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So beautifully written. What was your score on GRE?
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So beautifully written. What was your score on GRE?
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nice post.........
only on one saudi royal. when will justice be served on the rest of the unroyal fat family
What you on? I have seen you revelling in the ugly way that Gadaafi was killed on other posts? Would you dare to do that in front of Saif al islam, or gadaffis tribe members? I have seen you defending qadri. Would you dare in front of Taseers family and freinds? Are you inciting others to take their law into their own hands like qadri?
We are on a forum here discussing the evil ways of the Zionist saudi not so royal family.
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Al Saud: a despotic monarchy in decay
Lal Khan
At the funeral of Crown Prince Sultan we had the spectacle not only of the Saudi monarchs but most of the rulers who had flown in to attend the ceremony. Fear of the mass revolt that has been raging in the region was palpable at the gathering. The hesitation of the sick octogenarian King Abdullah and his camarilla in nominating the new crown prince reveals the lack of confidence of these rulers facing the revolt of the masses, and also the deep fissures and ferocious conflicts within the Al Saud family made up of more than 10,000 princes and princelings that are involved in the massive plunder of the country’s wealth.
The unflinching support of the US and western Imperialism for this despotic regime is a blatant refutation of their charade of ‘democracy’ and ‘human rights’. The criminal silence on the Saudi invasion and brutalities in Bahrain by the so-called ‘international community’ and the ‘free’ media shows the extreme of their hypocrisy and treachery. But after all, this pseudo-state and the monarchy were fabricated by these very imperialist powers to impose their hegemony in the region and to plunder its oil wealth. In fact, they carved out different states, most of them artificial, at the beginning of the last century. The implanted rulers used these rentier states for their own loot and extravagant lavish lifestyles.
In a plea of subservience sent to C A Kemball, the British resident in the Gulf from 1900-1904, the founder of the present ruling dynasty in Saudi Arabia, Ibn Saud, said, “May the eyes of the British government be fixed upon us and may we be considered as your protégés.” After the Treaty of Darea in 1915 with the British representative Sir Percy Cox, Ibn Saud’s realm was fundamentally reduced to the status of a British protectorate. After the capture of Hijaz in 1925, the monarchy was formally established with imperialist backing.
The Americans arrived in the 1930s. The businessman-philanthropist Charles Crane and oilman Lloyd Hamilton arrived with the ‘American invasion’ of Arabia in 1933. British business followed British colonialism, but with the Americans it was the oil companies. The American diplomats and politicians sought to initially accommodate local rulers to make money. Roosevelt did not smoke during his 1945 meeting with Ibn Saud, but the imperious Churchill would not refrain from doing so.
President Truman seconded the guarantee of the security of the royal family’s reign, originally proclaimed by President Roosevelt. This stipulation has prevailed till today. The US ceded the conduct of relations with Saudi Arabia to the oil companies. In 1947-48 the American government prevailed on ARAMCO (Arab American Oil Company) to expand its Government Relations Department and transferred crypto-diplomats and CIA agents to staff it. A tax break known as ‘The Golden Gimmick’ was awarded to the oil conglomerate. The US military base at the oil city of Dhahran was expanded. Washington-based senior CIA officials went to the Kingdom in the 1950s and advised the King on everything from the use of fly killers to hiring public relations firm Hill & Knowlton. The process is more advanced now.
Ibn Saud and his sons who have been the kings slavishly carried out the dictates of imperialism in the Middle East and the so-called Muslim countries. During the 1950s and the 1960s when there was the rise of anti-imperialist Arab nationalism and left-wing currents were growing, the Saudi regime played a counter-revolutionary role. The Saudis opposed Nasser in Egypt and the left-wing governments that came to power in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and elsewhere. They used their money to prop up Wahabi Islam, which was the precursor of modern fundamentalism, from the Middle East to South East Asia to the South Asian subcontinent. They poured money into the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) to curb the left-wing within the Palestinian movement.
This monarchy had tried to develop its own imperialist hegemony throughout the region. Said K Aburish writes in his book, The House of Saud, “Saudi actions in the Muslim world followed the same line. Pakistan was supported so long as it followed a Saudi line and did not try to act independently and lead. Pakistani president Ali Bhutto’s refusal to follow this formula saw Saudi Arabia provide his army with financial help and promises of more to overthrow him.”
Domestically it is perhaps the most brutal regime on the planet. Beheadings, amputation of limbs and summary executions without trial are being carried out to this day. The elimination of opponents can take hideous forms. King Feisal ordered 29 air force officers suspected of conspiracy to be ejected from planes without parachutes. The King of Saudi Arabia in the order of importance he assigns to his functions, is head of the Al Saud family, the prime minister and chief executive of the central government, the supreme religious Imam, custodian of the Holy Ka’aba, commander-in-chief of the armed forces and the chief justice. There is no real executive, legislative or judicial authority to question his decisions.
These monarchs are also notorious for their hedonistic lifestyles. According to the German magazine Stern, King Fahd lost around $ 20 million in one evening in Monte Carlo. Apart from numerous palaces on the ground, his flying Palace, a Boeing 747, was fitted with a sauna, a lift, chandeliers and gold bathroom fixtures, and his $ 50 million yacht was equally lavish. According to an Arab journalist the 42 sons of Ibn Saud had more than 1,400 wives.
The conditions of the masses are appalling, especially for the millions of immigrant workers from Pakistan and other Asian countries. The vicious Saudi nouveau riche labour suppliers trade mercilessly in human commodities. They are then retailed to others. Workers cannot change employment without release from the employer who imports them. The retailers charge them up to 50 percent of their salary just for visas. Sleeping in discarded shipping containers, they have no social security coverage. The sick expatriate worker is at the mercy of his employer. Women are oppressed in pre-medieval fashion. Like slave owners these bosses are callous to the nth degree.
The first political revolts came from the oil workers of ARAMCO in Dhahran in the 1950s. There have been innumerable strikes and protests unreported by the media ever since. Most were crushed in blood. Now growth and construction are rapidly declining. Military expenditure and spending on the luxury of the House of Saud are a drag on the economy. There have been budget deficits for years in spite of high oil revenues. Unemployment is rising fast.
Few predicted the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia. A revolutionary explosion in Saudi Arabia would smash the despotic monarchy and the capitalist system it is there to preserve. On this basis, the imperialist stranglehold on this region will be broken.
Lal Khan
At the funeral of Crown Prince Sultan we had the spectacle not only of the Saudi monarchs but most of the rulers who had flown in to attend the ceremony. Fear of the mass revolt that has been raging in the region was palpable at the gathering. The hesitation of the sick octogenarian King Abdullah and his camarilla in nominating the new crown prince reveals the lack of confidence of these rulers facing the revolt of the masses, and also the deep fissures and ferocious conflicts within the Al Saud family made up of more than 10,000 princes and princelings that are involved in the massive plunder of the country’s wealth.
The unflinching support of the US and western Imperialism for this despotic regime is a blatant refutation of their charade of ‘democracy’ and ‘human rights’. The criminal silence on the Saudi invasion and brutalities in Bahrain by the so-called ‘international community’ and the ‘free’ media shows the extreme of their hypocrisy and treachery. But after all, this pseudo-state and the monarchy were fabricated by these very imperialist powers to impose their hegemony in the region and to plunder its oil wealth. In fact, they carved out different states, most of them artificial, at the beginning of the last century. The implanted rulers used these rentier states for their own loot and extravagant lavish lifestyles.
In a plea of subservience sent to C A Kemball, the British resident in the Gulf from 1900-1904, the founder of the present ruling dynasty in Saudi Arabia, Ibn Saud, said, “May the eyes of the British government be fixed upon us and may we be considered as your protégés.” After the Treaty of Darea in 1915 with the British representative Sir Percy Cox, Ibn Saud’s realm was fundamentally reduced to the status of a British protectorate. After the capture of Hijaz in 1925, the monarchy was formally established with imperialist backing.
The Americans arrived in the 1930s. The businessman-philanthropist Charles Crane and oilman Lloyd Hamilton arrived with the ‘American invasion’ of Arabia in 1933. British business followed British colonialism, but with the Americans it was the oil companies. The American diplomats and politicians sought to initially accommodate local rulers to make money. Roosevelt did not smoke during his 1945 meeting with Ibn Saud, but the imperious Churchill would not refrain from doing so.
President Truman seconded the guarantee of the security of the royal family’s reign, originally proclaimed by President Roosevelt. This stipulation has prevailed till today. The US ceded the conduct of relations with Saudi Arabia to the oil companies. In 1947-48 the American government prevailed on ARAMCO (Arab American Oil Company) to expand its Government Relations Department and transferred crypto-diplomats and CIA agents to staff it. A tax break known as ‘The Golden Gimmick’ was awarded to the oil conglomerate. The US military base at the oil city of Dhahran was expanded. Washington-based senior CIA officials went to the Kingdom in the 1950s and advised the King on everything from the use of fly killers to hiring public relations firm Hill & Knowlton. The process is more advanced now.
Ibn Saud and his sons who have been the kings slavishly carried out the dictates of imperialism in the Middle East and the so-called Muslim countries. During the 1950s and the 1960s when there was the rise of anti-imperialist Arab nationalism and left-wing currents were growing, the Saudi regime played a counter-revolutionary role. The Saudis opposed Nasser in Egypt and the left-wing governments that came to power in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and elsewhere. They used their money to prop up Wahabi Islam, which was the precursor of modern fundamentalism, from the Middle East to South East Asia to the South Asian subcontinent. They poured money into the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) to curb the left-wing within the Palestinian movement.
This monarchy had tried to develop its own imperialist hegemony throughout the region. Said K Aburish writes in his book, The House of Saud, “Saudi actions in the Muslim world followed the same line. Pakistan was supported so long as it followed a Saudi line and did not try to act independently and lead. Pakistani president Ali Bhutto’s refusal to follow this formula saw Saudi Arabia provide his army with financial help and promises of more to overthrow him.”
Domestically it is perhaps the most brutal regime on the planet. Beheadings, amputation of limbs and summary executions without trial are being carried out to this day. The elimination of opponents can take hideous forms. King Feisal ordered 29 air force officers suspected of conspiracy to be ejected from planes without parachutes. The King of Saudi Arabia in the order of importance he assigns to his functions, is head of the Al Saud family, the prime minister and chief executive of the central government, the supreme religious Imam, custodian of the Holy Ka’aba, commander-in-chief of the armed forces and the chief justice. There is no real executive, legislative or judicial authority to question his decisions.
These monarchs are also notorious for their hedonistic lifestyles. According to the German magazine Stern, King Fahd lost around $ 20 million in one evening in Monte Carlo. Apart from numerous palaces on the ground, his flying Palace, a Boeing 747, was fitted with a sauna, a lift, chandeliers and gold bathroom fixtures, and his $ 50 million yacht was equally lavish. According to an Arab journalist the 42 sons of Ibn Saud had more than 1,400 wives.
The conditions of the masses are appalling, especially for the millions of immigrant workers from Pakistan and other Asian countries. The vicious Saudi nouveau riche labour suppliers trade mercilessly in human commodities. They are then retailed to others. Workers cannot change employment without release from the employer who imports them. The retailers charge them up to 50 percent of their salary just for visas. Sleeping in discarded shipping containers, they have no social security coverage. The sick expatriate worker is at the mercy of his employer. Women are oppressed in pre-medieval fashion. Like slave owners these bosses are callous to the nth degree.
The first political revolts came from the oil workers of ARAMCO in Dhahran in the 1950s. There have been innumerable strikes and protests unreported by the media ever since. Most were crushed in blood. Now growth and construction are rapidly declining. Military expenditure and spending on the luxury of the House of Saud are a drag on the economy. There have been budget deficits for years in spite of high oil revenues. Unemployment is rising fast.
Few predicted the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia. A revolutionary explosion in Saudi Arabia would smash the despotic monarchy and the capitalist system it is there to preserve. On this basis, the imperialist stranglehold on this region will be broken.
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Look what ive found while searching for Donmeh
Sabbatean Sufi similarities
Claims of ties between Sabbatean Kabbalah and Sufism go back to the days of Sabbatai Zevi.[2] This is largely based on the contention that Sevis exile into the Balkans brought him into close contact with several forms of unorthodox Sufism which existed in the region. The Dönme community of Salonika came to play a significant role in the Sufi life of the region and its members actively involved with a number of Sufi orders, particularly the Mevlevi. Some alleged similarities between Dönme and unorthodox Sufi practice seem to exist, including the violation of kashrut/halal, sexual license, ecstatic singing, mystical interpretations of sacred scripture, and the practice of ritual meals. However, confirmed direct ties between Sabbatai Zevi and any Sufi order are conjectural and hearsay. The often claimed connection between the movement and Bektashi Sufism is based merely on circumstantial evidence and coincidence rather than any concrete substantiation. During Zevis lifetime the Bektashi order had yet to attain widespread popularity in the Balkans, and it was not until the late 19th century that it came to dominate southern Albania. Nevertheless, there were a number of other heterodox Sufi movements in the region in the mid-17th century, including the Hamzevis, Melamis and Qalandars.
Sabbateans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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what do u think about it?
The Saudi Royal family is the greatest tragedy that has happened to the Muslim world, that keeps many Muslim countries hopelessly dependant on the Americans for their own political survival. There is no greater obstacle for the development of Middle eastern countries than the Saudi Royal family. They allow their land to be used as launching pads to attack neighbouring countries, their religious institutions are the #1 exporters of jihadists, they will do absolutely anything to make sure the strategic balance of the region is in their favour. Rather than use their immense foreign exchange reserves to invest in education, research and other Muslim countries that are in dire need of help, they spend tens of billions of dollars on military hardware out of this insane paranoia of some kind of imminent Iranian invasion. The Saudi Royal family must be toppled, there is no other way.
Well said. I guess its unfortunate and sad that the greatest tragedy that has happened in the Muslim world looks set to continue as the foundations at the moment are with the assistance of the west set in concrete. The hypocrisy for what these people believe in and stand for is shameful and i hope one day those blinded by the behaviour of these moronic morons have their eyes opened and see for themselves what damage these people have done to Islam.
Slightly off topic. I went when i was a teenager to a wahabi mosque that had been built with the guidance instructions and finance of the Saudis in a place called Saville Town Dewsbury in West Yorkshire. It is one of the biggest in Europe. The main preachers and teachers were of course either arbee or educated by them.
Whilst listening to a speech i was surprised to here the mullah telling us in English that a "sacrifice of life in the fight for Islam, would result in the guy being accepted into heaven immediately." At the time being young it didnt register but later on it started registering the potential and power of what he said.
Here is a guy, sponsered by you know who, in a mosque built by you know who, telling us of suicide bombers and the rewards these guys got when making sacrifices of their life. The outcome of such speeches and propaganda fed into these people can and does result in ultimate and consequential damage. To actually stand up and say that you feel or think this isnt right is perhaps unwise in their presence as you are made to feel you have questioned the ethics of Islam. It is unfortunate and yet true.
Wahibis are burning the candle at both ends and their hypocrisy is their for all to witness
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Your arguments are weak because Prophet himself originated from a Hebrew tribe which Arabized. The most dangerous people are those who write and propagate such manipulative conspiracy theories. The so called "Iraqi" intelligence reports is not work a crack, they are known to have centuries long vandetta against the tribes of central Arabia. Remember the Abassid revolt against the Omayyad in collaboration with the real "crypto-jews" claiming themselves as lover of Prophet family??
Now that we know Quraish followed a pagan religion, we may as well argue that Prophet (SAW) had pagan (astagfiruallah) roots???
According to traditional legends, Arab lineages allegedly originate from three groups:
1. Perished Arabs (العرب البائدة: These are the ancients of whose history little is known. They include ‘Ad, Thamûd, Tasam, Jadis, Imlaq and others.
2. Pure Arabs (العرب العاربة
3. Arabized Arabs (العرب المستعربة
And everyone fails to notice the underscored fact that this "gay" prince is being sheltered in the freedom of west, or else execution awaits him in KSA. Once he is released on bail and granted assylum in the west, he will be actively campaigning for homo rights in the Arabian peninsula sponsered by British government.
Can someone post more info on authenticity of this so called "Saudi Prince". He seems to be one of the thousands of illegitimate princes scattered around the world as a consequence of Abdul Aziz peace deals with various tribes. His "princehood" may just be limited to the right of bearing the title as one of the offspring of Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud.
He is obviously referring to an armed fight during war time for the cause of Islam and Muslims. Nowhere did he make mention of "sucide bombing". Infact wahabi doctrine has always called against suicide bombing and has promoted taking part in an active resistance by diplomacy or weapons if necessary. Take off the paranoid glasses. The biggest promoters of suicide bombing has always been the cryto jews living next door to Saudi Arabia.
And you forget a whole bunch of dictators who have shed or still shedding Muslim blood on daily basis for nothing other than in the name of Islam to satisfy their personal greeds.
Ok my friend lets assume that everything you say is correct. Forget what people say lets just look at today and actions today. It is said that actions speak louder than words. I assert that if the Saudis refused to accept the US dollar for their oil the US dollar would lose reserve currency status in the world. Overnight the americans would not be able to afford fuel for their planes. They would not be able to do what they do now and that is print on a piece of paper dollar and exchange that dollar for resources whether that be oil from saudi or chinese exports. Israel could not exist two months without assistance from America. Americans and Israelis weapons are responsible for killing innocent muslims of all denominations from pakistan to libya. Saudis could stop this they dont. What conclusion would anyone draw from this? The conclusion I come to is that Saudis contrary to their public proclamations they support america and zionists and are therefore at least indirectly responsible for killing my brothers. How can you even think to say abything to defend Saudis and their hedonistic lifestyle at the expense of innocent children and women that are just registerd as collateeral damage that dont even make the headlines?
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The cosequence of that could be another hiroshima. Nowhere it says in islam to take foolish decision. Diplomacy and deception with the enemy to weaken it within before attacking it is a far more clvever strategy. GCC common currency is a reality in near-future. Changes do not happen over night. King Faisal engaged in such reactive politics and the Muslim world lost a capable leader. The Zionist axis has grown overly powerful since the end of WW2 and there is no point clashing with them. Weaking them from inside is a much smarter strategy. It is an accomplishment at least in part to Al-Sauds that today we are seeing rapid propagation of Islam in the Europe, which is enough to blow their nights of peaceful sleep and Muslim minorities even at 1% in Switzerland, Denmark and Norway are vocal enough to be heard on international scale.
As much as you are sympathic to the Palestinean plight, the entire arab world agrees that the Palestineans themselves are responsible for their plight our of political foolies and greed. Arab nationalism gave birth to Israel because the greedy Hashmite exchange Arab land for Hashmite throne. Therefore, the Arabs have issued a common consession to neither natrualize the Palestineans in their migrated countries nor accecpt them as permenant residents or assylum seeks once Palestine has acheive statehood.
Perhaps a lesson in proper arab history can help you. Implying from you name, I am suspicious of another Al-Quds propaganda mouthpiece here.
The Al Saud regime is following a steady and peaceful course of diplomacy, negotiation, education and development which is very much in line with Prophet (SAW) teaching.
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