Mullah's are ruling, lol.

Anyway nobody cares what a foreigner, an irani of all people, has to say about anything related to KSA or the Arab world for that matter. It's a joke and so is this thread and conversation (waste of time) for all to see.

All these numbers are facts, gcc exports 6 times more oil than Iran and 8 times more gas. There might be some changes recently, but overall these numbers are correct. This is main cause of the high GDP per capita from GCC countries.

Like China, We will never choose money and puppetry over independence and over our foreign policy being decided for us. This is one of the things I like about Iran.

Lol, you've no knowledge, Iran and Pakistan are both Indo-Iranian countries, neighbours, are related to each other by language, history, culture and a large Iranic population(pathans, baluch) lives peaceful in Pakistan together with rest of Pakistani citizens. Pakistanis appreciate persian language (Muhammad Iqbal, great poet of Pakistan wrote also persian poets). That could be said about more of the "-stans" countries (from proto-Indo-Iranian sthāna, ultimately from proto-indo-european steh/sta (to stand).

Currently, with buying out west with big contracts, and support of usa, you're still involved in Yemen war and clashes in eastern Arabia. But Iran, mainly because of its independency, has many enemies, but we smashed them and we have no war against any neighbouring country.

Arabized world has nothing to do with Indo-europeans, even not when mostly north african arabized berbers are near europe with geography and any relation between this so called arabs and indo-europeans is not due to common ancestors. You can't change the fact that we're part of the huge indo-european world and population and you not.

Wild semites who copied sumerians are nothing compared to literally Indo-european world and the total contribution of indo-europeans to the world, including that of Indo-Iranians branch who made todays nummeral system for the science.

Mullahs forced Israel to give us weapons by kidnapping some westerners by hezbollah. Totally different than establishing military base.

And finally:
"Russia doesn't have a military base (in Iran), we have good cooperation, and on a case by case basis, when it is necessary for Russians fighting terrorism to use Iranian facilities, we will make a decision," said Zarif.

The world is mentioning Iran everyday, but no one cares about opinion of Iranians?

 

[The SC]

The world is mentioning Iran everyday, but no one cares about opinion of Iranians?

This is not the best way for Iran to be mentioned:

Yesterday news:

# Trump to Iran: you will see a very strong response!

US President Trump: Iran is not committed to the nuclear agreement and I think you will see a very strong reaction

# Sky_News News

 

[raptor22]

In Arabic it is "Walyo Al Amr"..It can be the king, the Khalifa or the ruler..Imam in Arabic is used for the Imam of a mosque or the one who leads the prayer..

What about Quran? and in Arabic is Imam ... and how on earth following king, the Khalifa or the ruler would be equal with we would die the death of one belonging to the days of Jaahiliyyah ... you mean a ruler like Saddam which gassed his people is equal with Islam?

 

[The SC]

What about Quran? and in Arabic is Imam ... and how on earth following king, the Khalifa or the ruler would be equal with we would die the death of one belonging to the days of Jaahiliyyah ... you mean a ruler like Saddam which gassed his people is equal with Islam?

Read what the Prophet ﷺ has said..and if rebellion is to shake the stability of the nation..the ruler should take appropriate action.. although I am not for the chemical weapons use against the Kurds.. only God knows what they have done or intended to do in Iraq to deserve that.. that order from Saddam was not inline with Islam, but who knows what the Kurds intended to do? if it was not inline with Islam either then it was justified.. if not, then Saddam was wrong and his orders should have not been followed..

 

[raptor22]

Read what the Prophet ﷺ has said..and if rebellion is to shake the stability of the nation..the ruler should take appropriate action.. although I am not for the chemical weapons use against the Kurds.. only God knows what they have done or intended to do in Iraq to deserve that.. that order from Saddam was not inline with Islam, but who knows what the Kurds intended to do? if it was not inline with Islam either then it was justified.. if not, then Saddam was wrong and his orders should have not been followed..

One of the main differences btw our Sunni brothers and Shia is this .. Sunni believe they should follow ruler whomever he is and no matter what he does but Shia do believe that governing belongs to God, prophet (pbuh) and those they have ordered us to follow ... surly Saddam or any tyrant/king/ruler doesn't deserve to be followed. and nothing could justify usage of CW against innocents ...

The narration you mentioned says
" One who defected from obedience (to the Amir (ruler)) if he died in that state he would die the death of one belonging to the days of Jaahiliyyah "
How on earth if people don't follow their Amir there would not be Muslim? what prophet meant is righteous person not every Tom, Dick and Harry ....

The narration:

"He who dies without knowing the Imam of his time, dies the death of (the days of) ignorance (Jahiliyya)." – Prophet Muhammad (SAWA).
​

The above hadith is found in the authoritative books of both the Shi'ites and Sunnis, including Sahih Bukhari and Musnad Ibn Hanbal.
Death (the days of) ignorance means you die not as Muslim which means you don't believe in God/prophet/hear after/Angels/Quran etc ... it means the ruler which we ought to know is equal to all of them ... whomever doesn't know Imam of his time is like he doesn't know God/prophet/hear after/Angels/Quran ... sure Saddam or king of Saudi or other rulers in the region are not meant.

 

[The SC]

One of the main differences btw our Sunni brothers and Shia is this .. Sunni believe they should follow ruler whomever he is and no matter what he does but Shia do believe that governing belongs to God, prophet (pbuh) and those they have ordered us to follow ... surly Saddam or any tyrant/king/ruler doesn't deserve to be followed. and nothing could justify usage of CW against innocents ...

The narration you mentioned says
" One who defected from obedience (to the Amir (ruler)) if he died in that state he would die the death of one belonging to the days of Jaahiliyyah "
How on earth if people don't follow their Amir there would not be Muslim? what prophet meant is righteous person not every Tom, Dick and Harry ....

The narration:

"He who dies without knowing the Imam of his time, dies the death of (the days of) ignorance (Jahiliyya)." – Prophet Muhammad (SAWA).
​

The above hadith is found in the authoritative books of both the Shi'ites and Sunnis, including Sahih Bukhari and Musnad Ibn Hanbal.
Death (the days of) ignorance means you die not as Muslim which means you don't believe in God/prophet/hear after/Angels/Quran etc ... it means the ruler which we ought to know is equal to all of them ... whomever doesn't know Imam of his time is like he doesn't know God/prophet/hear after/Angels/Quran ... sure Saddam or king of Saudi or other rulers in the region are not meant.

And who is the Imam of his time? and what time?
Sunni people believe only in God and the prophet's Sira and Sunna or his way of thinking and his way of life.. why complicate things because Abu bakr got the Khilafa and not Ali.. there was a council of the prophet's closest friends who made the choice..
As for Saddam, he got what he deserved for his actions.. but to compare the Saudi rulers to him is going much too far from reality.. just remember that the Saudi family (the ruling ones) are well versed in Islam too and have Islamic councils they consult with all over the world.. So as much as I have respect for Iranian religious scholars, I expect the same from rational and anti-sectarian brothers in Islam towards the Sunni scholars.. The fact is Islam is one, so let's leave the interpretations if not speculations to be discussed between specialized people..

 

[Serpentine]

Saudi soldier in mosque chanting slogans against Shias that exactly represents those of ISIS. Please keep in mind he is not referring to armed groups, he is directly addressing Shias, calling them dogs.

If you close your eye and listen, you won't know the difference between between an ISIS member and Saudi soldier. Not that you should be surprised since we know where ISIS originates from.

https://twitter.com/x/status/895424584039714816

 

[raptor22]

And who is the Imam of his time? and what time?
Sunni people believe only in God and the prophet's Sira and Sunna or his way of thinking and his way of life.. why complicate things because Abu bakr got the Khilafa and not Ali.. there was a council of the prophet's closest friends who made the choice..
As for Saddam, he got what he deserved for his actions.. but to compare the Saudi rulers to him is going much too far from reality.. just remember that the Saudi family (the ruling ones) are well versed in Islam too and have Islamic councils they consult with all over the world.. So as much as I have respect for Iranian religious scholars, I expect the same from rational and anti-sectarian brothers in Islam towards the Sunni scholars.. The fact is Islam is one, so let's leave the interpretations if not speculations to be discussed between specialized people..

Show me one time in the history of Prophets or in the Quran that any prophet or any successors were ever chosen by prophet's closest friends ... there is no .... and as Prophet asked us all Muslims should follow 2 things to not go astray Quran and the household as it is mentioned in all Sunni and Shia major books ....
And it is not interpretation it's what God and his prophet asked us ...
I asked one Q and then leave you :

base on this narration:

"He who dies without knowing the Imam of his time, dies the death of (the days of) ignorance (Jahiliyya)." – Prophet Muhammad (SAWA).​

Who was Imam of Fatima Al zahra (sa)? daughter of the Prophet .. she lived 3 months after the Prophet and she had to have an Imam or as you call it ruler ... who was he?

 

[The SC]

Show me one time in the history of Prophets or in the Quran that any prophet or any successors were ever chosen by prophet's closest friends ... there is no .... and as Prophet asked us all Muslims should follow 2 things to not go astray Quran and the household as it is mentioned in all Sunni and Shia major books ....
And it is not interpretation it's what God and his prophet asked us ...
I asked one Q and then leave you :

base on this narration:

"He who dies without knowing the Imam of his time, dies the death of (the days of) ignorance (Jahiliyya)." – Prophet Muhammad (SAWA).​

Who was Imam of Fatima Al zahra (sa)? daughter of the Prophet .. she lived 3 months after the Prophet and she had to have an Imam or as you call it ruler ... who was he?

It was Abu Bakr (RA) who took the khilafa..
Who put him there if yoo think there was no council of Ahl Al byt?

 

[Muhammed45]

It was Abu Bakr (RA) who took the khilafa..
Who put him there if yoo think there was no council of Ahl Al byt?

You guys may end this religious debate or i will report you both.

We have enough enemies to deal with.

Ale-Saud regime is horn of Satan and they have nothing to do with Rashidun RA or Imams AS.

End it !

 

[Baba Google]

You guys may end this religious debate or i will report you both.

We have enough enemies to deal with.

Ale-Saud regime is horn of Satan and they have nothing to do with Rashidun RA or Imams AS.

End it !

Come on, let 'em explain their points... its starting to get interesting now, im watching it closely

 

[Muhammed45]

Come on, let 'em explain their points... its starting to get interesting now, im watching it closely

They can read this book : "The nights of Peshawar" or "Peshawar nights"

In that book Sunni ans Shia Alems have done this debate guess how did it end