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Global Research is a useless source. There is no single evidence of this ever happening. No footage. Nothing. Houthis/Saleh/allied tribes are famous for damaging civilian areas and afterwards blame the coalition. If the coalition wanted they could turn all of Yemen into rubble. Or cause 1000 times more destruction if they followed the modus operandi of the Al-Assad regime and its allies.
 
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Global Research is a useless source. There is no single evidence of this ever happening. No footage. Nothing. Houthis/Saleh/allied tribes are famous for damaging civilian areas and afterwards blame the coalition. If the coalition wanted they could turn all of Yemen into rubble. Or cause 1000 times more destruction if they followed the modus operandi of the Al-Assad regime and its allies.
How about Huffpost?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_569d094ee4b0778f46fa0c84
Saudi led coalition bombed Yemen into starvation we have a famine like situation in Yemen and you think its an Iranian conspiracy?
 
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How about Huffpost?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_569d094ee4b0778f46fa0c84
Saudi led coalition bombed Yemen into starvation we have a famine like situation in Yemen and you think its an Iranian conspiracy?

They are parroting the source of this news which is Global Research the same way that the Pakistani "news" that you quoted is parroting some low IQ Farsi Mullah drivel. There is no footage that confirms anything.

As for Yemen, KSA/Arab coalition has not bombed anything other than terrorist hideouts and has liberated 80% of Yemen from terrorist rule. Soon all of it will be liberated.

Also don't give me any speeches about Yemen. KSA has been the largest donor (BY FAR) to Yemen in the past 50 years giving 10's of billions of aid to Yemen each decade, hosts the largest Yemeni diaspora in the world and ensures Yemeni remittances that are billion dollar big on a monthly basis as well. Let alone being the greatest investor. Basically without KSA, Yemen would risk being another Somalia.

Also I don't want to waste my time explaining the Yemeni situation to you or anyone else here. You can do that research on your own.
 
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Been there since day 1 and unlike the Iraqi army and militia that lost almost 1/2 of their country to a few thousand ISIS members (and besides that have been killing each other nonstop since 2003 and even way before) they have liberated 80% of Yemen. A country bigger than Iraq and much more challenging geography wise (mountainous unlike flat landscape and desert) and against a much more heavily armed enemy in the most armed country in the world after the US. Losing less than 300 soldiers in the process.

Can't say the same about the Iraqi army/militias. If anyone is in doubt they can watch the videos that ISIS publish.

In one of their recent videos young French teenagers of Moroccan/Algerian/Tunisian ancestry with almost no military training and limited sniping skills, killed at least 30 Iraqi soldiers. The video appears to be filmed within 1 single day.

Something about stones, glass, house and all that.

When it come to mass-casualties no armies do it better than the Iraqi/Syrian "armies" of late. That's for sure. Cannon fodder reaches a whole new meaning.

Not involved in urban warfare, if urban warfare and calling for CAS there will be friendly fire. ISF actually does better than the Gulf armies.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar have supported terrorism, Wahhabism is a cancer.
 
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and you should drink some camel urine lol

or, do the common sense thing and accept that the saudi clergy's wahhabism is the root of all the "islamic" terror and that you should change it, and stop supporting al qaeda terror in Syria.

The difference here is that cow urine consumption in 1.2 billion big India is very accepted and normal while what you have mentioned is only done by a microscopic minority of Beoduins in 1 area of KSA (Najd), mostly elders, who have superstitious beliefs of this being healthy. Which there are in fact dividing opinions about in the medical world.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-17/cow-urine-can-sell-for-more-than-milk-in-india

Let me not mention all the crazy stuff that we see from India of eating rats, dead bodies and other nonsense. You are in a league of your own. KSA has the same microscopic minority eating vegetarian lizards (nothing compared to what people eat in most of Asia, Africa, even France and many other places). Otherwise Arab cuisine is world famous. India and your region of the world is in its own league when it comes to what I have mentioned above (crazy stuff). Even your Muslims are the most dumb/superstitious lot. May I refer to your Shias.

I will indeed accept that KSA is the cradle of Islam and that all its sects originate form KSA. Nor will anything change in fact Islam is on the rise everywhere and the number of Muslims increases by each minute. So keep crying.

We should wage another Jihad to conquer you tiny people. There are too many of you already and many of your kind have already adopted Islam. More to follow.
 
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KSA should apologize for funding IS and pay all victims including its own, Qatar should be taken by colonial powers.
 
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Not involved in urban warfare, if urban warfare and calling for CAS there will be friendly fire. ISF actually does better than the Gulf armies.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar have supported terrorism, Wahhabism is a cancer.

LOL. They liberated 80% of Yemen (30 million people) magically without engaging in urban warfare. In fact all the areas of Iraq that ISIS conquered (50% of the country) are flat/desert and sparsely populated. Cities such as Ramadi, Fallujah, Mosul, Tikrit etc. are surrounded by flat landscape and desert. 100 times easier than fighting in mountainous areas.

They have done better at losing 1000's upon 1000's of soldiers (if not 10.000's) in their own country. Not even a foreign country.

The only terrorists are Iranian Mullah lickers and traitors and Wilayat al-Faqih drones. A bullet is the only medicine in this case and that will one day be the medicine of this tiny cancerous minority of traitors. They have also historically been slaughtered whenever they barked too much. Mullah's will not save them this time around either if they want a full scale war. So far they have suffered tremendously from teenagers (ISIS) already.

It's an illegitimate and pathetic regime that came to power thanks to Baba America. Time for Ad-Douri to take power and deal with those traitors as was done before. KSA will support this.
 
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The difference here is that cow urine consumption in 1.2 billion big India is very accepted and normal while what you have mentioned is only done by a microscopic minority of Beoduins in 1 area of KSA (Najd), mostly elders, who have superstitious beliefs of this being healthy. Which there are in fact dividing opinions about in the medical world.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-17/cow-urine-can-sell-for-more-than-milk-in-india

Let me not mention all the crazy stuff that we see from India of eating rats, dead bodies and other nonsense. You are in league of your own. KSA has the same microscopic minority eating vegetarian lizards (nothing compared to what people eat in most of Asia, Africa, even France and many other places). India and your region of the world is in its own league when it comes to what I have mentioned above.

I will indeed accept that KSA is the cradle of Islam and that all its sects originate form KSA.
I don't care, nothing offends me, I'm still going to speak the truth about wahhabism, the root cause of all "islamic" terror.

"saudi" Arabia gives Islam a bad name, the Iranians are an enlightened society compared to "saudi" Arabia, 9/11, 99% hijackers, bin laden lol, isis ideology, boko haram ideology, all "saudi" clergy while the brinces drive around in porches and ferraris and travel to liberal Europe to indulge in drugs and homosexuality.

Pakistan should dump this useless ally.
 
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LOL. They liberated 80% of Yemen (30 million people) magically without engaging in urban warfare. In fact all the areas of Iraq that ISIS conquered (50% of the country) are flat/desert and sparsely populated. Cities such as Ramadi, Fallujah, Mosul, Tikrit etc. are surrounded by flat landscape and desert. 100 times easier than fighting in mountainous areas.

They have done better at losing 1000's upon 1000's of soldiers (if not 10.000's) in their own country. Not even a foreign country.

The only terrorists are Iranian Mullah lickers and traitors and Wilayat al-Faqih drones. A bullet is the only medicine in this case and that will one day be the medicine of this tiny cancerous minority of traitors. They have also historically been slaughtered whenever they barked too much. Mullah's will not save them this time around either if they want a full scale war. So far they have suffered tremendously from teenagers (ISIS) already.

It's an illegitimate and pathetic regime that came to power thanks to Baba America. Time for Ad-Douri to take power and deal with those traitors as was done before. KSA will support this.

You underestimate urban warfare. The US described the 2nd battle of Fallujah the heaviest urban warfare they've seen since the battle of hue city (Veitnam). Whilst they stood against a weak enemy the urban environment made it a hard fight, though that was against an insurgent group of amateurs compared of IS of today. Today they wield modern ATGW and a shitload of armored VBIED's, drones etc. The 1991 gulf war wasn't as 'tough' as the urban battles the US experienced in 2003. These wars differed completely where one required sacrifice of soldiers/marines whilst the other war (1991) rested on superior technology, more firepower and more troops.

80% of Yemen you say, most of that was never taken by the Houthis. Western (minus South west) Yemen is the most densely populated part of the country which remains in opposition hands. No wonder they took all that without engaging in urban warfare given that that wasn't even held by Houthis to start with. Aden was always against Houthis, these battles have all been fought in area's that are completely hostile to Houthis. The ISF is engaging the enemy in territory full of IS supporters or better to say, former IS fanboys who now regret they ever protested the ISF.

Saudi regime supported terrorism, Qatar is a terrorist state, this is indisputable. You may say that Iran supports armed groups which you deem as terrorists but their crimes are from from what IS does. Ad Douri's men (the Naqshabandi order, some old guys firing rockets in the desert) got rooted out by IS who they covered up for initially.

Now I want you to pay repairs to me and every Rafidi (sympathiser) in this forum for your support to IS.
 
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You underestimate urban warfare. The US described the 2nd battle of Fallujah the heaviest urban warfare they've seen since the battle of hue city (Veitnam). Whilst they stood against a weak enemy the urban environment made it a hard fight, though that was against an insurgent group of amateurs compared of IS of today. Today they wield modern ATGW and a shitload of armored VBIED's, drones etc. The 1991 gulf war wasn't as 'tough' as the urban battles the US experienced in 2003. These wars differed completely where one required sacrifice of soldiers/marines whilst the other war (1991) rested on superior technology, more firepower and more troops.

80% of Yemen you say, most of that was never taken by the Houthis. Western (minus South west) Yemen is the most densely populated part of the country which remains in opposition hands. No wonder they took all that without engaging in urban warfare given that that wasn't even held by Houthis to start with. Aden was always against Houthis, these battles have all been fought in area's that are completely hostile to Houthis. The ISF is engaging the enemy in territory full of IS supporters or better to say, former IS fanboys who now regret they ever protested the ISF.

Saudi regime supported terrorism, Qatar is a terrorist state, this is indisputable. You may say that Iran supports armed groups which you deem as terrorists but their crimes are from from what IS does. Ad Douri's men (the Naqshabandi order, some old guys firing rockets in the desert) got rooted out by IS who they covered up for initially.

Now I want you to pay repairs to me and every Rafidi (sympathiser) in this forum for your support to IS.

Iraqi militias and the wonderfully competent Iraqi army (as the entire world has seen in the past 13 years - the most founded army by outsiders) are indeed the best in the world. Fighting in a heavily mountainous country that is bigger than all of Iraq, much more armed and against a much more heavily armed adversary (an actual army in fact armed with ballistic missiles, tanks, before it fighter jets and tons of weapons), in the most armed country in the world (weapons per capita) outside of the US, is indeed a walk in the park.

Much, much harder to fight against 3500 or so ISIS members (many teenagers without any military experience as confirmed again and again) in a city with no contact to the world and with 200.000 soldiers (Peshmerga included) in completely flat terrain.

I would like to see Iraqi militias from Southern Iraq (flat and desert) fight in mountainous terrain. Something they have never done. Then we can talk.

Iraq itself is a terrorist state ruled by terrorist traitors (illegitimate regime who came to power thanks to Baba America) who are controlled by the world's biggest terrorist supporter (Farsi Mullah's) using that logic. Besides the entire leadership of ISIS and most of its fighters are Iraqis themselves. Terrorists who are aiding the biggest genocidal dictator on the planet (Al-Assad). Those 3 should all fight against each other.

Those Wilyat al-Faqih/Twelvers should stop worshipping and crying for long-dead Saudi Arabians/Arabians and instead start worshipping more Farsis than they do already. In fact they should join Iran and change their language, culture, change their names, try to create a new ancestry/identity and let the Iraqi Sunni Arabs become independent. Problem solved. Many Iraqi Sunni Arabs have called for autonomy since 2003. Kurds already have it. Same thing should be done here. Let the Shroogis concentrate on the overpopulated South. If your leaders who fought with the Mullah's against their country and countrymen can do this they can also join Iran officially and do what I have written above. Would be a very good thing. After all Iranian Arabs live wonderfully in Iran.

Ad-Douri is based in KSA. He is also supported by KSA. KSA has always supported Iraqi Sunni Arabs one way or another.

Iraqi Sunni Arabs will never accept to be a satellite state or to be ruled by sworn/historical enemies such as Farsis. Another ISIS will rise if this continues and Iraq will remain a country ruled by incompetent terrorist and traitors who are more loyal to foreign MUllah's than their own countrymen.

Many of those people should have been executed ages ago for treason for having fought against their country and countrymen.

Especially that ugly tiny midget below who probably has licked more Farsis than we can all imagine:



Looks Iranian/non-Arab. Probably explains his treacherous behavior.

Here he is with his boyfriend:



Hopefully he will soon be eliminated by patriots as other traitors.
 
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Iraqi militias and the wonderfully competent Iraqi army (as the entire world has seen in the past 13 years - the most founded army by outsiders) are indeed the best in the world. Fighting in a heavily mountainous country that is bigger than all of Iraq, much more armed and against a much more heavily armed adversary (an actual army in fact armed with ballistic missiles, tanks, before it fighter jets and tons of weapons), in the most armed country in the world (weapons per capita) outside of the US, is indeed a walk in the park.

Much, much harder to fight against 3500 or so ISIS members (many teenagers without any military experience as confirmed again and again) in a city with no contact to the world and with 200.000 soldiers (Peshmerga included) in completely flat terrain.

I would like to see Iraqi militias from Southern Iraq (flat and desert) fight in mountainous terrain. Something they have never done. Then we can talk.

Iraq itself is a terrorist state ruled by terrorist traitors (illegitimate regime who came to power thanks to Baba America) who are controlled by the world's biggest terrorist supporter (Farsi Mullah's) using that logic. Besides the entire leadership of ISIS and most of its fighters are Iraqis themselves. Terrorists who are aiding the biggest genocidal dictator on the planet (Al-Assad). Those 3 should all fight against each other.

Those Wilyat al-Faqih/Twelvers should stop worshipping and crying for long-dead Saudi Arabians/Arabians and instead start worshipping more Farsis than they do already. In fact they should join Iran and change their language, culture, change their names, try to create a new ancestry/identity and let the Iraqi Sunni Arabs become independent. Problem solved.

Fighting an army that wields tanks and uses conventional style is often far easier than fighting insurgency groups using Maneuver warfare as IS does where they strike quickly with often superior numbers against an unprepared target and make sure they disappear before reinforcements or air power arrives. This was their tactic right until mid 2014 when political interference and sabotage caused a military collapse, this collapse is better described as a political collapse rather than military failure given that the defeat was motivated by political powers.

Also IS are hardly 3500, that's probably their number in Mosul alone if not more. So far in Mosul they've deployed 600 VBIEID's meaning 600 terrorists who committed suicide, their numbers are well within range of a regular standing force well over 100K. The Mosul operation has a priority of saving civillians, if the priority was defeating IS airpower and artillery could be deployed in a much more intensive way but that would result in many civ casualties which IS keeps for human shields. A shock and awe tactic is also not a possibility here for the same reason.

The Turkish military which is regarded as a competent regional force is involved in the fight against IS, whilst limited to mostly tanks they have suffered probably over a dozen tank losses so far. Say IS was standing against them with tanks and missiles, that would be a much easier battle for them as firepower solves that problem, firepower is often no problem for state armies.

If you want to tell me that the ISF is bad a force and the Gulf state militaries are so much better let them liberate Sana'a or Taiz or any town in hostile area (hostile meaning Zaidi/Rafidi land) against a competent enemy. They have not done that even though they wield thousands of more tanks than Iraq, a far bigger air force, more equipment and a lot more money to cover operations.

The problem with giving Sunnis independence is that they don't want this, the worst thing is Kurds who want independence won't leave. I suggest secularism to all these people or anything similar that keeps religion out of state institutions, the educational sector and military. The Ummah is shit.
 
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Fighting an army that wields tanks and uses conventional style is often far easier than fighting insurgency groups using Maneuver warfare as IS does where they strike quickly with often superior numbers against an unprepared target and make sure they disappear before reinforcements or air power arrives. This was their tactic right until mid 2014 when political interference and sabotage caused a military collapse, this collapse is better described as a political collapse rather than military failure given that the defeat was motivated by political powers.

Also IS are hardly 3500, that's probably their number in Mosul alone if not more. So far in Mosul they've deployed 600 VBIEID's meaning 600 terrorists who committed suicide, their numbers are well within range of a regular standing force well over 100K. The Mosul operation has a priority of saving civillians, if the priority was defeating IS airpower and artillery could be deployed in a much more intensive way but that would result in many civ casualties which IS keeps for human shields. A shock and awe tactic is also not a possibility here for the same reason.

The Turkish military which is regarded as a competent regional force is involved in the fight against IS, whilst limited to mostly tanks they have suffered probably over a dozen tank losses so far. Say IS was standing against them with tanks and missiles, that would be a much easier battle for them as firepower solves that problem, firepower is often no problem for state armies.

If you want to tell me that the ISF is bad a force and the Gulf state militaries are so much better let them liberate Sana'a or Taiz or any town in hostile area (hostile meaning Zaidi/Rafidi land) against a competent enemy. They have not done that even though they wield thousands of more tanks than Iraq, a far bigger air force, more equipment and a lot more money to cover operations.

The problem with giving Sunnis independence is that they don't want this, the worst thing is Kurds who want independence won't leave. I suggest secularism to all these people or anything similar that keeps religion out of state institutions, the educational sector and military. The Ummah is shit.

Did not read but I believe, as I just wrote, that since the current very, very legitimate, competent and succesful Iraqi regime composed of real patriots who fought against their own country and countrymen along with foreigners (Farsi Mullah's) should do the only right thing and join Iran officially after changing their language, culture, names, forge their ancestry etc. This would be a blessing in disguise as they would then not pretend that they are more worried about Iraq than the holy cows in Iran that they worship 24/7.

This could also give the Iraqi Sunni Arabs an opportunity to have their own independent country composed of almost 2/3 of geographic Iraq (Al-Anbar, Salah-ad-Din, Diyala, Ninawa etc.) Give the dangerous and feared Wahhabis their autonomy.

After all their brethren in Al-Ahwaz are treated as lords and barons by their beloved regime so I am not sure why you are not advocating for this. After all you have adopted the Farsi Mullah narrative on every topic. You might as well yourself leave the Netherlands and settle somewhere in Iran. I suggest Qom.

Or better Arabs repopulate Iraq once again (done continuously for almost 3000 years and until very recently (150-100 years ago) when the last migration from Najd to Southern Iraq occurred - most Southern Iraqis descend from those people) and in return move all the Iraqi Shia Arabs who worship those Mullah's to Iran and replace them with Arabs from abroad be it KSA or elsewhere. Eastern Syria would also be another good solution. Or within.
 
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The problem with giving Sunnis independence is that they don't want this, the worst thing is Kurds who want independence won't leave. I suggest secularism to all these people or anything similar that keeps religion out of state institutions, the educational sector and military. The Ummah is shit.

Not too long ago you were calling Sunni Islam a poison and Shia's a superior sect and now you are doing a 360 turn. Are all Shia's like this? Do you all go from die-hard Muslims to Secularist apostates in the flick of the wrist?
 
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Not too long ago you were calling Sunni Islam a poison and Shia's a superior sect and now you are doing a 360 turn. Are all Shia's like this? Do you all go from die-hard Muslims to Secularist apostates in the flick of the wrist?

That's what too much Haidar Sumeris on Twitter and their likes can do to you.

https://twitter.com/iraqisecurity?lang=da

This guy's real name is Al-Shammari and he most likely is of Najdi descent originally. Now obsessing about his brethren 24/7, lol. Similar to the Iraqi Shia Arab leadership in fact. See Al-Maliki, Al-Abadi, Al-Jaafari etc. They even admit it themselves.

Unfortunately we have crazy people among us.

The best thing you can do to wind those cretins up is to expose them whenever they worship 1 of the 100's if not 1000's of Arabians (people originally from KSA and many of them also claim descent from those people) and their hypocrisy. The reactions are always hilarious.

Likewise whenever those Iraqi Shia Arabs/Shia Arabs in general interact with non-Arab Shias and whenever they want to claim Islamic history and Islamic personalities before those non-Arab Shias.

It's a very tragicomical example of schizophrenia among an entire group of people. Sorry, at least many of them nowadays.

Also they hate their own people (Iraqi Sunni Arabs) who are non-Mullah supporters. They would 1000 times prefer an Farsi Shia for instance or even an Atheist over their own brethren. Those are the same people who betrayed the people they now cry for 24/7 and have done for 1400 years. Nothing else to be expected from them.

Of course I am talking about the likes who follow the Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's blindly. Most Iraqi Shia Arabs are respected people that we or at least I like very much. I am talking about a specific group within them and a group that unfortunately grows in size and importance. Cannot be denied.

Let them fight ISIS for all I care but that group of people are enemies of 90% of all Arabs and most Arab countries simply due to their agenda, actions, hatred and allies. Am I supposed to cheer for traitors and people who used mass-murder people when part of militias, less than 1 decade alone? People who hate us but at the same time suffer from schizophrenia as I mentioned.

They support Al-Assad in Syria, Houthi/Saleh terrorists in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon, pro-Mullah terrorists in Bahrain etc. Cheered when the Americans invaded. Never defend Islam or Muslims abroad. Historically as well.

When they were slaughtered by Saddam due to traitorous behavior during the Iraq-Iran war and afterwards KSA was dumb enough to welcome at least 100.000 of them. After the war in 2003, despite never recognizing this illegitimate regime led by terrorists and traitors, KSA donated billions of dollars to Iraq and Southern Iraq in particular. In return they do what they do. Their reasoning is that some 2000 Saudi Arabians or so (let's say 3000 since 2003 - still nothing) went to Iraq to fight the Americans and later joined radical groups in a radical society back then. None were sanctioned by the regime. The same lot attacked people in KSA back then. Now they believe that KSA has created ISIS and is founding this without any proofs and despite this being an own goal in every way you look at it. Clowns.

Even despite the somewhat hostile relations, KSA were the first to donate billions of dollars to Iraq when ISIS took over Mosul.

1 July 2014. (Non-Saudi Arabian/Arab source)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/02/w...abia-500-million-iraq-relief-effort.html?_r=0

Not to say that they are backing the biggest genocidal murderer in this century so far while we speak. Their support is killing numerous Syrian civilians each hour. That will never be forgiven. Yet they cry about ISIS. In fact they are the same thing.

If they have any guts they should face us on a battlefield instead of killing civilians. I would volunteer in a second. That tiny cancerous minority will be dealt with really quick if the world/West kept out of it.

People will say but its all due to them being Shias and you have a problem with them. WRONG. We don't have a problem with Ismailis, Zaydis, our own Shias or Shias not from Iran, Southern Lebanon and Southern Iraq. Talking about the minority in those 3 countries that I described and their characteristics. Why? Because they do not cause any problems. Never seen any hostility towards say Azerbaijanis who are at least 70% Shia for instance. This in fact has little to do with sect at its core.
 
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Not too long ago you were calling Sunni Islam a poison and Shia's a superior sect and now you are doing a 360 turn. Are all Shia's like this? Do you all go from die-hard Muslims to Secularist apostates in the flick of the wrist?

I've never been Shia and my comment about Sunni Islam was solely about the political side of it which indeed has problems. I favored secular leaders ever since I came here.

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As for Haidar Sumeri, I don't follow his posts blindly. His useful posts are often translated shortcuts from Arabic sources.
 
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