Saudi nightmare comes true, Trump loses to Biden

[Microsoft]

@Falcon29 @BATMAN Thoughts?

 

[ARCH٤R]

I believe the Democrats learned something from the Gulf support to Republicans. The UAE alone is buying the media when it comes to Libya, they together can buy the Republicans the media they need.

 

[CrazyZ]

No need.

They think they are very clever. Let them face the consequences of their own actions. Let these camel jokies like Anwar Garesh (heard he is actually Indian origin) fall from grace.

GCC will play all sides. We have to adapt, isolation will get us nowhere. We should continue to work with GCC in areas of mutual interests.

 

[lafete]

There is a misconception that Nixon abolished the gold standard and the US dollar is backed by thin air. Water always finds its own level and the same goes for value.

The US dollar is backed by oil via the assistance of the gulf states. However, due to renewable energy and solar technology adoption, this system is under some threat. Something needs to be found which will underpin the global currency.

The biggest grievance the US had against Germany is that they ceded the solar industry to china via tech transfer.

Under Trump there was an attempt to save the old order. Gulf states and Israel were supposed to go after Iran. A cold war against China and battle lines drawn up in Asia - Pompeo even suggested an alliance between the US and Russia to isolate china.

If china could be made an example, the Europeans and the rest of the world would fall in line due to fear. The oil industry could be saved till something in solar tech could be found where the US has exclusive control.

This was the idea, but it was always going to be a long shot. South Australia now runs 100% on solar. Perovskite based solar cells will improve solar efficiency to 60%. Battery tech is rapidly increasing.

If Biden does a 180 degree flip, I suspect a full force attempt to improve solar technology and an effort to find a US exclusivity.

The oil price is crashing and will continue to do so. All cars are more efficient now and major countries will ban gasoline based cars in a few years. The future is electric. The gulf monarchs must be concerned.

BTW, saudis showing Kashmir as an independent country is no small thing. The saudi's will not make such a statement without merit.

After the US leaves Afghanistan (if they do) they will need to move somewhere else - you never give up an entire region. Kashmir can provide a very good base as an independent country. The US can control Pak's water, keep India in control, get closer to Tibet, etc.

 

[Aspen]

GCC will play all sides. We have to adapt, isolation will get us nowhere. We should continue to work with GCC in areas of mutual interests.

If there was any lesson we learned in past 4 years, it should be that we must abandon GCC completely. They fully sold their souls to Trump and Israel, which in my opinion is unforgivable and irredeemable. GCC are completely unreliable allies for Pakistan and have actually made Kashmir cause more difficult for us by advocating Indian narrative and putting up obstacles for us in OIC. Iran and Turkey have stood by us in tough times while GCC alienated us.

It is time to move to the future and bring Pakistan into a formalized pact between Iran, Qatar, and Turkey. GCC will only hold Pakistan back, and now is best time for Pakistan to abandon GCC as they will be severely weakened under Biden, while Iran will get stronger. Pakistan will become stronger if we take the window of next few years under Biden to increase links with Iran and China as US reduces sanctions.

 

[CrazyZ]

If there was any lesson we learned in past 4 years, it should be that we must abandon GCC completely. They fully sold their souls to Trump and Israel, which in my opinion is unforgivable and irredeemable. GCC are completely unreliable allies for Pakistan and have actually made Kashmir cause more difficult for us by advocating Indian narrative and putting up obstacles for us in OIC.

It is time to move to the future and bring Pakistan into a formalized pact between Iran, Qatar, and Turkey. GCC will only hold Pakistan back, and now is best time for Pakistan to abandon GCC as they will be severely weakened under Biden, while Iran will get stronger. Pakistan will become stronger if we take the window of next few years under Biden to increase links with Iran and China as US reduces sanctions.

We should continue to strengthen ourselves and work closely with China. GCC simply can not be ignored by Pakistan for many many reasons. I have little faith the USA will make good foreign policy decisions. Both Democrats and Republicans' have made foolish foreign policy decisions over the last 2 decades. Lets wait and see what Biden does before we make dramatic changes to our policies.

USA deep state wants conflict with China. They hate all Muslims and want to create conflict and division in ME where possible. Sunni vs Shia, Turk vs Arab vs Iranian is all good news for them. These two pillars in USA foreign policy will remain regardless of who is in the Whitehouse.

 

[HAIDER]

Europe and North America adopting electric powered vehicles at very rapid pace

 

[manga]

Core policies of nations never change no matter who is elected.
So it is stupid to think and paint everything in black and white if biden wins or trump.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Yes MBS is not considered a good man among democrats especially after Kashogi murder. Biden coming to white House definately not a good development for Saudia. Netanyahu hasn't even congratulated Biden yet while all the major leaders tweeted already. Iran may get their nuclear deal back where as Turkey will like to rebuild the ties back. Remember Pompeo was openly backed failed army coup in Turkey few years back.

 

[Aspen]

Yes MBS is not considered a good man among democrats especially after Kashogi murder. Biden coming to white House definately not a good development for Saudia. Netanyahu hasn't even congratulated Biden yet while all the major leaders tweeted already. Iran may get their nuclear deal back where as Turkey will like to rebuild the ties back. Remember Pompeo was openly backed failed army coup in Turkey few years back.

Good analysis.

Ironic that even Gantz has congratulated Biden already. Netanyahu is scared as s***.

I think US-Turkey ties is basically a pissing match of US telling Turkey to f*** off and Turkey telling US to f*** off.

 

[tower9]

SAUDIS BTFO

 

[flameboard]

What do the Saudi's have to fear?? If USA won't provide weapons.....Than KSA will buy from Russia, China or develop locally/regionally. If KSA dumps USA.....USA will lose more. Dollar was partially propped up by KSA.

Pakistan should look to reach out to KSA and GCC for more cooperation in space and weapons development.

What do the Saudi's have to fear?? If USA won't provide weapons.....Than KSA will buy from Russia, China or develop locally/regionally. If KSA dumps USA.....USA will lose more. Dollar was partially propped up by KSA.

Pakistan should look to reach out to KSA and GCC for more cooperation in space and weapons development.

Saudi is weak these days

 

[Titanium100]

If there was any lesson we learned in past 4 years, it should be that we must abandon GCC completely. They fully sold their souls to Trump and Israel, which in my opinion is unforgivable and irredeemable. GCC are completely unreliable allies for Pakistan and have actually made Kashmir cause more difficult for us by advocating Indian narrative and putting up obstacles for us in OIC. Iran and Turkey have stood by us in tough times while GCC alienated us.

It is time to move to the future and bring Pakistan into a formalized pact between Iran, Qatar, and Turkey. GCC will only hold Pakistan back, and now is best time for Pakistan to abandon GCC as they will be severely weakened under Biden, while Iran will get stronger. Pakistan will become stronger if we take the window of next few years under Biden to increase links with Iran and China as US reduces sanctions.

Your just an iranian asset you know nothing about Pakistan and GCC relations. Your just a peasant assuming things. What makes you think Biden would apply policies unfriendly towards the guardians of the petro-dollar? It would be suicidal. Your entire thread is based upon assumptions

 

[Aspen]

Your just an iranian asset you know nothing about Pakistan and GCC relations. Your just a peasant assuming things. What makes you think Biden would apply policies unfriendly towards the guardians of the petro-dollar? It would be suicidal. Your entire thread is based upon assumptions

Saudi is not as invincible as it once was.

I have no idea why Pakistanis are still living in this 2000's era reality that US needs Saudi for anything, those days are finished with the 9/11 years. Saudis are not important for US anymore. Petro dollar will only become more irrelevant under Biden's clean energy plan and US pressure on Saudi will increase.

US now has the space to pursue its interests with Iran as Saudis become more irrelevant.

If there is any Pakistani who still has any faith in GCC after Khaleeji Arabs sold their souls to Trump and Israel while throwing obstacles for Kashmir in OIC, I do not know what to say to them. Pakistan's future lies in a pact with Iran, China, and Turkey.

 

[Titanium100]

Saudi is not as invincible as it once was.

I have no idea why Pakistanis are still living in this 2000's era reality that US needs Saudi for anything, those days are finished with the 9/11 years. Saudis are not important for US anymore. Petro dollar will only become more irrelevant under Biden's clean energy plan and US pressure on Saudi will increase.

US now has the space to pursue its interests with Iran as Saudis become more irrelevant.

Lmao. Sure jen! If you wanna believe that then go ahead and do. The relations between the US and Saudi Arabia it got only stronger post-911. I don't know where you are getting your sources from but they are definitely made-up and not relieable.

Clean energy? pfft. Cars will be running on the roads for decades to come! That is a long-shoot away