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Saudi Arabia set to execute 150 people for second year in row
Kingdom uses secret courts to impose death penalties on drug offenders, juveniles and political prisoners, says human rights group Reprieve



The Saudi foreign minister, Adel al-Jubeir (left), photographed with the US secretary of state, John Kerry, rebutted reports the US is scaling back its arms support. Photograph: Fayez Nureldine/AFP/Getty Images
Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor

Sunday 18 December 2016 13.37 ESTLast modified on Sunday 18 December 2016 19.10 EST

Saudi Arabia is on course to execute 150 people or more, for a second consecutive year, becoming one of the most frequent users of state executions to carry out judicial sentences, figures compiled by the human rights group Reprieve show.

The group also claims its figures show the kingdom is increasingly using secret courts to impose the death penalty on drug offenders, juveniles and political prisoners.

Many Gulf states use the death penalty and there is concern that executions are becoming the “new normal”. The Reprieve figures show 150 people have been executed this year, close to the 2015 high of 158, and way above the 2014 figures of 87.

Reprieve also suggested that although Saudi Arabia was the Gulf state most likely to use the death penalty, other states such as Kuwait were lowering the age at which the death penalty can be used.

Reprieve also finds that a large number of those killed were “state security” cases, involving people tried in secret courts – this includes political dissidents, and people who were tortured into “confessions”.
Many of those executed were arrested for drug offences, including quite a few foreign nationals, some of whom could well have been trafficking victims.

In January Saudi Arabia executed 47 people all in one day.

The numbers include juveniles – raising fears for those children who remain on death row, including Ali al-Nimr, Dawood al-Marhoon and Abdullah al-Zaher, who were arrested in relation to protests. Al-Mahroon was arrested aged 17 in 2002. Ali al-Nimr will turn 22 next week.

David Cameron, the former British prime minister, publicly called on the Saudi authorities to halt the planned executions of Ali, Dawood and Abdullah last year, and Reprieve understands that the UK foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, raised the cases with his Saudi counterpart as recently as September.

But Reprieve argues the UK should not just be focussing on seeking assurances that the death sentences will not be carried out, but in asking Saudi Arabia to commute the sentences and release the juveniles.

It claimed Dawood al-Marhoon was being seriously mistreated in a death-row prison, adding “we have had reports that he has been beaten and threatened with solitary confinement as payback, after he complained about a previous instance of abuse. It’s also emerged his health and that of other juveniles is suffering in prison. For example, the jail is reportedly ignoring a doctors’ advice on the food that should be given to juvenile prisoners.

Over two-thirds of all countries have now abolished the death penalty in law or practice. In the US, 18 states plus the District of Columbia have abolished it, and seven more have not carried out an execution in at least 10 years.

Nevertheless, 2015 saw a large increase in the use of the death penalty worldwide. At least 1,634 people were executed, a rise of more than 50% from the previous year and the highest number
Amnesty International has recorded since 1989. This total does not include China where thousands more are likely to have been executed, but the relevant data is treated as a state secret.

The Reprieve research was published as the British foreign office minister Tobias Ellwood along with the US secretary of state, John Kerry, met Saudi King Salman and crown prince Mohammed bin Nayef in Riyadh to discuss peace efforts in Yemen.

They were joined by leaders from Oman and the United Arab Emirates, and discussion focussed on the humanitarian crisis in Yemen, as well as efforts to restart the UN-led peace process.


Saudi foreign minister Adel al-Jubeir speaking at a joint news conference denied reports the US was scaling back its arms support to Saudi Arabia in protest at the conduct of its air campaign in Yemen.

Jubeir said: “This news that has been leaked contradicts reality. The reality is that converting regular bombs to smart bombs would be welcome because smart bombs are more accurate.” There were also reports that the US was scaling back its intelligence cooperation, but Kerry gave no hint of disapproval of the Saudis in his remarks.

The war in Yemen has also allowed extremist groups to flourish , as the local affiliate of the Islamic State group claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing on Sunday in the southern port city of Aden that killed at least 49 soldiers lined-up to receive their pay.

Kerry’s visit to Saudi Arabia is probably his last before a new administration led by President Donald Trump takes office.
 
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Many of those executed were arrested for drug offences, including quite a few foreign nationals, some of whom could well have been trafficking victims.

Disturbing and despicable.. These people didn't elect to be governed by Saudi rules.
 
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and we did not elect to be lectured by anybody.

i could not carry more than $20 in my pocket in the US but people used to leave 50,000 Riyals in unlocked cars in Riyadh.

our women are also respected instead of being objectified, denuded, and ogled at all the time.

our children can be safely sent to school and play outside without us worrying they will go on drugs or come home pregnant at the age of 14.
 
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and we did not elect to be lectured by anybody.

i could not carry more than $20 in my pocket in the US but people used to leave 50,000 Riyals in unlocked cars in Riyadh.

our women are also respected instead of being objectified, denuded, and ogled at all the time.

our children can be safely sent to school and play outside without us worrying they will go on drugs or come home pregnant at the age of 14.
Rightly put sir. Americans dont have logical authority to interfere in internal matters of sovereign states.
 
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Rightly put sir. Americans dont have logical authority to interfere in internal matters of sovereign states.

Who is interfering? I have the right to express my opinion, you have the right to ignore me.

and we did not elect to be lectured by anybody.

i could not carry more than $20 in my pocket in the US but people used to leave 50,000 Riyals in unlocked cars in Riyadh.

our women are also respected instead of being objectified, denuded, and ogled at all the time.

our children can be safely sent to school and play outside without us worrying they will go on drugs or come home pregnant at the age of 14.

How do you feel about the below paragraph quoted from Wiki

The sentences for rape cases are also extremely unbalanced in Saudi Arabia. In one example from February 2013, a Saudi preacher raped, tortured and murdered his 5-year-old daughter. He was sentenced to eight years in prison, 800 lashes, and a fine of one million riyals ($270,000 USD) to be paid to the girl's mother, his ex-wife.[6] Contrasted with this is the case of two Pakistani citizens who were beheaded by the state after being convicted of a rape.[7]
 
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Who is interfering? I have the right to express my opinion, you have the right to ignore me.



How do you feel about the below paragraph quoted from Wiki

The sentences for rape cases are also extremely unbalanced in Saudi Arabia. In one example from February 2013, a Saudi preacher raped, tortured and murdered his 5-year-old daughter. He was sentenced to eight years in prison, 800 lashes, and a fine of one million riyals ($270,000 USD) to be paid to the girl's mother, his ex-wife.[6] Contrasted with this is the case of two Pakistani citizens who were beheaded by the state after being convicted of a rape.[7]


british put them in power.
 
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Who is interfering? I have the right to express my opinion, you have the right to ignore me.

How do you feel about the below paragraph quoted from Wiki

I do not know the particulars of that case but my own personal opinion is that "diya" should not be enforcable where the forgiver is so closely related to the aggressor or can be coerced. What you call "blood money" is a chance for forgiveness and rapprochement for the living, not what one unfortunate example bandied about the Western media claims.

100 lashes (the penalty for "zina", adultery by unmarried people - stoning is the punishment for adultery by married people) properly applied is sometimes enough to kill a person. "Zina bil Jabr" or rape specially when resulting in the killing of the victim is justifiably punished by death.

Saudi Arabia was very wild before the House of Saud came to power. They brought rule by rooting out all the robber gangs who preyed on the weak travelers through military pursuit and summary executions. These days, they execute drug smugglers. Both punishments are themselves not prescribed by scripture but are emergency temporary judgments that are allowed to the state. The case you mention can still be re-tried and the person executed to make an example to others, if the state decides it will stop greater evil in the future.

I know I was and will remain a 2nd class resident to many Saudis and will be discriminated against (specially by the police) on the basis of my nationality but these occasional inconveniences stop at the mosque door.This is the only weakness I find in part of the nation.

I am treated worse in most of the American Deep South but the rest of the country is mostly very egalitarian. Then, if I go to the capital of the province of my domicile (birth) in Pakistan, many people once they realize my Brahmin-Semitic lineage and lack of prowess over the local language (despite an excellent accent) completely change. Punjabi there is a dirty pejorative insult worse than calling someone a dog or a pig. Also, there is great monetary corruption and people spill the blood of their own at the drop of a hat.

However, there are levels of corruption and Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the least corrupt of all nations (despite the occasional and sometimes systemic prejudice towards expat workers - but remember if we Pakistanis and Americans had that type of money, we would treat even our own poor worse than dogs, and we do).

There are levels of corruption - I believe the moral corruption of the USA was greater than that of Pakistan which is greater than the Saudis. That is why I, my father, and his children chose not to pursue full US citizenship and have migrated to live where we feel we can raise our children better. You might have a different opinion but this is from our experience and pursuant to our desires. The four points I outlined in my first post are the basis of my own personal decision and I do not speak for anyone else.

In short, I think everyone will be much safer and more content in this life and the hereafter if we follow the Law as given to my grandparent Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him), the scripture as revealed to Moses (Peace Be Upon Him) or subsequent Messengers of Allah (Peace Be Upon Them).

If true scripture were followed in Israel (or the US), I would have no reason not to want to migrate and live there if I were allowed. Also, if I had true freedom of religion and thought in the US, I might have stayed there.

My only request was- I do not choose to think for even my children; I give them access to knowledge and to choose their paths with judgment; I do not choose to think for the Saudis or the Americans or the Israelis or the Indians; I will fight them all if they threaten my family beyond the boundaries set by Abrahamic (& International) Law. So the Western media kindly refrain from thinking or deciding matters for the poor oppressed Saudis and the Third World Brown Man,
 
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OP based on BS, but dumb Zionist is too blinded to know ground realities, besides he does not need much to post baseless crap, it his forte. Thats all he does and has done.

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Who is interfering? I have the right to express my opinion, you have the right to ignore me.



How do you feel about the below paragraph quoted from Wiki

The sentences for rape cases are also extremely unbalanced in Saudi Arabia. In one example from February 2013, a Saudi preacher raped, tortured and murdered his 5-year-old daughter. He was sentenced to eight years in prison, 800 lashes, and a fine of one million riyals ($270,000 USD) to be paid to the girl's mother, his ex-wife.[6] Contrasted with this is the case of two Pakistani citizens who were beheaded by the state after being convicted of a rape.[7]


1) You want me to start on how Christian pastors abuse kids?

2) Every legal case has it's own issues, do not misconstrue things to suit your own agenda..

2) With one of the highest crime rates in the world, you shouldn't be complaining about how other societies successfully make themselves safe. Keep your bigotry and hatred bottled up.

3) You quoted wiki - An encyclopedia that any idiot can edit.

Now that you have shown the world what a fool you are, best to crawl back from where you slithered out.
 
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Now that you have shown the world what a fool you are, best to crawl back from where you slithered out.

At least I was respectful and didn't insult strangers showing my low upbringing like you. Now shoo, no reason to quote me I don't talk to asshats. You have been ignored.

I do not know the particulars of that case but my own personal opinion is that "diya" should not be enforcable where the forgiver is so closely related to the aggressor or can be coerced. What you call "blood money" is a chance for forgiveness and rapprochement for the living, not what one unfortunate example bandied about the Western media claims.

100 lashes (the penalty for "zina", adultery by unmarried people - stoning is the punishment for adultery by married people) properly applied is sometimes enough to kill a person. "Zina bil Jabr" or rape specially when resulting in the killing of the victim is justifiably punished by death.

Saudi Arabia was very wild before the House of Saud came to power. They brought rule by rooting out all the robber gangs who preyed on the weak travelers through military pursuit and summary executions. These days, they execute drug smugglers. Both punishments are themselves not prescribed by scripture but are emergency temporary judgments that are allowed to the state. The case you mention can still be re-tried and the person executed to make an example to others, if the state decides it will stop greater evil in the future.

I know I was and will remain a 2nd class resident to many Saudis and will be discriminated against (specially by the police) on the basis of my nationality but these occasional inconveniences stop at the mosque door.This is the only weakness I find in part of the nation.

I am treated worse in most of the American Deep South but the rest of the country is mostly very egalitarian. Then, if I go to the capital of the province of my domicile (birth) in Pakistan, many people once they realize my Brahmin-Semitic lineage and lack of prowess over the local language (despite an excellent accent) completely change. Punjabi there is a dirty pejorative insult worse than calling someone a dog or a pig. Also, there is great monetary corruption and people spill the blood of their own at the drop of a hat.

However, there are levels of corruption and Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the least corrupt of all nations (despite the occasional and sometimes systemic prejudice towards expat workers - but remember if we Pakistanis and Americans had that type of money, we would treat even our own poor worse than dogs, and we do).

There are levels of corruption - I believe the moral corruption of the USA was greater than that of Pakistan which is greater than the Saudis. That is why I, my father, and his children chose not to pursue full US citizenship and have migrated to live where we feel we can raise our children better. You might have a different opinion but this is from our experience and pursuant to our desires. The four points I outlined in my first post are the basis of my own personal decision and I do not speak for anyone else.

In short, I think everyone will be much safer and more content in this life and the hereafter if we follow the Law as given to my grandparent Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him), the scripture as revealed to Moses (Peace Be Upon Him) or subsequent Messengers of Allah (Peace Be Upon Them).

If true scripture were followed in Israel (or the US), I would have no reason not to want to migrate and live there if I were allowed. Also, if I had true freedom of religion and thought in the US, I might have stayed there.

My only request was- I do not choose to think for even my children; I give them access to knowledge and to choose their paths with judgment; I do not choose to think for the Saudis or the Americans or the Israelis or the Indians; I will fight them all if they threaten my family beyond the boundaries set by Abrahamic (& International) Law. So the Western media kindly refrain from thinking or deciding matters for the poor oppressed Saudis and the Third World Brown Man,

Thank you, this was well articulated. Wish you and your family the best for the future.
 
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and we did not elect to be lectured by anybody.

i could not carry more than $20 in my pocket in the US but people used to leave 50,000 Riyals in unlocked cars in Riyadh.

our women are also respected instead of being objectified, denuded, and ogled at all the time.

our children can be safely sent to school and play outside without us worrying they will go on drugs or come home pregnant at the age of 14.
ooo come on....what a emotional comparison ....After all west has morality that s why they are super power, after 911 muslims still living in peace and every year mosques are adding up with the permission of white christian govt.
 
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At least I was respectful and didn't insult strangers showing my low upbringing like you. Now shoo, no reason to quote me I don't talk to asshats. You have been ignored.
If you don't want to be insulted then don't spew your bigoted crap, which have no connection to ground realities.

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@Saif al-Arab @alarabi @Valar Dohaeris @Full Moon

@H!TchHiker @The Sandman @Doordie @SherDil007 @Indus Falcon


Your comments on this thread would be appreciated.
 
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I do not know the particulars of that case but my own personal opinion is that "diya" should not be enforcable where the forgiver is so closely related to the aggressor or can be coerced. What you call "blood money" is a chance for forgiveness and rapprochement for the living, not what one unfortunate example bandied about the Western media claims.

100 lashes (the penalty for "zina", adultery by unmarried people - stoning is the punishment for adultery by married people) properly applied is sometimes enough to kill a person. "Zina bil Jabr" or rape specially when resulting in the killing of the victim is justifiably punished by death.

Saudi Arabia was very wild before the House of Saud came to power. They brought rule by rooting out all the robber gangs who preyed on the weak travelers through military pursuit and summary executions. These days, they execute drug smugglers. Both punishments are themselves not prescribed by scripture but are emergency temporary judgments that are allowed to the state. The case you mention can still be re-tried and the person executed to make an example to others, if the state decides it will stop greater evil in the future.

I know I was and will remain a 2nd class resident to many Saudis and will be discriminated against (specially by the police) on the basis of my nationality but these occasional inconveniences stop at the mosque door.This is the only weakness I find in part of the nation.

I am treated worse in most of the American Deep South but the rest of the country is mostly very egalitarian. Then, if I go to the capital of the province of my domicile (birth) in Pakistan, many people once they realize my Brahmin-Semitic lineage and lack of prowess over the local language (despite an excellent accent) completely change. Punjabi there is a dirty pejorative insult worse than calling someone a dog or a pig. Also, there is great monetary corruption and people spill the blood of their own at the drop of a hat.

However, there are levels of corruption and Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the least corrupt of all nations (despite the occasional and sometimes systemic prejudice towards expat workers - but remember if we Pakistanis and Americans had that type of money, we would treat even our own poor worse than dogs, and we do).

There are levels of corruption - I believe the moral corruption of the USA was greater than that of Pakistan which is greater than the Saudis. That is why I, my father, and his children chose not to pursue full US citizenship and have migrated to live where we feel we can raise our children better. You might have a different opinion but this is from our experience and pursuant to our desires. The four points I outlined in my first post are the basis of my own personal decision and I do not speak for anyone else.

In short, I think everyone will be much safer and more content in this life and the hereafter if we follow the Law as given to my grandparent Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him), the scripture as revealed to Moses (Peace Be Upon Him) or subsequent Messengers of Allah (Peace Be Upon Them).

If true scripture were followed in Israel (or the US), I would have no reason not to want to migrate and live there if I were allowed. Also, if I had true freedom of religion and thought in the US, I might have stayed there.

My only request was- I do not choose to think for even my children; I give them access to knowledge and to choose their paths with judgment; I do not choose to think for the Saudis or the Americans or the Israelis or the Indians; I will fight them all if they threaten my family beyond the boundaries set by Abrahamic (& International) Law. So the Western media kindly refrain from thinking or deciding matters for the poor oppressed Saudis and the Third World Brown Man,

Sir, you have described it excellently. The problem with the most of generation of our time is that their thinking and judging ability has been hijacked by western media which is based on the sole purpose of protecting corporate interest and bringing hate and despair among common Muslims regarding their govts and future.

Saudia is a state and just like any other state their are good and bad attributes associated with it. Quoting two instance and comparing them without mentioning their complete legal details only to judge a complete criminal justice of the land is nothing but propaganda. Specially when it is done by people from the country which itself is responsible for the mass crimes against Humanity, specially against Muslims. And, nowhere they mention the positive outcome of imposing these laws, as Saudia has one of the least crime rate on earth.

West should stop telling us that how should we live our lives and how should we punish criminals.

1) You want me to start on how Christian pastors abuse kids?

2) Every legal case has it's own issues, do not misconstrue things to suit your own agenda..

2) With one of the highest crime rates in the world, you shouldn't be complaining about how other societies successfully make themselves safe. Keep your bigotry and hatred bottled up.

3) You quoted wiki - An encyclopedia that any idiot can edit.

Now that you have shown the world what a fool you are, best to crawl back from where you slithered out.

Exactly sir, the case of Saudi citizen is different. He was not a recognized as cleric by the govt it is the media who declared him as a preacher. There may be further details involved with the case. Also, I seriously doubt that the man will withstand even 50 lashes. While the case of drug trafficking is different and both have nothing in common to be compared.

I have my difference regarding Saudis treatment of the expatriates, but still, as mentioned by Sir @Naif al Hilali , Saudia is much better and much safer than any other countries for Muslim expatriates specially when majority of them is not very well educated and consists poor labor class.
 
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Western media knows how to play the "moral demonizing" game. Western Governments don't really care about who gets executed and who doesn't. The US government for example sends its drones to Pakistan to test the new killing technology of drones on women and children (among others) The media doesn't give this the apprehension it should give. Instead, they focus on who gets executed for murdering other innocent people or trafficking drugs in big quantities. This creation of "moral superiority" for themselves and "moral inferiority" for other nations is intentionally made to be used in the right time when an intervention is needed (politically or militarily).
 
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