Saudi Program Calls for Gender-Mixing, No Prayer Closure

[The SC]

lakum dinukum waliyadin

Wow..now you are taking yourself for Allah (SWT) and his prophet.. and ignoring his true message in the Quran..

 

[EasyNow]

I wish MBS the best, he is not taking KSA from one extreme to another , he is bringing it back to the middle!

In every normal society women are allowed to work alongside men, why not KSA? It is not going to be the end of Islam.

Ps. no where does it say anything about mixed prayers, nothing MBS has proposed is against Islam.

 

[The SC]

lakum dinukum waliyadin

Sorry to shock you..but your comment does not apply between Muslims.. in other words you can not say that to other practising Muslims from any known and accepted Madhab or sect..

You keep throwing out the phrase "ignorant assumptions" yet everything you're saying is literally...assumptions. There's no explanation of the rationale behind any of what you're saying beyond "nuh uh, you're wrong".

The KSA is a banana republic. The Crown Prince's solution to filling the coffers was to accuse a bunch of people of being "corrupt", arresting them, and then offering to let them go for a few billion dollars resulting in almost $100 billion dollars essentially extorted from people who supposedly committed bribery and corruption(and were left to be totally free if they paid).

If he was sure they were guilty, which would go through the court process and obviously result in confiscation of their funds anyway, then why was he more than happy to let them bribe their way out corruption charges. If your response is, again, going to be something about my "ignorance" or "false perception" I'd just recommend not responding at all because that's getting pretty boring and predictable.

Now you are a bit out of assumptions and right into speculations about realities on the ground.. facts are facts.. whatever you want to make of them..it does not change that fact.. you can obviously interpret it as you like or suites your mind view..but fighting corruption is important.. and fining the corrupts is a world wild practice.. mostly when they recognise their mischiefs.. they are deterred from doing it again ..so why imprison them while most of these in the Saudi cases are CEO of big companies and conglomerates.. now you can see MBS and his consultants' genius in fining these corrupt princes, Ministers and high government officials, getting back the peoples stolen money and still taking advantage of their expertise.. while imprisoning them would have had no notable advantage for the state or the people of Saudi Arabia..BTW all the ones who did not recognise their crimes are still going through court and their cases are still being studied..
Can you see where you were wrong in your pov about facts that you seemingly do not know much about.. showing in your sad statement (as if they were your relatives!) about extortions.... my friend you are being as far from rational as the moon from Jupiter..

 

[SouI]

lakum dinukum waliyadin

Hey everyone, which language is this?

 

[Ceylal]

Politics
Saudi Program Calls for Gender-Mixing, No Prayer Closure
By
Vivian Nereim
May 5, 2018, 12:16 AM GMT+3Updated on May 5, 2018, 1:31 AM GMT+3

• Official document shows government recommendations for change
• Kingdom has already lifted ban on cinema, women driving

Female shoppers walk through the Kingdom Centre shopping mall in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on Dec. 2, 2016. Photographer: Simon Dawson/Bloomberg
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A Saudi government program to improve the quality of life in the kingdom called for the legalization of gender mixing and an end to the mandatory prayer closures for businesses, significant steps to ease social restrictions in the conservative country.



The 236-page document sent to reporters Thursday night outlining the government’s new Quality of Life Program called for lobbying to amend the laws, saying the areas “require immediate regulatory changes.”



Even a recommendation would represent a notable shift in the official rhetoric on two sticky religious issues that could spark a backlash from conservative Saudis. The items were buried on page 156 of the document and were not mentioned during a news conference to announce the program Thursday. They were removed from versions posted online later. Government officials didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.



Easing social restrictions is a key part of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s push to overhaul the oil-dependent economy and attract foreign investment. The prince’s so-called Vision 2030 seeks to encourage more women to join the workforce and has identified entertainment as one industry with strong growth prospects.




Read more: Saudi Arabia Looks to Post-Oil Age in Great Makeover: QuickTake

The government has already lifted its longstanding ban on cinemas and women driving and sponsored gender-mixed music concerts. The changes have so far provoked minimal public dissent as the government clamps down on criticism.

Prince Mohammed, in an interview with CBS News program "60 Minutes" broadcast in March, said the kingdom has “extremists who forbid mixing between the two sexes and are unable to differentiate between a man and a woman alone together and their being together in a work place.”

The document sent to reporters called for allowing the “intermingling of both genders to enhance social cohesion” and legalizing the opening of stores during prayer times, as well as the participation of women in sports in public places. It said that passing new regulations in these areas would improve citizen participation in lifestyle activities and boost investor confidence.

Shops, restaurants, cafes and even pharmacies in the kingdom are required to close several times a day in recognition of Islam’s five daily prayers.

The rules on gender segregation are more varied, with authorities sometimes enforcing separate spaces and entrances for men and women and sometimes enforcing a looser separation between “single men” and “families” -- meaning any group involving a woman. Recently, some state-sponsored events have had no gender segregation at all.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ram-calls-for-gender-mixing-no-prayer-closure


I for one congratulate the saudi government on working hard to secularize their society!

Modernism is coming in big stride to KSA..Finally, the world at large can tap some Saudi @ss, The Hadj suddenly became fun..bye bye Las Vegas..Djeddah here we cume..

 

[Politico]

Ignoring any further messages. Write as much as you want, shows you are mentally deranged and such forums give you all the power to take out your deprived nature values that you lack and blame on every one.
cheers.... go and kiss a camel and be happy

That thing believes that you're Indian

 

[Timur]

@The SC

I have to correct me, I did some big fatal Errors.. I thought you were the saif al arab guy with his agenda.. I am very very sorry to wrongly adress you with some false things (liar for excample ) you did not do.. I take back my false accusation against you.. and I hope you accept my apologies meanwhile I reported my self for this

still there are some things you should consider to be a very bad&sad thing:

"end to the mandatory prayer closures for businesses,"

distinction between openness in the limits of Islam and outright openness without limits

and the gender mixing thing

 

[denel]

That thing believes that you're Indian

that is just too too bad. not getting into the gutter filth that thing is belonging to.

 

[The SC]

@The SC

I have to correct me, I did some big fatal Errors.. I thought you were the saif al arab guy with his agenda.. I am very very sorry to wrongly adress you with some false things (liar for excample ) you did not do.. I take back my false accusation against you.. and I hope you accept my apologies meanwhile I reported my self for this

still there are some things you should consider to be a very bad&sad thing:




and the gender mixing thing

Apologies accepted.. no big deal..

The mandatory prayer closures for businesses has never been productive ..to the opposite, business services were interrupted, while there are solutions.. one of them is praying on the spot..it takes 15 minutes not one hour.. Jama'a prayer is "mandatory" only on Friday..isn't it?

As far as gender mixing is concerned, the most important factor is respect.. if the men and women as educated in a way to respect themselves, it is easy to respect others.. in the times of prophet Mohamed (ASWS), there was gender mixing in the markets and in daily life.. and I agree that it has its own risks, but in a respectful society, that risk is not more or less than without gender mixing, if some people are deviant, they will find a way to meet anyway..

 

[terry5]

Having read news of Saudi princes living in gay clubs in London over the summer and the rise of rampant homosexuality among the princes promoted by there mothers , who for most of them where/are white high class hookers from Europe I think it's a very good thing .
will also cool down the Saudi princesses and elite females who travel to Europe to fulfill there sexual needs .

Time to visit methinks and get me some Afro booty .

 

[The SC]

Having read news of Saudi princes living in gay clubs in London over the summer and the rise of rampant homosexuality among the princes promoted by there mothers , who for most of them where/are white high class hookers from Europe I think it's a very good thing .
will also cool down the Saudi princesses and elite females who travel to Europe to fulfill there sexual needs .

Time to visit methinks and get me some Afro booty .

Any news sources?

 

[denel]

Having read news of Saudi princes living in gay clubs in London over the summer and the rise of rampant homosexuality among the princes promoted by there mothers , who for most of them where/are white high class hookers from Europe I think it's a very good thing .
will also cool down the Saudi princesses and elite females who travel to Europe to fulfill there sexual needs .

Time to visit methinks and get me some Afro booty .

Entire upper echelon is desert trash.

Talal and entire entourage, al turki... There was a bbc documentary recently on House of Saud. Construction contract given to a dutch company, for 500mil$; 320mil$ was payment directly to talal. That twitching eyed evil dude... all the wealth stolen away. Just the amount of corruption is at epidemic level; this is just window dressing to appease the masses;

 

[khanmubashir]

Politics
Saudi Program Calls for Gender-Mixing, No Prayer Closure
By
Vivian Nereim
May 5, 2018, 12:16 AM GMT+3Updated on May 5, 2018, 1:31 AM GMT+3

• Official document shows government recommendations for change
• Kingdom has already lifted ban on cinema, women driving

Female shoppers walk through the Kingdom Centre shopping mall in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on Dec. 2, 2016. Photographer: Simon Dawson/Bloomberg
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A Saudi government program to improve the quality of life in the kingdom called for the legalization of gender mixing and an end to the mandatory prayer closures for businesses, significant steps to ease social restrictions in the conservative country.



The 236-page document sent to reporters Thursday night outlining the government’s new Quality of Life Program called for lobbying to amend the laws, saying the areas “require immediate regulatory changes.”



Even a recommendation would represent a notable shift in the official rhetoric on two sticky religious issues that could spark a backlash from conservative Saudis. The items were buried on page 156 of the document and were not mentioned during a news conference to announce the program Thursday. They were removed from versions posted online later. Government officials didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.



Easing social restrictions is a key part of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s push to overhaul the oil-dependent economy and attract foreign investment. The prince’s so-called Vision 2030 seeks to encourage more women to join the workforce and has identified entertainment as one industry with strong growth prospects.




Read more: Saudi Arabia Looks to Post-Oil Age in Great Makeover: QuickTake

The government has already lifted its longstanding ban on cinemas and women driving and sponsored gender-mixed music concerts. The changes have so far provoked minimal public dissent as the government clamps down on criticism.

Prince Mohammed, in an interview with CBS News program "60 Minutes" broadcast in March, said the kingdom has “extremists who forbid mixing between the two sexes and are unable to differentiate between a man and a woman alone together and their being together in a work place.”

The document sent to reporters called for allowing the “intermingling of both genders to enhance social cohesion” and legalizing the opening of stores during prayer times, as well as the participation of women in sports in public places. It said that passing new regulations in these areas would improve citizen participation in lifestyle activities and boost investor confidence.

Shops, restaurants, cafes and even pharmacies in the kingdom are required to close several times a day in recognition of Islam’s five daily prayers.

The rules on gender segregation are more varied, with authorities sometimes enforcing separate spaces and entrances for men and women and sometimes enforcing a looser separation between “single men” and “families” -- meaning any group involving a woman. Recently, some state-sponsored events have had no gender segregation at all.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ram-calls-for-gender-mixing-no-prayer-closure
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I for one congratulate the saudi government on working hard to secularize their society!

I am afraid this is all going like the shah of iran flick


And we know that ended


Extremism of both left or right is dangerous

I hope he takes a history lesson . before becoming one

 

[SouI]

I am afraid this is all going like the shah of iran flick


And we know that ended


Extremism of both left or right is dangerous

I hope he takes a history lesson . before becoming one

He is a rightist though, not a leftist. He supports capitalism and hates socialism and communism.

It is obvious by his acts. Only socialists and communists are disturbed by his acts, and I guarantee you that you will keep being disturbed!

 

[khanmubashir]

He is a rightist though, not a leftist. He supports capitalism and hates socialism and communism.

It is obvious by his acts. Only socialists and communists are disturbed by his acts, and I guarantee you that you will keep being disturbed!

U guys had such extreme one end of gov and now r getting the other end
The most his actions have disturbed r the traditionalist of his own country and he doesn't enjoy that level of control in Sa. as shah had in iran
nd if tries to get that level would only through draconian measure and would further divide and infuriate society
history

Best to keep it in moderation history lesson
I am all for moderation but not to become copy cat of west we r different society with different social fabric