Saudi soldiers desecrate Shiite mosque

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

A lot. There are 20 million Arabs in Europe and the Arab world is a direct neighbor of Europe. In fact Europe's largest neighbor by far. Ancient historical ties as well. Almost a 1000 year old direct Arab presence too in most of Southern Europe.

In Indonesia there is a 5 million big Arab-Indonesian community from mainly Yemen and Hijaz. Cultural, religious, linguistic, cuisine and long historical ties dating back millennia due to trade. Saudi Arabians of Indonesian/South East Asian origin are also one of the largest expat communities and 100.000's of Hijazis (citizens) have partial South East Asian ancestry.

As for Afghanistan and Pakistan (South Asia as a whole) the ties are 5000 + years old and similarly deep on many fronts.

Trade and cultural links between ancient India and Arabia date back to third millennium BC.[1]

1. Heptulla, Nejma. Indo-West Asian relations: the Nehru era. Allied Publishers, 1991. ISBN 9788170233404.

Even more today where the same GCC hosts the largest expat communities of those countries and where 1000's upon 1000's of intermarriages have taken place just in the recent few years.

"Wahhabi" uprising. Are you drunk or under the influence of Iranian heroin?

So what? That is the ground reality of Afghanistan. It is a native Pashtun movement based on Pashtunwali before anything else. Which is why Taliban, here, almost 30 years after, still controls most of Afghanistan. BTW you are writing this on a Pakistani forum. I hope you understand the irony of this.

The Guardian. Great source. Funnily enough the governments of those countries do not agree with those nonsense theories. Not a single terrorist attack has been committed by a Saudi Arabian in Europe ever. Or the West for that matter outside of 15 9/11 hijackers (most of Yemeni origins) despite 1-2 millions of Saudi Arabian students in the West since the 1960's.

There are also non-arabs in Arab countries, so all non-arabs have right to be involved in gcc affairs
There is coca cola and Pepsi (al-bibsi), that's why usa is involved in gcc.
and 500-4000 years ago all nations had ties, like nowadays, so this ancient stupid nonsense is no argument to give ONLY the saudis the right to be involved in non-arab countries like India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Aghanistan, and at the same time protesting when those countries or Iranians are involved with regional countries (arab or not arab).

Tell me how you call the uprising and the beheading of 1500 Iraqi soldiers while yelling allah akbar and waiving isis flags?you call it Iraqi secular-democratic protests?

100s of sources are writing about salafism and where it supports come from, don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Arab saudie should have nuclear power otherwise you guys shall live always under israel shadow.....................A call from chinese brother

 

[Saif al-Arab]

There are also non-arabs in Arab countries, so all non-arabs have right to be involved in gcc affairs
There is coca cola and Pepsi (al-bibsi), that's why usa is involved in gcc.
and 500-4000 years ago all nations had ties, like nowadays, so this ancient stupid nonsense is no argument to give ONLY the saudis the right to be involved in non-arab countries like India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Aghanistan, and at the same time protesting when those countries or Iranians are involved with regional countries (arab or not arab).

Tell how you call the uprising and the beheading of 1500 Iraqi soldiers while yelling allah akbar and waiving isis flags?you call it Iraqi secular-democratic protests?

100s of sources are writing about salafism and where it supports come from, don't shoot the messenger.

Samoans and Papuans also have a right to comment on affairs in Saudi Arabia and Belarus if they want to. Never said otherwise. I asked what your agenda was and why you cared. However I should not have done so as it is obvious what the agenda is and what your likes (enemies of the Arab nation) are up to.

Far from all. The fact of the matter is that the Arab world, Arabia included, has deep ties to Europe and is not far from Europe geographically. In fact most Southern Europeans are descendants of Neolithic farmers that lived in modern-day Arab world (Levant, Arabia, Mesopotamia) 12.000 years ago. The people who invented farming and spread it to Europe eventually. Europe's largest neighbor is the Arab world (by far). There are almost as many Arabs in Europe and people of Arab ancestry as there are Kurds in the world.

Same story with Indonesia and South Asia. So you were countered by historical facts when you attempted to make it sound like there were no ties when they are larger than most ties with regions across the world.

This also exists in iran. I think it is called Piiiiipsiiii there.

Difference is that those people are not our enemies while Mullah supporters and those that are against Arabs, are. You obviously, despite the obsession about events in the Arab world, belong to that group most likely.

No, I call that a tiny minority of Iraqi Sunni Arabs using religion to get even or to cause harm to their sectarian rivals after years of failed Al-Maliki policies and a few years (fresh in memory) after the most recent civil war where a lot of killings took place. No such thing as "Wahhabi" and those actions have nothing to do with that movement. If that was the case there would be no Shias in KSA yet they are present in every province. Not only that all Shia sects are present natively unlike all other Muslim countries.

You better go worry about your small, sanctioned and impoverished iran and the Arab Mullah's that rule it.

Your blabbering has nothing to do with the topic. So carry on. We know about the obsession. Even @SALMAN F noticed it.

BTW whether you like it or not, those few terrorists have been dealt with and locals are rejoicing. Similarly they will have a new neighborhood with improved living standards and full compensation.

 

[The SC]

Both bahrani and saudi and even Iraqi shias have democratic tendencies which I respect, they don't agree with wahabi/salafi idea of respecting the leader/ruler (whoever it might be)/not rising up against the ruler.
I truely believe that any anti-salafist force should be encouraged, armed or peaceful.

The Messenger of Allah said, “Hear and obey (the ruler), for they will bear responsibility for that entrusted to them, and you for that entrusted to you”. Recorded by Muslim

The Messenger of Allah said, “You must hear and obey (the ruler) both in your hardship and your ease and with regard to what pleases you and what you dislike and even if you do not get your due”. Recorded by Muslim

The Messenger of Allah said, “Hear and obey even if a, Abyssinian slave with a head like a raisin is appointed over you”. Recorded by Bukhari

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The Prophet said, ‘‘The person must obey in whatever he loves, and in whatever he hates, in ease and in hardship, in willingness and un-willingness; except if he is commanded to disobey Allah. So if he is commanded to disobey Allah, then he should not listen, not should he obey.’’ Recorded by Bukhari

Shaykh As-San’aani said in his explanation of the hadeeth of Abu Hurairah, raised to the Prophet (who is reported to have said), “One who defected from obedience (to the Amir (ruler)) and separated from the main body of the Muslims, if he died in that state he would die the death of one belonging to the days of Jaahiliyyah (i.e. would not die as a Muslim). Saheeh Muslim, Book 20, # 4555, English Translation.

 

[SALMAN F]

why al dub al dasher nickname

Some Saudis call him that because he is kind of huge and in Iraq they call muqtada mangholi because of the selly things he say

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Samoans and Papuans also have a right to comment on affairs in Saudi Arabia and Belarus if they want to. Never said otherwise. I asked what your agenda was and why you cared. However I should not have done so as it is obvious what the agenda is and what your likes (enemies of the Arab nation) are up to.

Far from all. The fact of the matter is that the Arab world, Arabia included, has deep ties to Europe and is not far from Europe geographically. In fact most Southern Europeans are descendants of Neolithic farmers that lived in modern-day Arab world (Levant, Arabia, Mesopotamia) 12.000 years ago. The people who invented farming and spread it to Europe eventually. Europe's largest neighbor is the Arab world (by far). There are almost as many Arabs in Europe and people of Arab ancestry as there are Kurds in the world.

Same story with Indonesia and South Asia. So you were countered by historical facts when you attempted to make it sound like there were no ties when they are larger than most ties with regions across the world.

This also exists in iran. I think it is called Piiiiipsiiii there.

Difference is that those people are not our enemies while Mullah supporters and those that are against Arabs, are. You obviously, despite the obsession about events in the Arab world, belong to that group most likely.

No, I call that a tiny minority of Iraqi Sunni Arabs using religion to get even or to cause harm to their sectarian rivals after years of failed Al-Maliki policies and a few years (fresh in memory) after the most recent civil war where a lot of killings took place. No such thing as "Wahhabi" and those actions have nothing to do with that movement. If that was the case there would be no Shias in KSA yet they are present in every province. Not only that all Shia sects are present natively unlike all other Muslim countries.

You better go worry about your small, sanctioned and impoverished iran and the Arab Mullah's that rule it.

Your blabbering has nothing to do with the topic. So carry on. We know about the obsession. Even @SALMAN F noticed it.

BTW whether you like it or not, those few terrorists have been dealt with and locals are rejoicing. Similarly they will have a new neighborhood with improved living standards and full compensation.

your wahabi/salafist agenda which works on blood by beheading as fuel is good, but my agenda is bad and against arabs. Saudi is killing yemeni kids and sending wahabi zombies to front to kill syrians and Iraqis, but my agenda is bad and against arabs. Saudi blocks food to qatar during Ramadan and blocks Qatari flights, but my agenda is bad and against arabs.

Your deep ties or that some camel transported wood to europe 4000 years ago together with a neolothic ape-man who abused the camel during the boring journey totally don't matter for todays politics.

Whole world is obsessed with arab world as you know today. Many armies, interests clash there, so I'm not the only one absessed. American, French forces are more obsessed (stationed in gcc), they are present there.

And talking about size of countries, what really matters is the size of arable/cultivated land by country, so deserts/frozen waters/non-habitable areas don't count, are of no importence in long term, my ancient friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_statistics_by_country
As you see even little Greece is in better situation when it comes to land compared to saudi arabia

 

[SALMAN F]

And as you witnessed I said the same about the smiling reformist Javad Zarif shaking hands with Salman. Many non-muslims even in west are attacking salafism, saudi policies in Yemen. I don't think they are acting like radical shia or doing it because of their interest in shiism.

Well Saudis, Arabs and other countries they say the same on the iranian government

If you say how can Zarif shake hands with al jubair because his countr is killing Syrians and Yemenis the Saudis would say the same about zarif and his country also involved in in the killings of Syrians and Yemenis

If you say how can zarif shake hands with member of a government that oppresses it's own citizens on sectarian bases the Saudis would say the same about al jubair shaking hands with a member of a government that is involved in oppressing its own Sunni citizens and other religious minorities

your wahabi/salafist agenda which works on blood by beheading as fuel is good, but my agenda is bad and against arabs. Saudi is killing yemeni kids and sending wahabi zombies to front to kill syrians and Iraqis, but my agenda is bad and against arabs. Saudi blocks food to qatar during Ramadan and blocks Qatari flights, but my agenda is bad and against arabs.

Your deep ties or that some camel transported wood to europe 4000 years ago together with a neolothic ape-man who abused the camel during the boring journey totally don't matter for todays politics.

Whole world is obsessed with arab world as you know today. Many armies, interests clash there, so I'm not the only one absessed. American, French forces are more obsessed (stationed in gcc), they are present there.

And talking about size of countries, what really matters is the size of arable/cultivated land by country, so deserts/frozen waters/non-habitable areas don't count, are of no importence in long term, my ancient friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_statistics_by_country
As you see even little Greece is in better situation when it comes to land compared to saudi arabia

Al Hasani is not Najdi or hanbali but he is sha'fie from hijaz I remember he is encouraging al mu'tazilah ideology to come back
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muʿtazila

 

[Malik Alashter]

Al Hasani is not Najdi or hanbali but he is sha'fie from hijaz I remember he is encouraging al mu'tazilah ideology to come back
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muʿtazila

If sunnis convert to Mutazila it would be a win for the Islam no doubt.

 

[SALMAN F]

If sunnis convert to Mutazila it would be a win for the Islam no doubt.

Both Sunni and Shia fiqh need to be reformed

 

[Saif al-Arab]

your wahabi/salafist agenda which works on blood by beheading as fuel is good, but my agenda is bad and against arabs. Saudi is killing yemeni kids and sending wahabi zombies to front to kill syrians and Iraqis, but my agenda is bad and against arabs. Saudi blocks food to qatar during Ramadan and blocks Qatari flights, but my agenda is bad and against arabs.

Your deep ties or that some camel transported wood to europe 4000 years ago together with a neolothic ape-man who abused the camel during the boring journey totally don't matter for todays politics.

Whole world is obsessed with arab world as you know today. Many armies, interests clash there, so I'm not the only one absessed. American, French forces are more obsessed (stationed in gcc), they are present there.

And talking about size of countries, what really matters is the size of arable/cultivated land by country, so deserts/frozen waters/non-habitable areas don't count, are of no importence in long term, my ancient friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_statistics_by_country
As you see even little Greece is in better situation when it comes to land compared to saudi arabia

Still high on iranian heroin I see.

You were ridiculed as usual by me and my use of historical facts. Obviously those historical facts seem to hurt you deeply. You must be talking about your (to this day) impoverished entity as the Arab world is home to the oldest and most significant ancient civilization which our ancestors created. Having ancestors who colonized much of the Eurasian continent by introducing farming and civilization as far back as 10.000 BC is no small feat either.

That has always been the case as the Arab world is the cradle of civilization, the geographic center of the world and one of the most wealthy and strategic regions of the world and moreover home to the holy sites of the 2 most influential and numerous religions in history. Of course it is an important region.

No French though. Americans, yes, but they are present everywhere expect for a few failed countries or highly irrelevant ones. In fact they used to be very much present in your entity not long ago. Today this rule has been overtaken by Russia.

KSA is also entirely self-sufficient in agriculture and food and was that (one of the largest exporters of wheat and other important product) as late as the 1980's. However that is a stupid policy for any Middle Eastern country so investing in cheap land abroad or buying cheaper from abroad (cheaper than the costs of being 100% self-sufficient or close to) is better on the long run.

That data is nonsense BTW. Land is what matters. With technology (irrigation) and water desalination, KSA could become one of the future agriculture hubs in the world once again like it was for millennia in ancient times when Arabia was one of the most fertile areas which it will become once again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34170798

BTW I did not know that your entity was Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or Congo. In other words a jungle. I thought that it was one of the most dry countries in the world facing a water crisis.

http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.p...h-afghanistan&catid=4:iran-general&Itemid=109

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/13/c_136441607.htm

For instance persian heartlands of iran are even drier than Najd! Rainfall in cities such as yazd and isfahan are 2-3 times lower than in Riyadh. Some nice persian jungles!

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Well Saudis, Arabs and other countries they say the same on the iranian government

If you say how can Zarif shake hands with al jubair because his countr is killing Syrians and Yemenis the Saudis would say the same about zarif and his country also involved in in the killings of Syrians and Yemenis

If you say how can zarif shake hands with member of a government that oppresses it's own citizens on sectarian bases the Saudis would say the same about al jubair shaking hands with a member of a government that is involved in oppressing its own Sunni citizens and other religious minorities

I critisized immoral contact (handshaking) of zarif, al-sadr with salman. However fortunately shaking hand/meeting does not mean that they back saudi position in Yemen.

The saudis can say whatever about Iran, but facts are clear:
1. In case of Yemen:No Iranian presence in Yemen, no soldiers, no tanks, no jets. Only few times alleged weapon smuggling, while west is selling billions of arms to saudi. Further: Houthis are an independent force, Iran even discouraged them from seizing Sanaa in September 2015.

2. You didnt mention Iraq, but I'll mention Iraq and Syria together because this is one of the main arguments of saudis against Iran. Iranian role/support was asked by the governments of these countries. Saudi was never invited. By suffering of all Iraqis and Syrians in these civil wars, the positive outcomes were that genocides against certain groups (alawites, yezidis, shias, christians, sunni secularists/pro-government sunnis) were prevented and also "somalization" of these countries were prevented. So there is a balance of both bad and good results. If Saudi could decide the fate, the results would be purely bad.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I critisized immoral contact (handshaking) of zarif, al-sadr with salman. However fortunately shaking hand/meeting does not mean that they back saudi position in Yemen.

The saudis can say whatever about Iran, but facts are clear:
1. In case of Yemen:No Iranian presence in Yemen, no soldiers, no tanks, no jets. Only few times alleged weapon smuggling, while west is selling billions of arms to saudi. Further: Houthis are an independent force, Iran even discouraged them from seizing Sanaa in September 2015.

2. You didnt mention Iraq, but I'll mention Iraq and Syria together because this is one of the main arguments of saudis against Iran. Iranian role/support was asked by the governments of these countries. Saudi was never invited. By suffering of all Iraqis and Syrians in these civil wars, the positive outcomes were that genocides against certain groups (alawites, yezidis, shias, christians, sunni secularists/pro-government sunnis) were prevented and also "somalization" of these countries were prevented. So there is a balance of both bad and good results. If Saudi could decide the fate, the results would be purely bad.

I think you should take your medicine irani and worry about your yazd, isfahan, tajikistan, kabul, tora bora and similar matters as there should be a limit to nonsense even on PDF. Beautiful and ancient Syria, Iraq, Yemen etc. is not for your likes to discuss.

Well Saudis, Arabs and other countries they say the same on the iranian government

If you say how can Zarif shake hands with al jubair because his countr is killing Syrians and Yemenis the Saudis would say the same about zarif and his country also involved in in the killings of Syrians and Yemenis

If you say how can zarif shake hands with member of a government that oppresses it's own citizens on sectarian bases the Saudis would say the same about al jubair shaking hands with a member of a government that is involved in oppressing its own Sunni citizens and other religious minorities


Al Hasani is not Najdi or hanbali but he is sha'fie from hijaz I remember he is encouraging al mu'tazilah ideology to come back
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muʿtazila

This thread is a nonsense thread. Nothing to do with sect either. It is about cleaning terrorists/hooligans/criminals that have inflicted harm and suffering to locals for months (if not years) of Al-Awamiyyah. They have been condemned by local Shia clerics (Twelver) ages ago and publicly. No civilians are present in that old neighborhood. No sign of even the smallest unrest anywhere else in that region.

Al-Awamiyyah has long had a reputation of being a hub of crime in KSA. Shias from neighboring towns have a negative view of that community too. Just ask some locals or read what is being written on forums, social media and what is written in Arab media.

Most anti-House of Saud individuals in KSA and among the diaspora are Sunnis. Whether Islamists or non-Islamists. Whether inside KSA or in the Arab world or West/East.

In fact the Shia community in the Eastern Province has good ties with the House of Saud and local governors. Been the case for many decades. In fact the House of Saud is originally from Eastern Arabia and not Najd.

1) They have killed innocent locals (sect does not matter here but they were Shia like that little boy)

2) They have been killing expats and construction workers minding their own business and who were working to improve their neighborhood.

3) They have been killing a few police (local ones too or from the Eastern Province - obviously there is not police from Riyadh 1000 km away, Al-Jawf 1500 km away or Jeddah 2000 km away (almost), for instance.

4) They have been condemned by the local community, including the religious community ages ago.

5) We are talking about 1 neighborhood in 1 city (Al-Awamiyyah) the size of 25.000 people.

6) Number of civilians killed in those clashes can be counted on 1 hand or at most 2. With the firepower available no sane person is going to claim that they deliberately killed non-terrorists/hooligans/criminals because they could easily carpet bomb the entire village if they wanted to (in theory) within 1 hour. Not only that such a policy would be extremely counterproductive.

7) The thread starter could not care less about Saudi Arabians, Arabs, Shias, Sunnis, Muslims etc. as he has a long history of being hostile to all of those. So you were right about his strange/fake behavior. I don't like fake people who have fake agendas here hence I have no respect for his likes. If he spoke openly as I do I could have some respect for him despite disagreeing. Typical trait among his people BTW. Totally contrary to our tradition.

8) Bin Salman has made it clear that sectarianism won't be tolerated as has King Salman. Previous hardliner clerics have been either dismissed or put aside (early retirement). Any national voicing opinions that threaten the coexistence and stability of the nation, is punished and openly isolated by the society, especially during wartime.

9) KSA is not a democracy, nobody claims that, and has its problems, including with a number of sectarian individuals/communities, but it is far from widespread and actually most youth (75% of KSA's population is below 30) find sectarian remarks as a sign of backwardness. It is frowned upon too.

10) I think it is regrettable that such a situation has even been ongoing for this long in that neighborhood but hopefully the troublemakers have been dealt with for good and the next time there will be disagreements, it will be solved by dialogue and not violence. However at one point in time the state will no longer have the patience or will to remain silent and not act. The police and state could not act while young police were shot at or sometimes killed during simple patrols while nobody even attacked their neighborhood.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Still high on iranian heroin I see.

You were ridiculed as usual by me and my use of historical facts. Obviously those historical facts seem to hurt you deeply. You must be talking about your (to this day) impoverished entity as the Arab world is home to the oldest and most significant ancient civilization which our ancestors created. Having ancestors who colonized much of the Eurasian continent by introducing farming and civilization as far back as 10.000 BC is no small feat either.

That has always been the case as the Arab world is the cradle of civilization, the geographic center of the world and one of the most wealthy and strategic regions of the world and moreover home to the holy sites of the 2 most influential and numerous religions in history. Of course it is an important region.

No French though. Americans, yes, but they are present everywhere expect for a few failed countries or highly irrelevant ones. In fact they used to be very much present in your entity not long ago. Today this rule has been overtaken by Russia.

KSA is also entirely self-sufficient in agriculture and food and was that (one of the largest exporters of wheat and other important product) as late as the 1980's. However that is a stupid policy for any Middle Eastern country so investing in cheap land abroad or buying cheaper from abroad (cheaper than the costs of being 100% self-sufficient or close to) is better on the long run.

That data is nonsense BTW. Land is what matters. With technology (irrigation) and water desalination, KSA could become one of the future agriculture hubs in the world once again like it was for millennia in ancient times when Arabia was one of the most fertile areas which it will become once again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34170798

BTW I did not know that your entity was Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or Congo. In other words a jungle. I thought that it was one of the most dry countries in the world facing a water crisis.

http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.p...h-afghanistan&catid=4:iran-general&Itemid=109

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/13/c_136441607.htm

For instance persian heartlands of iran are even drier than Najd! Rainfall in cities such as yazd and isfahan are 2-3 times lower than in Riyadh. Some nice persian jungles!

As usual no arguments, but usual trolling. Yes we're so impoverished, please bomb us so that we become rich like Yemeni arabs.
Currently your irrigation technology sounds like your 3D printer plan to rebuild all destroyed buildings Yemen, Libya, Syria. Lets just be patient.
Yes there are also french present in GCC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dhabi_base
Iranian constitution and current Iran does not allow foreign forces/bases to be present in our country. Refueling of Russian fighter jets which happened only few times to bomb terrorists is different case.

Oh please saudi, don't talk about water. This is getting funny . You mentioned Isfahan and also water, we have a saying in Persian:
"arab dar biaban malakh mikhorad, sage esfahan abe yakh mikhorad"
It means, Arab eats locusts in desert, dogs in Isfahan drink cold water.
By the way, your entity is somewhere in Sudan or between the berbers haha. Start your ancient ties story my ancient friend.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

As usual no arguments, but usual trolling. Yes we're so impoverished, please bomb us so that we become rich like Yemeni arabs.
Currently your irrigation technology sounds like your 3D printer plan to rebuild all destroyed buildings Yemen, Libya, Syria. Lets just be patient.
Yes there are also french present in GCC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dhabi_base
Iranian constitution and current Iran does not allow foreign forces/bases to be prsent in our country. Refueling of Russian fighter jets which happened only few times to bomb terrorists is different case.

Oh please saudi, don't talk about water. This is getting funny .
By the way, your entity is somewhere in Sudan or the berbers haha. Start your ancient ties story my ancient friend.

Yes, writing facts throughout the entire discussion is "no arguments" in your logic. Hilarious.

Yes, you are in fact very impoverished compared to Saudi Arabians and people of the GCC. Even the average Iraqi (despite all the wars) is richer on average.

Yemeni Arabs might not be the richest but their architecture, history, landscapes, ancient artifacts are 1 million times more beautiful, respected and well-known than your likes in Tajikistan, Afghanistan and other irrelevant countries.

Actually that's very much a realistic plan and not my plan but that of the international community and scientists and experts on the field.

So what? Afghanistan is a US military base. Tajikistan a Russian client state and military base. Kurds have no country (never had any). Biggest stateless people in the world apparently. The 0.5 million Ossetians (that your likes have no genetic ties to) are Russified and part of Russia. What's left?

Congratulations. KSA does not have any foreign bases but like Iran it used to have US bases for some time.

So the French use a UAE military base after UAE permission. Using that logic KSA and Qatar have a military base in Turkey (Incirlik) and Russia in Iran.

Historical facts are historical facts. I know they hurt you however history is what it is.

As far as KSA and water goes, well, we have one of the most beautiful coastline in the world. Far more beautiful than iran and in fact any other country in the Middle East. Plenty of ground water too (in fact one of the leading in the region). Largest number of wadis in the region and biggest wadis. So don't worry about us. Along with Yemen and Oman, KSA is the country in the Middle East where the most exotic plants can grow and where practically all vegetables and fruits can grow from tropical to non-tropical ones. Including coffee, tea etc. Coffee Arabica (most famous coffee in the world). 1 such example.

As for water, I already told you that Riyadh (Najd) gets 2 times the rainfall that a persian city like yazd receives. So much for your imaginary jungles, mr. Kazakh nomad.

 

[raptor22]

I wonder what would happen if such a thing happened in Iran , no single country or human right activist writing about it ...

The Messenger of Allah said, “Hear and obey (the ruler), for they will bear responsibility for that entrusted to them, and you for that entrusted to you”. Recorded by Muslim

The Messenger of Allah said, “You must hear and obey (the ruler) both in your hardship and your ease and with regard to what pleases you and what you dislike and even if you do not get your due”. Recorded by Muslim

The Messenger of Allah said, “Hear and obey even if a, Abyssinian slave with a head like a raisin is appointed over you”. Recorded by Bukhari

==========================

The Prophet said, ‘‘The person must obey in whatever he loves, and in whatever he hates, in ease and in hardship, in willingness and un-willingness; except if he is commanded to disobey Allah. So if he is commanded to disobey Allah, then he should not listen, not should he obey.’’ Recorded by Bukhari

Shaykh As-San’aani said in his explanation of the hadeeth of Abu Hurairah, raised to the Prophet (who is reported to have said), “One who defected from obedience (to the Amir (ruler)) and separated from the main body of the Muslims, if he died in that state he would die the death of one belonging to the days of Jaahiliyyah (i.e. would not die as a Muslim). Saheeh Muslim, Book 20, # 4555, English Translation.

It's not ruler , it's Imam ...