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Saudi Arabia to execute three prominent moderate scholars after Ramadan

Yes unfortunately it may happen, I don't think MBS is fond of people who don't tow his line.

You may be right , sadly most people will just move on with their lives. Scholars aren't perfect, especially these older ones who worked with two very different eras. The 80s/90s and now the 21st century. They were mislead by their governments who then requested a sudden change of direction/tone so the scholars don't know what to do anymore. They are just going to preach in a manner that satisfies the governments. And you can't judge them, it's either that or jail.

Either way, Allah's judgement is on happening and more of it is on the way as so many things are going wrong in this Ummah today that all those who were granted influence are equally responsible for. Scholars are partially responsible as well. As well as media organizations, musicians, popular artists, actors, ministers, etc.... All those people who had a large role over society and could change the direction of things are going to be punished by Allah(SWT). The biggest ones being the rulers. Those good Muslims who were sidelined and not given a voice, or decided to stay out of the whole societal degradation, they will have their time to help get this thing back on track.

The Islamist parties agenda and political tactics baffle me. They claim to hate the west and it's values but do everything that benefits the western political ambitions.

The west wanted the war in Libya and wanted Gaddafi removed and most of the propaganda done against Gaddafi and for the war was done by the islamist. Once the attacks started then they knew the war has started so they started to say "West leave our countries alone".
The same was done in Iraq. Saddam was poison to them and once the war started and he was removed then they started to publish "leave our Muslim nations" "War for oil".
The exact same was done for Syria. They declared Bashar Al Assad as non Muslim and wanted Muslim to fight jihad.

They are either naive or traitors. Their supporters are good people, I met them but I think their higher up misguide them.

They tried to do the same with Pakistan when musharaff was in power. Said Musharaff is sellout. Musharaff will sell our nuclear weapons, army is sell out etc. But no major jihad happened so they went quiet after major campaigns and propaganda failed.

Since the Qatar and Saudi divorce I've witness and surprisingly they have gone against Saudi Arabia. A lot of articles and propaganda is published against Saudi Arabia and am sure this must upset Saudi a lot and they are going after them.

I don't see things improving unless Saudi and Qatar make up, the unfortunate killings will continue.

What baffles me the most is how can they use religion to justify all this. This is why I see a big difference between a person who is a Muslim and a politician and a person who is an Islamist. One is just a Muslim and he wants to do politics but the other does politics using Islam as a tool. What ever he/she says and does is legitimate Islamic cause, anybody who opposes them is opposing Islam.

I fully oppose the death sentence against these scholars. Be it they salafis or MB. The Saudi royals are panacking and have gone on a mad killing mode.

The Iraq war had nothing to do with Islamists, it was a Gulf war, Saddam saw Kuwait as disputed territory. Syria was always known for its hardline dictatorship, it just wasn't covered much in the news, but people were suffering before the revolution. As for opposing the West, there is no reason to, it's not a West vs. East thing. The East is worse is many ways than the West. In more ways too. The West doesn't know to work with Arab culture well, so they develop ties with those they think can manage the situation(like dictators). If there was an alternative Islamic leadership that can manage the affairs in the ME without it plummeting into chaos, I believe the West wouldn't have a problem with that.

All Muslims are guilty of seeing the West as the culprit for situation in the region, but nowadays they are getting back to being rational. Some nations in the West(a minority) have harsh/hostile policies or approach to people of the ME and seek to be dominant over them which is not good but they only make minority of the West. You can call out certain nations in the West without being anti-West.

Anyhow , it requires time for the ME to evolve and down the road we will see peoples sacrifices pay off.
 
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I don't have issues with Shia but I don't believe him, for me is a Shia hiding his background. Which is why he has these strange views. Supposedly a pan-Muslim guy but demonizes two already demonized scholars/activists in the US that are born in the US and don't know anything about the MB.

And he's making up a lot of stuff. Smearing CAIR, which is a support group for American Muslims and works to protect their civil rights. They are involved in nothing else. What is this guy on?

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PS: Related to topic, I would be shocked if Saudi Arabia carried out the executions. Btw, people here falsely claim they are MB scholars, they are actually Salafi clerics. One of them made mistake of urging reconciliation between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
I watch sometime aljazeera , it seems they are not going to bend down any soon. present qatari govt is extremely anti rest gcc, specially recently launch a series about threat to journalist in america and canada from saudi govt.
 
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I watch sometime aljazeera , it seems they are not going to bend down any soon. present qatari govt is extremely anti rest gcc, specially recently launch a series about threat to journalist in america and canada from saudi govt.

Al Jazeera will be on it for a long time if it happens.
 
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You may be right , sadly most people will just move on with their lives. Scholars aren't perfect, especially these older ones who worked with two very different eras. The 80s/90s and now the 21st century. They were mislead by their governments who then requested a sudden change of direction/tone so the scholars don't know what to do anymore. They are just going to preach in a manner that satisfies the governments. And you can't judge them, it's either that or jail.

Either way, Allah's judgement is on happening and more of it is on the way as so many things are going wrong in this Ummah today that all those who were granted influence are equally responsible for. Scholars are partially responsible as well. As well as media organizations, musicians, popular artists, actors, ministers, etc.... All those people who had a large role over society and could change the direction of things are going to be punished by Allah(SWT). The biggest ones being the rulers. Those good Muslims who were sidelined and not given a voice, or decided to stay out of the whole societal degradation, they will have their time to help get this thing back on track.



The Iraq war had nothing to do with Islamists, it was a Gulf war, Saddam saw Kuwait as disputed territory. Syria was always known for its hardline dictatorship, it just wasn't covered much in the news, but people were suffering before the revolution. As for opposing the West, there is no reason to, it's not a West vs. East thing. The East is worse is many ways than the West. In more ways too. The West doesn't know to work with Arab culture well, so they develop ties with those they think can manage the situation(like dictators). If there was an alternative Islamic leadership that can manage the affairs in the ME without it plummeting into chaos, I believe the West wouldn't have a problem with that.

All Muslims are guilty of seeing the West as the culprit for situation in the region, but nowadays they are getting back to being rational. Some nations in the West(a minority) have harsh/hostile policies or approach to people of the ME and seek to be dominant over them which is not good but they only make minority of the West. You can call out certain nations in the West without being anti-West.

Anyhow , it requires time for the ME to evolve and down the road we will see peoples sacrifices pay off.


Thank you for the explanations bro.
 
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Published date: 21 May 2019 14:19 UTC|Last update: 2 days 7 hours ago

Three prominent moderate Saudi Sunni scholars held on multiple charges of “terrorism” will be sentenced to death and executed shortly after Ramadan, two government sources and one of the men’s relatives have told Middle East Eye.

The most prominent of these is Sheikh Salman al-Odah, an internationally renowned scholar known for his comparatively progressive views in the Islamic world on Sharia and homosexuality.

Odah was arrested in September 2017 shortly after tweeting a prayer for reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and its Gulf neighbour Qatar, three months after Riyadh launched a blockade on the emirate.

The other two slated for execution are Awad al-Qarni, a Sunni preacher, academic and author, and Ali al-Omari, a popular broadcaster. They too were arrested in September 2017.

'They will not wait to execute these men once the death sentence has been passed'

- Saudi governmental source

All three had massive followings online. Odah's Arabic Twitter account boasts 13.4 million followers alone, and the hashtag #freesalmanalodah emerged after his arrest. Omari’s TV station “For Youth” also had a huge audience.

Two Saudi government sources independently confirmed the plan to execute the three men, who are currently awaiting trial at the Criminal Special Court in Riyadh. A hearing was set for 1 May, but was postponed without setting a further date.

One source told MEE: “They will not wait to execute these men once the death sentence has been passed.”

A second Saudi government source said the execution of 37 Saudis, mostly Shia activists, on terrorism changes in April was used as a trial balloon to see how strong the international condemnation was.

saudi_cleric_factfiles.jpg

“When they found out there was very little international reaction, particularly at the level of governments and heads of state, they decided to proceed with their plan to execute figures who were prominent,” said the source, who like the first spoke on condition of anonymity.

The timing of the executions will also be dictated by the current rise in tensions between the United States and Iran.

“They are encouraged to do it, especially with the tension in the Gulf at the moment. Washington wants to please the Saudis at the moment. The [Saudi] government calculates that this enables them to get away with this,” the first source said.

Who are the three scholars Saudi Arabia will execute after Ramadan?
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A member of one of the scholars’ families told MEE: “The executions, if they go ahead, would be very serious, and could present a dangerous tipping point.”

Middle East Eye has approached the Saudi authorities for comment.

Provoking condemnation
The detention of the three scholars has already provoked the condemnation of the United Nations and the US State Department, as well as rights groups Human Rights Watch (HRW), Reprieve and Amnesty International.

In September, a year after his arrest, Odah appeared at a closed hearing of the Special Criminal Court, a tribunal set up by the interior ministry to try cases of terrorism. Odah was then accused by the special prosecutor of 37 charges of terrorism.

These included alleged affiliation to “terrorist organisations”, which the prosecution named as the Muslim Brotherhood and the European Council for Fatwa and Research, two prominent international Islamic organisations.

'Odah will be executed not because he is an extremist. It’s because he is a moderate. That is why they consider him a threat'

- Jamal Khashoggi

A second set of charges accused him of exposing “injustices towards prisoners” and of “expressing cynicism and sarcasm about the government’s achievements”.

The third set of charges alleged an affiliation with the Qatari royal family and cited Odah’s public unwillingness to support the Saudi-led boycott on the peninsula emirate.

Two days before his own brutal murder at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi told friends in London that these 37 charges revealed everything they needed to know about the rule of law in the kingdom under its de facto ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

“He will crush dissent at all cost. These charges must be publicised,” Khashoggi said at the time. “Odah will be executed not because he is an extremist. It’s because he is a moderate. That is why they consider him a threat.”

Reacting to Middle East Eye's report, HRW's Middle East director Sarah Leah Whitson said: "Any further executions of political dissidents is a direct consequence of the Trump administration’s enabling environment, and its repeated, public vice-signalling: no matter what heinous abuse you commit against your people, we’ve got your back."

Blindfolds and shackles: What 'gardening leave' meant for arrested Saudi scholar
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In January last year, a UN panel of experts, part of the Human Rights Council, accused Riyadh of ignoring repeated calls to halt violations as it arrested religious figures, writers, journalists and activists “in a worrying pattern of widespread and systematic arbitrary arrests and detention”.

The panel of experts said: “We are also seeking the government’s clarification about how these measures are compatible with Saudi Arabia’s obligations under international human rights law, as well as with the voluntary pledges and commitments it made when seeking to join the Human Rights Council.

“Despite being elected as member of the Human Rights Council at the end of 2016, Saudi Arabia has continued its practice of silencing, arbitrarily arresting, detaining and persecuting human rights defenders and critics.”

The US State Department also cited the trial of Odah and the two other scholars in an annual report on human rights earlier this year.

"The public prosecutor brought 37 charges against [Odah], the vast majority of which alleged ties with the Muslim Brotherhood and Qatari government, in addition to his public support for imprisoned dissidents," the report said.

"None referred to specific acts of violence or incitement to acts of violence, according to a HRW statement on 12 September.”

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...ree-prominent-moderate-scholars-after-ramadan
 
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The son of Salman should also get beheaded for killing countless of princes.
 
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Published date: 21 May 2019 14:19 UTC|Last update: 2 days 7 hours ago

Three prominent moderate Saudi Sunni scholars held on multiple charges of “terrorism” will be sentenced to death and executed shortly after Ramadan, two government sources and one of the men’s relatives have told Middle East Eye.

The most prominent of these is Sheikh Salman al-Odah, an internationally renowned scholar known for his comparatively progressive views in the Islamic world on Sharia and homosexuality.

Odah was arrested in September 2017 shortly after tweeting a prayer for reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and its Gulf neighbour Qatar, three months after Riyadh launched a blockade on the emirate.

The other two slated for execution are Awad al-Qarni, a Sunni preacher, academic and author, and Ali al-Omari, a popular broadcaster. They too were arrested in September 2017.

'They will not wait to execute these men once the death sentence has been passed'

- Saudi governmental source

All three had massive followings online. Odah's Arabic Twitter account boasts 13.4 million followers alone, and the hashtag #freesalmanalodah emerged after his arrest. Omari’s TV station “For Youth” also had a huge audience.

Two Saudi government sources independently confirmed the plan to execute the three men, who are currently awaiting trial at the Criminal Special Court in Riyadh. A hearing was set for 1 May, but was postponed without setting a further date.

One source told MEE: “They will not wait to execute these men once the death sentence has been passed.”

A second Saudi government source said the execution of 37 Saudis, mostly Shia activists, on terrorism changes in April was used as a trial balloon to see how strong the international condemnation was.

saudi_cleric_factfiles.jpg

“When they found out there was very little international reaction, particularly at the level of governments and heads of state, they decided to proceed with their plan to execute figures who were prominent,” said the source, who like the first spoke on condition of anonymity.

The timing of the executions will also be dictated by the current rise in tensions between the United States and Iran.

“They are encouraged to do it, especially with the tension in the Gulf at the moment. Washington wants to please the Saudis at the moment. The [Saudi] government calculates that this enables them to get away with this,” the first source said.

Who are the three scholars Saudi Arabia will execute after Ramadan?
Read More »
A member of one of the scholars’ families told MEE: “The executions, if they go ahead, would be very serious, and could present a dangerous tipping point.”

Middle East Eye has approached the Saudi authorities for comment.

Provoking condemnation
The detention of the three scholars has already provoked the condemnation of the United Nations and the US State Department, as well as rights groups Human Rights Watch (HRW), Reprieve and Amnesty International.

In September, a year after his arrest, Odah appeared at a closed hearing of the Special Criminal Court, a tribunal set up by the interior ministry to try cases of terrorism. Odah was then accused by the special prosecutor of 37 charges of terrorism.

These included alleged affiliation to “terrorist organisations”, which the prosecution named as the Muslim Brotherhood and the European Council for Fatwa and Research, two prominent international Islamic organisations.

'Odah will be executed not because he is an extremist. It’s because he is a moderate. That is why they consider him a threat'

- Jamal Khashoggi

A second set of charges accused him of exposing “injustices towards prisoners” and of “expressing cynicism and sarcasm about the government’s achievements”.

The third set of charges alleged an affiliation with the Qatari royal family and cited Odah’s public unwillingness to support the Saudi-led boycott on the peninsula emirate.

Two days before his own brutal murder at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi told friends in London that these 37 charges revealed everything they needed to know about the rule of law in the kingdom under its de facto ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

“He will crush dissent at all cost. These charges must be publicised,” Khashoggi said at the time. “Odah will be executed not because he is an extremist. It’s because he is a moderate. That is why they consider him a threat.”

Reacting to Middle East Eye's report, HRW's Middle East director Sarah Leah Whitson said: "Any further executions of political dissidents is a direct consequence of the Trump administration’s enabling environment, and its repeated, public vice-signalling: no matter what heinous abuse you commit against your people, we’ve got your back."

Blindfolds and shackles: What 'gardening leave' meant for arrested Saudi scholar
Read More »
In January last year, a UN panel of experts, part of the Human Rights Council, accused Riyadh of ignoring repeated calls to halt violations as it arrested religious figures, writers, journalists and activists “in a worrying pattern of widespread and systematic arbitrary arrests and detention”.

The panel of experts said: “We are also seeking the government’s clarification about how these measures are compatible with Saudi Arabia’s obligations under international human rights law, as well as with the voluntary pledges and commitments it made when seeking to join the Human Rights Council.

“Despite being elected as member of the Human Rights Council at the end of 2016, Saudi Arabia has continued its practice of silencing, arbitrarily arresting, detaining and persecuting human rights defenders and critics.”

The US State Department also cited the trial of Odah and the two other scholars in an annual report on human rights earlier this year.

"The public prosecutor brought 37 charges against [Odah], the vast majority of which alleged ties with the Muslim Brotherhood and Qatari government, in addition to his public support for imprisoned dissidents," the report said.

"None referred to specific acts of violence or incitement to acts of violence, according to a HRW statement on 12 September.”

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...ree-prominent-moderate-scholars-after-ramadan
So these are "TV scholars"? We got plenty too and they do everything from answering questions from general public to predicting crap!


And there is a thread opened...Why didnt you continue there?
 
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So these are "TV scholars"? We got plenty too and they do everything from answering questions from general public to predicting crap!


And there is a thread opened...Why didnt you continue there?
Killing people for their opinions is too bad. We have ahzab and Shoura in Islam and one Surah in Quran is called Ahzab. Thank God we have parliament in Iran and their members choose by people’s direct vote without any discrimination.

In Iran in our websites & forums we have hundreds of different opinions and no one get killed or tracked by regime because of his opinion unless insulting to religion in large.

We have even clerics in Iran who are against Islamic Republic and they have websites, broadcast center and medias.

I didn’t see that thread and anyways the news is updated two days ago.
 
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Killing people for their opinions is too bad.
Like Iran has never done it :rolleyes:



I didn’t see that thread and anyways the news is updated two days ago.
Child you have been on this forum for 4 yrs and you are oblivious to how when you type title, you are shown options of similar (based on word similarities) threads or if you have missed that, at the bottom of your own thread you will see "SIMILAR THREADS" ...how did you miss that?

Considering you miss the obvious, how serious can we take you?

We have ahzab and Shoura in Islam and one Surah in Quran is called Ahzab. Thank God we have parliament in Iran and their members choose by people’s direct vote without any discrimination.
Who are you lying to? Even first world countries dont over-brag!
 
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Calling another person liar is a piteous insult.

Giving plenty of negative ratings just for criticizing saudi regime (called country after their clan) is an immature act.

I hope you change your method as a mod.

PS. Since you are my brother (as a Muslim) I apologize for calling you hateful and wish you happy Ramadan.

To be honest I don’t care much about your negative rating but if it is possible remove some of them :D
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Have you consulted a doctor abt this?
 
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Calling another person liar is a piteous insult.
I didnt call you a liar (mr. overly wanna be pious) ...it is a phrase commonly used in English!

Giving plenty of negative ratings just for criticizing saudi regime (called country after their clan) is an immature act.
A country can be called whatever it wants to be called....how is that hurting you?

I didnt give you any rating!

PS. Since you are my brother (as a Muslim) I apologize for calling you hateful and wish you happy Ramadan.
Ramadan Mubarak!
 
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I didnt call you a liar (mr. overly wanna be pious) ...it is a phrase commonly used in English!


A country can be called whatever it wants to be called....how is that hurting you?

I didnt give you any rating!


Ramadan Mubarak!
Man you gave me 3 negative ratings in past if I’m not wrong..

Anyway Happy Ramanan and best wishes...

May Allah increase our Eman in this month as much as possible.

I always try to say the truth even if I sometimes overestimate or underestimate. Lying as great sin I never try to unclean my soul with it.
 
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